2010.02.09 New motion filed by defense TES search records

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Why would the defense go down and look at the 32 volunteers records if Mn already gave them to him?

I'll bet JB didn't look at any documents MN gave, just as he whined about not getting all the tips that were called in...he never picked up the CD the prosecutors made for him. I'll bet Baez hasn't checked any of the documents given him....He is an enept attorney, IMO...all mouth, no substance.!:furious:
 
  • #183
JB was given access to ALL the records to look through. Not just the 32.

He was given copies of the 32.

If during reviewing ALL the records, he found any that should be included in the 32, he was to report the names to the judge. Then the judge would review the file and decided if they should be included with the 32. IF the Judge agrees, then that file would be given to the Defense.

Exactly....and JB failed to comply with this order. Instead following the court order the defense has now filed a motion requesting information that has already been ruled on.

JB has not complied with the court order in an effort to disrupt the court and get someone else to do his work for him. In all do seriousness if I were the presiding judge I would issue JB and AL a warning about not complying with court orders and frivolous motions that waste the courts time. Part of that warning would be that the next time JB & company fail to comply with an order they will be held in contempt.
 
  • #184
JB was given access to ALL the records to look through. Not just the 32.

He was given copies of the 32.

If during reviewing ALL the records, he found any that should be included in the 32, he was to report the names to the judge. Then the judge would review the file and decided if they should be included with the 32. IF the Judge agrees, then that file would be given to the Defense.

Do you have a link that shows the Judge gave Jb access to all the records? I do not remember the Judge saying that. Thanks

It is my opinion that the defense was only allowed to look at the 32. My opinion can be changed.
 
  • #185
I know how to shut the defense up. Contact the defense to come over and pick the papers up. And while they are there, make copies of every piece of paper they can find. The phone bills, electric bills, phone messages, junk mail and just everything. Making sure that they have between 20-30,000 pages at least and that the papers are in no dectable order. And then bill them a dollar a page for making the copies.. payable within 30 days. If not paid, complain to the court.
 
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JS is to nice of a guy. This has already been ruled on. JB has not followed the courts direction (ie gone down and looked at the files). If I were the judge I would go ahead and have a hearing on this.

As suggested I would ask JB & co. If they in fact have followed the courts order on the last motion of this kind. If not I would then remind JB of the deadline which was missed for his evidence to back up Todd's claims as well as other times he has wasted the courts time in this case. After doing so I would turn to the bailiff and have JB and AL placed in custody and sentence them to 48 hours in county jail along with a 500 dollar fine for contempt. I would also remind JB & co that every time they waste the courts time or don't follow court orders I will once again place them in contempt for doing so.

JS knows that it took Baez 8 years to be admitted to the Bar, so everything has to be explained very slowly, then repeated, as to how the Court works.
 
  • #188
Here is the link where JJ states that he is a volunteer for Tes and filled out documentation on Tes forms and turned those docs over to Tes.

Page 15 of the pdf

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21703813/detail.html

He was also on this very site saying that he conducted his own searches. Yes he might have also volunteered for TES but if he was not in the location under TES's umbrella of supervision and went to the location on his own accord it does not matter if TES has his file.

He was not in that location at the request of TES and thus his file and info that TES has is not part of the 32. Now if the defense wants to see that file on JJ then JB can go and look at it then submit it to the judge as the court order states. JB needs to do his job and follow the directions as placed by the court in it's ruling.
 
  • #189
Do you have a link that shows the Judge gave Jb access to all the records? I do not remember the Judge saying that. Thanks

It is my opinion that the defense was only allowed to look at the 32. My opinion can be changed.

Please refer to post #173 in this thread by Intermezzo. It will answer your above question.
 
  • #190
Why would the defense go down and look at the 32 volunteers records if Mn already gave them to him?

NeJame and TES handed over the information on the 32 searchers.
The Defense was given the opportunity to go look at TES records at NeJames office and if they found something new, something more, then they and TES would go back to court to have it released.

IIRC It was Andrea Lyon who offered to go in to NeJames office to review the documents for themselves.

Off to look for the video....I believe it was the August 21 hearing.
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UPDATE
Haven't listened to the full hearing BUT I did find the Judges Ruling where he states the Defense and Prosecution are permitted to independently review all other TES documents/ records at NeJames law office and if they identify further searchers then it/they can be brought to court for an In Camera review and inspection

JUDGE'S ORDER: Read Order About Tim Miller
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582267/detail.html
 
  • #191
I posted the entire hearing earlier in the thread. It is not uncommon, unfortunately, for the defense to not understand the judge's ruling, or pretend they do not understand. Remember when the judge ruled the state could go ahead and use their state's investigative subpoena to handle the Dominic issue? AFTER THE JUDGE ALREADY RULED, Baez stood up and said something to the effect of if the court were to rule that the state can do this, the defense would want to be present. The judge tried to bite back the church giggles and he told Baez....I can't ignore statute. They have the right under the statute to do this, they are going to. As he very often does , he cited the exact statute ( for homework reference) LOL! I am not saying this to be funny....Baez honestly appears to have a very poor understanding of the proceedings. Since the hearings are all memorialized on YouTube, it may be helpful for the defense to review them before they file motions that are in direct contradiction to the judge's rulings. Indeed, it is allowed, if they need clarification...if they are legitimately confused, to ask the judge to clarify, they can ask for the transcript of the hearing. It is done all the time.

