2010.02.09 New motion filed by defense TES search records

[lauriej]

Al is a good Defense Attorney. The Judge has a right to know about these things. I am glad she is there to point things out to him. It is best for all of us to have Kc have a fair trial, and I can't even imagine keeping things from the Judge. She did the right thing here. I applaud her. Moo

...i highly doubt that JudgeS needs anything "pointed out to him"...

..and i agree with you, i want kc to have a fair trial as well--

..and go down the 1st time around.

 

[lauriej]

I think the Judge should allow all records to be turned over to the defense and only allow items related to the case to go out in sunshine law. The Judge should steer away from this keep secrets from the defense game that Sa and Tes are playing. I believe he will do the right thing. Moo

..i should read the whole thread before replying-----but, going off of my memory:

..didn't MN agree recently-----to baez---come on over to my office, look at any and all TES records.....

..how is that "keeping secrets"?

..i think once the judge looks at this "new" motion, he'll say" ummmmmm..this isn't new........" " i've already ruled and rolled on this..."

 

[lauriej]

..apologies---------i see all of my questions were answered-------and thoughts posted! ----had i read through to the end.....

 

[Tulessa]

..i should read the whole thread before replying-----but, going off of my memory:

..didn't MN agree recently-----to baez---come on over to my office, look at any and all TES records.....

..how is that "keeping secrets"?

..i think once the judge looks at this "new" motion, he'll say" ummmmmm..this isn't new........" " i've already ruled and rolled on this..."

He did! MOO.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I believe it is new info for the defense to give to the Judge. Nm made the claim that he was protecting the volunteers, but his actions were to show the volunteers info to the media. That is a direct contradiction. I think it is good for the defense to point this out to the Judge. He has yet to rule on the motion to release all records. I do not believe this an appellate issue right now. I think the defense is putting judge on notice that they know exactly what the Sa is doing in trying to get this private meeting.

Perhaps they found a new witness that documented something at the crime scene. Bc didn't notice it, Mn didn't notice it, but when Le's seasoned crime scene investigators looked, they noticed. Speculation on my part. They may want to interview this witness before the defense finds out about it.

As far as Al goes. She is a seasoned defense Lawyer and respected by her peers. The things she does are mostly SOP. Kc has a right to a fair trial even if it is SOP. We can not accuse the defense of hiding things. They have the Attorney client privledge. That is the law. IMO I state nothing as fact. Pure speculation on my part and of course of my opinion only and nobody else's obviously. Moo

NTS,

It was my understanding that MN allowed one reporter to recently view (but no note taking, copying, etc) the information on the previously discussed 32 searchers approved by JS

Are you stating that MN provided this information (on the 32) to Team Baez) but is now providing information on ALL TES searchers to the media????

Could you provide a link verifying such?

 

[Kentjbkent]

The Judge did rule for the defense originally and allowed for the defense to look at 32 records. Since then, the defense is showing that there are other records related to the case. (jj and the lady from New Jersey). Can anyone think why the Judge wouldn't rule to allow the defense to look at any other records that are related to the case?

And this is going to be Baez' biggest problem, because BOTH of those searchers have stated publicly that while they did go on TES searches, their efforts of searching the Suburban site were NOT TES related.

JJ not only claims, there are various forum posts, that HE initiated the search of that area himself, and went as far as to post publicly asking others to join him!

So Baez can CLAIM what he wants.....problem is, he has nothing and no one to back up what he is saying..... (another constant problem of his :waitasec

 

[The World According]

Sadly, we will likely see many, many more silly motions like this by the time the trial gets here. Andrea sets that out as standard operating procedure on her cases. They should not mistake the judge's elegant manners with complacency. After all, he did file a bar complaint against Baez.

In the word of Mrs. Drane-Brudick, "It is a FARCE. It doesn't even come close!"



Mark is going to mop the floor with this BS. Again!
http://www.wftv.com/pdf/20582267/detail.html

 

[TotallyObsessed]

Records of the searchers where the body was later found were made available for inspecting in order for the defense to determine if any of their info related to those parties. Records of searchers who were never near that area were deemed outside the scope of discovery. Have we seen a motion by JB asking for all independant parties that searched on their own to be ordered to present themselves for scrutiny?????

I am growing more and more irritated as people sit back and demand that all records be made available.....If you are the victim of a crime.....do you have the right to demand records on all your neighbors, friends, family etc........ in order to attempt to link a party to a theory???? The law requires that you prove cause for further investigation of parties. Sheesh folks....we are all smart and well educated and capable of demonstrating common sense....If we want to judge TES for protecting volunteers then we are beyond rational thought.

The defense had an opportunity to review records in MN office......ummmmmmmmmm they never did. I enjoy a good theory, and a discussion.....but banter without basis is tiresome. Off to bed.

Exactly. The Judge narrowed the scope of discovery down to the relevant parties. Period. I mean at this rate, why doesn't JB just ask for all phone numbers and addresses of every person that lives within a 25-50 mile radius of the remains site. He could depose each and every citizen to see if there is something in their background that would allow them to be the next "road kill" in this circus. Heck, why limit it to that small of an area, why not EVERYBODY that is a resident citizen of Orlando? Oh, and New York, Puerto Rico and where else was Zanny supposed to live? :banghead::banghead::banghead:

And while he's at it, heck, maybe JS, MN and everyone else blocking JB's way to proving his client TOTALLY INNOCENT is in on the coverup......let's get real. Sorry, I'll go back to my coffee before I get a timeout.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

This is back to the old "fishing expedition" that JS mentioned earlier. They don't just want contact with the searchers in the area, they want contact with all the searchers in hopes of finding some who went to Suburban Drive on their own.

