2010.02.09 New motion filed by defense TES search records

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Yeah, that part I don't get. The defense has claimed in a prior motion that JJ and the lady from New Jersey were Tes voluteers that searched that area and Tes did not give them those records. So, I am not sure what is going on. I think they feel that Tes is withholding information, hence the motion. Otherwise, why would they keep bringing this motion up?

I think its new that Mn has now contradicted himself about claiming to protect volunteers in the light of the fact that he showed documents to the press. That is the new part.

The Sa putting in a motion to talk to the Judge without the Defense present is my reasoning for thinking that they are trying to keep something secret. All my opinion and all speculation.

I want to know the whole truth for Caylee. I understand that volunteers need protection and I applaud Mn for protecting them. But if it is related to the case, then the court needs to know about it. IMO

Easy answer on the first one. IMO, defense keeps bringing the motion up, not because they think TES is withholding something, but because they're on a fishing expedition and stalling for time.

Secondly, MN has not contradicted himself. Our names and numbers are still not public. Flashing a few documents in front of the press is vastly different than giving all the thousands of records over to JB because that would be the same as giving them directly to the press due to the SSL. But, remember, he has made them available to JB.

Thirdly, the in camera request is to reveal something to the judge that SA thinks JB shouldn't know about at this time. But, please keep in mind that this isn't something underhanded going on ~ which brings me to

Fourthly, your admonishment that if it is related to the case, then the court needs to know about it. That's exactly why SA has requested to bring this matter to the judge's attention. It's not like they're sneaking around about anything!!! SA are the people who have requested to tell Strickland about it and get his opinion, for goodness sake!!!!

 

[sleutherontheside]

Records of the searchers where the body was later found were made available for inspecting in order for the defense to determine if any of their info related to those parties. Records of searchers who were never near that area were deemed outside the scope of discovery. Have we seen a motion by JB asking for all independant parties that searched on their own to be ordered to present themselves for scrutiny?????

I am growing more and more irritated as people sit back and demand that all records be made available.....If you are the victim of a crime.....do you have the right to demand records on all your neighbors, friends, family etc........ in order to attempt to link a party to a theory???? The law requires that you prove cause for further investigation of parties. Sheesh folks....we are all smart and well educated and capable of demonstrating common sense....If we want to judge TES for protecting volunteers then we are beyond rational thought.

The defense had an opportunity to review records in MN office......ummmmmmmmmm they never did. I enjoy a good theory, and a discussion.....but banter without basis is tiresome. Off to bed.

 

[RR0004]

Is speculation really that bad? I mean, how are we suppose to get to the bottom of something if we can't share our speculations and opinions? I will gladly put all my speculation and opinion post in the rumor thread if everyone else will. I mean that is what I do. I speculate. I am speculating that this motion has something to do with the other motion. IMO

You're probably right...they want folks to stop looking at the SA's motion and pay attention to them!!
Ain't going to happen, NTS. And don't think for one minute that the defense will put the judge on notice...Strickland would kick their collective a$$es to the curb. IMO

 

[bogeygal]

It's kind of like "Clue"!

Yes, just like the game of Clue. Maybe the defense are hoping to find a name like: Gonzales/Fernandez/Zanny on the list of searchers.

So, they could say it's "Zanny with the duct tape in the woods".

According to everything I have read above, it sure sounds like this information on TES has been out there for the defense to get their hands on. Why the wait, I'll speculate that the defense already has the info, or this is just a distraction from the Prosecutor's motion for a private meeting with JS. I just love that judge!

 

[RR0004]

Let me guess....it was O-Town's Finest, in the shed, with a gatorade bottle.

Do I win?

Actually, Soju...that post of yours is priceless.

 

[seekingjustice**]

Yeah, that part I don't get. The defense has claimed in a prior motion that JJ and the lady from New Jersey were Tes voluteers that searched that area and Tes did not give them those records. So, I am not sure what is going on. I think they feel that Tes is withholding information, hence the motion. Otherwise, why would they keep bringing this motion up?

I think its new that Mn has now contradicted himself about claiming to protect volunteers in the light of the fact that he showed documents to the press. That is the new part.

The Sa putting in a motion to talk to the Judge without the Defense present is my reasoning for thinking that they are trying to keep something secret. All my opinion and all speculation.

I want to know the whole truth for Caylee. I understand that volunteers need protection and I applaud Mn for protecting them. But if it is related to the case, then the court needs to know about it. IMO

BBM - First Bold, IMO the reason they keep bringing this motion is because they have nothing else they can do MOO.

Second Bold, the only people that are keeping secrets IMO is KC and Team Anthony. All my opinion of course.

 

[notthatsmart]

Easy answer on the first one. IMO, defense keeps bringing the motion up, not because they think TES is withholding something, but because they're on a fishing expedition and stalling for time.

Secondly, MN has not contradicted himself. Our names and numbers are still not public. Flashing a few documents in front of the press is vastly different than giving all the thousands of records over to JB because that would be the same as giving them directly to the press due to the SSL. But, remember, he has made them available to JB.

Thirdly, the in camera request is to reveal something to the judge that SA thinks JB shouldn't know about at this time. But, please keep in mind that this isn't something underhanded going on ~ which brings me to

Fourthly, your admonishment that if it is related to the case, then the court needs to know about it. That's exactly why SA has requested to bring this matter to the judge's attention. It's not like they're sneaking around about anything!!! SA are the people who have requested to tell Strickland about it and get his opinion, for goodness sake!!!!