One of the most important things that was revealed in that hearing regarding these TES records is the defendant's parent's lawyer examined these documents, for days. Outside of Casey herself, there is no one in the world who would rather have found something in those records that could help her plight other than her own parent's lawyer for the love of God! I think it was a genius move on the part of Mr. Nejame. Positively genius!
Mr. Nejame and Mr. Connely are respected by the judge and afforded the same Officer of the Court, on their honor, credibility that the judge afforded Baez when he made representations to him about their being no media deal between she and Casey.

I trust that Brad did a diligent search. It is very compelling that Casey's own parents lawyer found even less than the 32 Mark offered as being in the relevant area.

So now the defense wants the judge to believe Mr. Miller lied, Mr. Nejame lied and Casey's parents' lawyer lied. Meanwhile, now two of the defense lawyers have had bar investigations ( one of them for guess what...a crime of dishonesty). Don't make me bring up Todd Black!!!
Wow!
Just shoot me!!

Their motion that had exhibit A and B , the two statements from the two searchers sure blew up in their face. One of them offers up in her statement that she went on her own.....so she is negated.

In my opinion......This is where it gets good, the other one , Mr. Jordon , came running to law enforcement to report something he believed to be underhanded going on....to the extreme that he recorded the last conversation that he had with the defense investigator....He is now not only negated...he is playing for the other team. Baaam!

You just can't make this stuff up.
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582267/detail.html
 
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Bold 1:
I believe the Judge will appoint a third party special master to look at all the records. If that person sees a document that is related to the case, they will turn that over to the Judge and the Judge will turn it over to both sides. If they do find a new witness that did search the area and did not see the body, then the defense will use that to make their claim that the body was not there. The defense may find away to thank all the other searchers for a noble effort.

Bold 2:
I do not believe Tes is the authority on searchers. All witnesses are equally important. They may find other searchers like Kw who searched that area. Also, police should have searched the area. They will be deposed.

As far as the experts go, their opinions are of 4 to 6 months or 3 to 6 months give or take. So in my opinion, it is an estimation. I have not seen cross examination of these experts. That is off topic so I appologize. Everything else is just my opinion.

Same question: And then what? Experts say 3-6 months(IYO) or 4-6 months (IYO), and suppose JS chose to overlook his previous ruling and appoint an independent to look over those records, and suppose they found - what the heck - let's say five searchers who say the remains weren't there when they searched. These searchers are going to prove beyond a reasonable doubt they searched every inch of exactly where Caylee was found? Exactly? As opposed to expert testimony re how long the remains lay there? Who's got the credibility among any thinking group of people?

Todd M. certainly isn't an expert on searches or searchers, but he stated emphatically in court the defense had evidence Caylee's remains were not there before Casey was incarcerated, and that they were put there afterwards. The defense has failed to produce this evidence for the courts deadline of Feb 1st.

So back to my question: And then what? Seriously, I'd like to your opinion beyond the steps you mentioned in response, as that was only a partial answer.
 
  • #195
I posted the entire hearing earlier in the thread. It is not uncommon, unfortunately, for the defense to not understand the judge's ruling, or pretend they do not understand. Remember when the judge ruled the state could go ahead and use their state's investigative subpoena to handle the Dominic issue? AFTER THE JUDGE ALREADY RULED, Baez stood up and said something to the effect of if the court were to rule that the state can do this, the defense would want to be present. The judge tried to bite back the church giggles and he told Baez....I can't ignore statute. They have the right under the statute to do this, they are going to. As he very often does , he cited the exact statute ( for homework reference) LOL! I am not saying this to be funny....Baez honestly appears to have a very poor understanding of the proceedings. Since the hearings are all memorialized on YouTube, it may be helpful for the defense to review them before they file motions that are in direct contradiction to the judge's rulings. Indeed, it is allowed, if they need clarification...if they are legitimately confused, to ask the judge to clarify, they can ask for the transcript of the hearing. It is done all the time.

