2009.12.11 Discuss Motions hearing. One year to the day Caylee Found #1

[2goldfish]

uhm...anyone...was caylee right handed? or too young to tell? (to this day I havent watched her videos except from the memorial, I cant handle knowing she is gone and seeing her alive. emo I know but that's me)

 

[mommaearth]

uhm...anyone...was caylee right handed? or too young to tell? (to this day I havent watched her videos except from the memorial, I cant handle knowing she is gone and seeing her alive. emo I know but that's me)

There is a video of her coloring. http://video.aol.com/video-detail/caylee-coloring/231684772?flv=1

I hate watching this video it makes me sick how creepy and cold she is.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Amil;4550537]When the hearing was over and KC was being taken away she did turn to wave or say goodbye to her parents this time. And I forgot, but during the hearing Cindy wrote a note to KC and passed it forward and KC received it from Baez. At that point I wanted to write her a note and pass it to her too, but held back.
I did stop the cute guy from Nancy Grace on the sidewalk and said "the Anthony's had 3 carseats, how do we know that the one they gave the police is the one they should have?" He said, " I don't know".[/

That is a great question and hope it gets answered. I to would like to know more about the 3 car seats. I also would like to know if the other Anthony cars were investigated. Very good question indeed!

 

[essies]

The A's leaving the courtroom after the hearing...

http://www.wftv.com/video/21930839/index.html

I think reality has finally hit!! This is just a small foretaste of the trial to come and CA doesn't look like she's handling it too well. I also see JW there shielding her along with the woman who met them when they returned from their cruise!!

 

[Crabcake23]

I do believe it was similar. Grief and anxiety/panic (which appears to me to have been Casey's reaction) look different, IMO. Grief is related to sadness; while anxiety/panic have more to do with fear.

Agreed. Grief would be fall to the floor, hysterically crying. That would have been me, for sure. Anxiety/panic is more like take a seat, try to control yourself, ask for a sedative. Her reaction a year ago said a lot.

 

[The World According]

The A's leaving the courtroom after the hearing...

http://www.wftv.com/video/21930839/index.html

Why is Joy, if that is her, part of that inner circle? Dear God! She wants to be.

Baez is to be on JVM tonight I saw somewhere. Tony's lawyer was just on True TV saying that Tony was partially deposed and that the defense wants to likely use him for mitigating factors in the penalty phase if she is found guilty since he never saw her abuse her daughter and she appeared to be good to Caylee. Whoa.....

Does anyone have a copy of that depo transcript or has it never been released?

 

[Searchfortruth]

The lady in the blue top looked like the same woman that met the A's after their cruise. I also thought I saw Joy W there today, anyone else think it was her ?

Uh oh Essie, didn't see your post above...

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Something wicked. We should start a thread and I'll pass it forward next time. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. (Do you think Cindy is the only one who has note passing privileges?)

I'd only fantasize about that, if I were you. If any courtroom observer passed a note that got KC riled up or upset, the baliff would be instructed to bounce that person from the courtroom. I would hate to see you in that situation.....

I like your eyewitness accounts and appreciate the time you have taken to be there, so please be careful.

 

[kaRN]

I'm in canada and can watch every live channel (wftv, wesh, fox)

I don't believe it's because you're in canada.

I'm in the wrong part of Canada maybe LOL! I get the ones you mentioned etc but do get an error message from CNN, NBC, etc re the IP address. Maybe it's a Rogers thing. Good to see you!! Hope you're staying warm!

 

[JBean]

you guys I am at the office and cannot join you for this lively thread.
However, I will review it later so please make sure you are following TOS. I have had a few alerts and I need you all to self edit if you think you should. I know this a passionate thread but just make sure there is no bickering or other carp that detracts from the real issues here.
Thanks for your coop and am anxious to find out what happened today.

 

[seagull65]

I'm certainly no body language expert, but Casey's body language while JA was talking really shook me to the core. Not just looking angry and defiant- which she definitely did, but her hiding behind her arm and her head sinking while JA was describing it. It didn't look, to me, like head in hands sobbing grief- it looked like..."Shield me from having to relieve what I've done".

I've said time and time again that I am keeping an open mind about this case- and I am. I understand that the defense is doing their job, I get why they're trying to get the death penalty off the table, and I'm not 100% confident in the state's case. I also agree with the poster who said that JA is speculating about how Caylee died, at this point.


But nothing can convince me, on a personal level, that Casey's actions today did not not look like one of a GUILTY person being confronted with her actions.

I think that Casey is used to having control and calling the shots, and being to talk her way out of everything. I think that this is the first time that she KNOWS that others KNOW at least a small PIECE of what happened, and there is no way out.

the arm over the face, the sinkng down and crying, not looking anyone in the eye, hiding- I work with kids, and this is how they often react when they get caught doing something they shouldn't. Hide their face with their arms (not even hands! Their arms, just like that...) and cry. They refuse to look at me, because they are ashamed, and know they have been caught.
I feel really weird today.

eta: of course, this is just a personal opinion.

bold by me

I work with children too, and am also a mother, and I would be very concerned if a child put their arms up for protection like that when I asked them about something. That's a very scared child. What could they be doing that's so bad they would cry when caught? Is this in a school?

Oh, we probably mean different things. You mean, just like half-turning away, an evasive kind of look?

 

[Boston]

I agreed with the defense about the death penalty. No history of cruelty, no history of injuries, no history of abuse, no injuries prior to her disappearance, manner of death not known, and only circumstantial evidence to possibly link Casey to the murder. It was interesting about the studies regarding death penalty juries.