Funny, but the people who searched with JJ and the lady from NJ didn't back them up with statements of their own...

The defense really needs to get off this and on to some serious case work and depositions.

 

[coco puff]

Okay, this is what I do not understand. TES released to defense the 32 people they were aware searched that area. Obviously they were of no help to defense because we have only heard about 2 people who searched that area and were not searching officially for TES, they were on their own. They claim they did not find anything and I am sure they are thanking their lucky stars because if they had found Caylee they would be where RK is now, right in the hot seat. Defense has all the lab reports...they can't all be wrong. The child was already deceased when TES was searching that area, defense knows that. If there were more people in that area searching isn't defense shooting themselves in the foot because the argument SA would make is well if there were that many people searching the area it would be hard to place a body there without notice.

Figure it out, 32 searchers, Ms. St. John's and the dog, the group from TES who searched on their own, JW's repeated visits, RK, DC and JH. That place had to be swarming with people. Why would defense waste time on something that could significantly backfire on them?

Will the defense really try and say that there were all of these people in the area looking for Caylee but didn’t find her so she must not have been there, AND THEN insist that the murderer picked the very spot where all of this activity was going on, to DUMP Caylee LATER? If you had a body to dump, would you pick the very place where everyone is LOOKING for the body to get rid of it? Would you risk being caught one mile from Caylee’s home with her body in your possession, with the whole city looking for her? It makes no sense. Not even a little. None. Zero

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Will the defense really try and say that there were all of these people in the area looking for Caylee but didn’t find her so she must not have been there, AND THEN insist that the murderer picked the very spot where all of this activity was going on, to DUMP Caylee LATER? If you had a body to dump, would you pick the very place where everyone is LOOKING for the body to get rid of it? Would you risk being caught one mile from Caylee’s home with her body in your possession, with the whole city looking for her? It makes no sense. Not even a little. None. Zero

coco puff, this is exactly what I don't understand, as well. All these motions are based on the false premise that "if the area was searched and no body was found ~ then the body wasn't there." The lack of logic isn't merely obvious ~ It screams unreasonableness!!! I hate that the court's time has to be spent on such frivolities!! :banghead:

 

[lisalei321]

After reading this whole thread, I'm relived to say that I no longer think that I'll have to change my cell phone number <whew>!

 

[SallyLu]

After reading this whole thread, I'm relived to say that I no longer think that I'll have to change my cell phone number <whew>!

Ha! You never know with this fiasco do you? MOO

Thankyou for posting the IGNORE information. I've been having to sign out so as not to respond to latent flamers.

 

[lisalei321]

Ha! You never know with this fiasco do you? MOO

Thankyou for posting the IGNORE information. I've been having to sign out so as not to respond to latent flamers.

Your Welcome

 

[LambChop]

The court includes the defense. Equal respected officers of the court. I doubt the Judge will rule for the Sa on this one. IMO

With all due respect this is not an SA matter. This is a matter of the volunteers right to protection which MN is attempting to keep from the defense because defense has shown no logical reason for having the information. But, MN is not telling defense they can not look at them, they are saying you can not have their private information, cell phone numbers, home addresses. All defense has to do is go on Good Morning American and ask for anyone who has been on Suburban Drive from June 16th through December 11th to please come forward, they are looking for information. If they don't want to do that, they are looking for another victum. But we all know that the evidence shows Caylee was placed there in the very spot around the time of her death in June.

Another theory why JB wants all of the volunteer records. How many volunteers were there? A thousand? Just a guess. So if you have someone calling from the defense offices and asking you very personal, invasive questions over the phone you will probably be upset. Correct? Now these same people may have 20/30 friends/co-workers that they speak with personally and they relay this information to their friends, etc. "You know the defense called me and they went on and on and on about blah, blah, blah and really upset me." What impact will that have on a jury pool? Do the math, it is a lot of people. JMO

 

[strawberry]

JB said that KC was innocent, had a reasonable explanation for everything long before TES even went out there. So why would they need these documents? MOO

 

[LambChop]

And this is going to be Baez' biggest problem, because BOTH of those searchers have stated publicly that while they did go on TES searches, their efforts of searching the Suburban site were NOT TES related.

JJ not only claims, there are various forum posts, that HE initiated the search of that area himself, and went as far as to post publicly asking others to join him!

So Baez can CLAIM what he wants.....problem is, he has nothing and no one to back up what he is saying..... (another constant problem of his :waitasec

And would you not be likely to assume that if JJ, the lady from NJ and the other searchers who were unauthorized to search that area, but did that day on their own had found anything, ANYTHING, it would have been reported and all the other searchers would have been aware of it. Having 10 people say they found nothing proves nothing when the remains are actually found. Just that they did not find her and we know that already.

Can the judge as defense what he is looking for? JMO

 

[sleutherontheside]

My son used to have a hamster named Robert...I know....weird name for a hamster right???? Anyway......that thing would run circles in the wheel day in / day out.... I feel at times like we're in a giant hamster wheel. KWIM?????

 

[LambChop]

Ha! You never know with this fiasco do you? MOO

Thankyou for posting the IGNORE information. I've been having to sign out so as not to respond to latent flamers.

Try to look at it as a positive experience. It makes us think and I'll tell ya some of our posters have come up with some pretty good information and theories I never thought of. In the end, KC is responsible no matter who defense claims "done it"......KC knows she did it and KC refuses to to talk. Not good KC, not good. :blowkiss:

 

[watcher9]

This motion is so silly and time consuming for the court.
How come JB isn't worried that his "witnesses" were out there on their own and were also in the position of putting Caylee there themselves?
Why doesn't he just go after them???
LOL