One of the most important things that was revealed in that hearing regarding these TES records is the defendant's parent's lawyer examined these documents, for days. Outside of Casey herself, there is no one in the world who would rather have found something in those records that could help her plight other than her own parent's lawyer for the love of God! I think it was a genius move on the part of Mr. Nejame. Positively genius! Mr. Nejame and Mr. Connely are respected by the judge and afforded the same Officer of the Court, on their honor, credibility that the judge afforded Baez when he made representations to him about their being no media deal between she and Casey.

I trust that Brad did a diligent search. It is very compelling that Casey's own parents lawyer found even less than the 32 Mark offered as being in the relevant area.

So now the defense wants the judge to believe Mr. Miller lied, Mr. Nejame lied and Casey's parents' lawyer lied. Meanwhile, now two of the defense lawyers have had bar investigations ( one of them for guess what...a crime of dishonesty). Wow! Just shoot me!!

Their motion that had exhibit A and B , the two statements from the two searchers sure blew up in their face. One of them offers up in her statement that she went on her own.....so she is negated.

This is where it gets good, the other one , Mr. Jordon , came running to law enforcement to report something he believed to be underhanded going on....to the extreme that he recorded the last conversation that he had with the defense investigator....He is now not only negated...he is playing for the other team. Baaam!

You just can't make this stuff up.

:applause::applause::applause:
 
  • #196
MN's office delivered the records of the 32 searchers to the defense last year. The rest are in MN's office with an open invite for the defense to go through them all.
MN is cool and smooth.
JB is a noisemaker - does he really just want all those records released to the public? stall stall stall

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=0209motionfordocs_020920101151&cat=CAC&title=New
I think AL promised each one of her interns a certain number of motions to file.
So how many interns does she have? lol
Pretty sad, actually, when you have to go and recycle old ones.
 
  • #197
I posted the entire hearing earlier in the thread. It is not uncommon, unfortunately, for the defense to not understand the judge's ruling, or pretend they do not understand. Remember when the judge ruled the state could go ahead and use their state's investigative subpoena to handle the Dominic issue? AFTER THE JUDGE ALREADY RULED, Baez stood up and said something to the effect of if the court were to rule that the state can do this, the defense would want to be present. The judge tried to bite back the church giggles and he told Baez....I can't ignore statute. They have the right under the statute to do this, they are going to. As he very often does , he cited the exact statute ( for homework reference) LOL! I am not saying this to be funny....Baez honestly appears to have a very poor understanding of the proceedings. Since the hearings are all memorialized on YouTube, it may be helpful for the defense to review them before they file motions that are in direct contradiction to the judge's rulings. Indeed, it is allowed, if they need clarification...if they are legitimately confused, to ask the judge to clarify, they can ask for the transcript of the hearing. It is done all the time.

One of the most important things that was revealed in that hearing regarding these TES records is the defendant's parent's lawyer examined these documents, for days. Outside of Casey herself, there is no one in the world who would rather have found something in those records that could help her plight other than her own parent's lawyer for the love of God! I think it was a genius move on the part of Mr. Nejame. Positively genius!
Mr. Nejame and Mr. Connely are respected by the judge and afforded the same Officer of the Court, on their honor, credibility that the judge afforded Baez when he made representations to him about their being no media deal between she and Casey.

I trust that Brad did a diligent search. It is very compelling that Casey's own parents lawyer found even less than the 32 Mark offered as being in the relevant area.

So now the defense wants the judge to believe Mr. Miller lied, Mr. Nejame lied and Casey's parents' lawyer lied. Meanwhile, now two of the defense lawyers have had bar investigations ( one of them for guess what...a crime of dishonesty). Wow! Just shoot me!!

Their motion that had exhibit A and B , the two statements from the two searchers sure blew up in their face. One of them offers up in her statement that she went on her own.....so she is negated.

This is where it gets good, the other one , Mr. Jordon , came running to law enforcement to report something he believed to be underhanded going on....to the extreme that he recorded the last conversation that he had with the defense investigator....He is now not only negated...he is playing for the other team. Baaam!

You just can't make this stuff up.

This is worth repeating...... case closed. :gavel:

:clap: Thank you :clap: Thank you :clap: Thank you :clap:
 
  • #198
I'll bet JB didn't look at any documents MN gave, just as he whined about not getting all the tips that were called in...he never picked up the CD the prosecutors made for him. I'll bet Baez hasn't checked any of the documents given him....He is an enept attorney, IMO...all mouth, no substance.!:furious:
This deserves a bump!
 
  • #199
Do you have a link that shows the Judge gave Jb access to all the records? I do not remember the Judge saying that. Thanks

It is my opinion that the defense was only allowed to look at the 32. My opinion can be changed.

BBM


Voila! As per your above request and in case you wish to change your opinion, referenced in Point #4

JUDGE'S ORDER:
Read Order About Tim Miller

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582267/detail.html
 
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