All of that may or may not be true but it's irrelevant anyway.

Florida Law allows the Death Penalty to be sought in this case & It's the Jury's job to decide if there are agravating factors.

Jose & Andrea may disagree with the Law but if they want it changed they should petition FLorida Lawmakers not the Judge

 

[Dr.Fessel]

bold by me

I work with children too, and am also a mother, and I would be very concerned if a child put their arms up for protection like that when I asked them about something. That's a very scared child. What could they be doing that's so bad they would cry when caught? Is this in a school?

BBM

And you can tell when she was scared the most by the deepest breath she took when he said death sentence.

 

[gamom]

I'm certainly no body language expert, but Casey's body language while JA was talking really shook me to the core. Not just looking angry and defiant- which she definitely did, but her hiding behind her arm and her head sinking while JA was describing it. It didn't look, to me, like head in hands sobbing grief- it looked like..."Shield me from having to relieve what I've done".

I've said time and time again that I am keeping an open mind about this case- and I am. I understand that the defense is doing their job, I get why they're trying to get the death penalty off the table, and I'm not 100% confident in the state's case. I also agree with the poster who said that JA is speculating about how Caylee died, at this point.


But nothing can convince me, on a personal level, that Casey's actions today did not not look like one of a GUILTY person being confronted with her actions.

I think that Casey is used to having control and calling the shots, and being to talk her way out of everything. I think that this is the first time that she KNOWS that others KNOW at least a small PIECE of what happened, and there is no way out.

the arm over the face, the sinkng down and crying, not looking anyone in the eye, hiding- I work with kids, and this is how they often react when they get caught doing something they shouldn't. Hide their face with their arms (not even hands! Their arms, just like that...) and cry. They refuse to look at me, because they are ashamed, and know they have been caught.

I feel really weird today.

eta: of course, this is just a personal opinion.

ITA! I feel that for the first time KC is realizing what she did. I feel her tears today, while not for Caylee, were real tears. I think she has kind of dissociated her self from what happen and today she had to face it. She started off angry, but once she could not react in anger, she was defeated. I don't feel it was remorse, but I do feel it was shame and that she knew she was caught.

 

[gibby207]

I'm certainly no body language expert, but Casey's body language while JA was talking really shook me to the core. Not just looking angry and defiant- which she definitely did, but her hiding behind her arm and her head sinking while JA was describing it. It didn't look, to me, like head in hands sobbing grief- it looked like..."Shield me from having to relieve what I've done".

I've said time and time again that I am keeping an open mind about this case- and I am. I understand that the defense is doing their job, I get why they're trying to get the death penalty off the table, and I'm not 100% confident in the state's case. I also agree with the poster who said that JA is speculating about how Caylee died, at this point.


But nothing can convince me, on a personal level, that Casey's actions today did not not look like one of a GUILTY person being confronted with her actions.

I think that Casey is used to having control and calling the shots, and being to talk her way out of everything. I think that this is the first time that she KNOWS that others KNOW at least a small PIECE of what happened, and there is no way out.

the arm over the face, the sinkng down and crying, not looking anyone in the eye, hiding- I work with kids, and this is how they often react when they get caught doing something they shouldn't. Hide their face with their arms (not even hands! Their arms, just like that...) and cry. They refuse to look at me, because they are ashamed, and know they have been caught.

I feel really weird today.

eta: of course, this is just a personal opinion.

It was like prosecution was saying, "We know what you did," and KC's reactions were more like, "Shut up!"

 

[seagull65]

In the very first hearing I remember Casey having a moment where her eyes searched the air in a confused manner and she raised her arms in front of her in that classic "warding off blows" mannerism. She looked very far away and very much in a confused moment. I wondered about it then and still do. I had the strong impression at the time that she was remembering some situation in which she'd been threatened but her eyes were searching like she was trying to remember what happened. It was weird.

But in this hearing, the weirdest one yet, that sudden "ow!" and reaching for the back of her head as if she'd been hit from behind. I was like, what?! I'm going to have to review to see what was being said when she did that, I think it was very early on, can't remember which motion. Maybe when Dominick C's lawyer was up.

 

[passionflower]

I left for doctor at page 13........trying to catch up.........what happened?

 

[yeknomaras]

I might be alone on this, but I thought Kathi B was very unprofessional after the hearing. interrupting Baez when he's answering a question and making him mad to the point that he just leaves. that's not journalism at all. as much as I am not a fan of Baez, I would have reacted the same way he did to how she was acting.

 

[Bittiness39]

Translation of what I think the defense was after today: "We can't get our client to level with us...the truth of what happened to Caylee...so could you please remove the cameras from the jail...cuz she won't back down from the loser zanny story."

Also, is it becoming a sad trend for defense attorneys to whine that unless there is a video tape of the actual crime being committed...that no defendent should be convicted? That is why we have forensics...or in defense attorney lay terms...junk science.

 

[Theonly1]

Yep. A moment of utter fury where she wants to punch someones lights out. AL looks like she is holding her back. The "HOW F'ING DARE YOU" look.

This moment captured in time (and for prosperity) spells it all out. Its the "tell".

Shes mad that the truth is coming out.

ETA- Love the look of scepticism on Bill S's face (hes sitting directly behind her)

The "tell" was also when her right hand went immediately to and around her left wrist when Ashton spoke about Caylee being physically restrained!!!!