The court includes the defense. Equal respected officers of the court. I doubt the Judge will rule for the Sa on this one. IMO

 

[RR0004]

Yes, just like the game of Clue. Maybe the defense are hoping to find a name like: Gonzales/Fernandez/Zanny on the list of searchers.

So, they could say it's "Zanny with the duct tape in the woods".

According to everything I have read above, it sure sounds like this information on TES has been out there for the defense to get their hands on. Why the wait, I'll speculate that the defense already has the info, or this is just a distraction from the Prosecutor's motion for a private meeting with JS. I just love that judge!

It is getting quite tiresome. I wish they would focus on deposing the state's witnesses if they can't come up with any of their own.

 

[RR0004]

The court includes the defense. Equal respected officers of the court. I doubt the Judge will rule for the Sa on this one. IMO

So you don't think the Judge will grant the ex parte motion? Hmmmm...

 

[noonie]

Yes, just like the game of Clue. Maybe the defense are hoping to find a name like: Gonzales/Fernandez/Zanny on the list of searchers.

So, they could say it's "Zanny with the duct tape in the woods".

According to everything I have read above, it sure sounds like this information on TES has been out there for the defense to get their hands on. Why the wait, I'll speculate that the defense already has the info, or this is just a distraction from the Prosecutor's motion for a private meeting with JS. I just love that judge!

Yes, this is all too much!! What a screamin' joke!!!! They all know who did this dirty deed but all the BS is unbelievable for justice for Caylee, as she looks down from heaven into the eyes of her snot nose mother!! God Forbid This is my opinion and I am certainly sticking with it Caylee. We all Love You Darling. Nitey Nite ALL :angel:

 

[RR0004]

I can't wait to hear RH take on this motion. I respect his opinion and I don't always agree with it. He speculates and has his opinion. He has even stated that everything he says is just his opinion. He brings that inside information for us. He is a Criminal Defense Attorney from Orlando area that has dealt with this Judge. I wish people would make him feel more welcome around here. The information he gives us is valuable. IMO

Wouldn't he be putting that info on his own blog? And...please excuse me for asking...where is this coming from?!

 

[sleutherontheside]

Why am I having visions of the Chik-Fil-A "cow".......Eat more chicken......MOO

 

[RR0004]

I get the whole "let's look through 4000 backgrounds" to find someone who'll cast reasonable doubt. Could that be the reason why the As never joined in any of the searches?

PS- let's remember folks...this is coming from the same guy who wanted the court to let Casey help look "in places of interest". (motion 10/3/08)

 

[Spangle]

I think the Judge should allow all records to be turned over to the defense and only allow items related to the case to go out in sunshine law. The Judge should steer away from this keep secrets from the defense game that Sa and Tes are playing. I believe he will do the right thing. Moo

I guess you have forgetting the Judge's ruling. Those papers are not being kept from the defense. They are welcome to come see them. Just like BC and the media did. They can review them all they want. And if they find ANYTHING, all they have to do is tell the judge.

That is the right thing to do and he all ready did it. Both sides win. The defense can see the papers and the volunteers keep their info private, unless needed.

The judge has all ready ruled. This isn't new info.

 

[noonie]

I guess you have forgetting the Judge's ruling. Those papers are not being kept from the defense. They are welcome to come see them. Just like BC and the media did. They can review them all they want. And if they find ANYTHING, all they have to do is tell the judge.

That is the right thing to do and he all ready did it. Both sides win. The defense can see the papers and the volunteers keep their info private, unless needed.

The judge has all ready ruled. This isn't new info.

It is because they are SCARED!!!! Hey come now all you rolling SLEUTHS!!!!!!:woohoo::dance:

 

[noonie]

I'm gonna go watch the snow fall and play my guitar and think about CAYLEE. Nite ALL

 

[RR0004]

The court includes the defense. Equal respected officers of the court. I doubt the Judge will rule for the Sa on this one. IMO

I think you're right...about getting to the whole truth. Perhaps we should assign State truths...and Defense truths. Put it in the form of a chart or something. Up to the task? It may be easier then to follow the truth if we could visibly see the truthful statements of both sides.

 

[RR0004]

I'm gonna go watch the snow fall and play my guitar and think about CAYLEE. Nite ALL

Yup...already have gotten the call...no work tomorrow!

Enjoy!

 

[Just Jayla]

I think the Judge should allow all records to be turned over to the defense and only allow items related to the case to go out in sunshine law. The Judge should steer away from this keep secrets from the defense game that Sa and Tes are playing. I believe he will do the right thing. Moo

I am not sure this is a matter of irrelevance so much as it is a matter of 1. privacy for non-parties who were not at Suburban and 2. the fact the TES is not in Judge S. jurisdiction. IIRC, the defense argued that because TES was working in association with the government of Florida, they were thereby within Orange County's jurisdiction.
MN could have battled this one out in a possibly nasty, definately lengthy process. Instead, he offered a compromise and JS agreed that this was suitable and made his ruling. When you start to bring forth information and assumptions about people who may not even have been there, lawsuits start flying-and those lawsuits could be aimed towards TES if there were no waivers signed. MN is doing his job by protecting the privacy of these volunteers, IMO.

 

[lauriej]

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Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm did Andrea / Jose / Law student lemming leave somethig out?????

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Is the door open for AL to deny authoring said motion??? Is he planned to use a /s/ AKA digital signature....should her professional license number not been listed as well???? I know she was required to have another original signature next to or below her /s/ signature.....but what was the reason for this. Does anyone recall where in this case we have seen this variation of counsel signature??? If so.......I missed it.

....haven't read the thread through yet-------but thank you ! i did notice the /s/ on the motion and didn't have a clue...

...that sneaky AL.....