2010.02.10 - 2010.03.15 ~Robyn Adams's Transcript

[logicalgirl]

No need, woe. I read them all and have the migraine to prove it. I know she said she might use them to try to get her sentence reduced but it wasn't her only reason for communicating with Casey.

Wrong choice of words when I said "agenda". She does sound very reluctant to have to come forward in her interviews with FDLE. I don't know if a jury will believe her or not. She sounds pretty credible to me.

And AGAIN, when Robyn was forced to produce them, they were first given to Robyn's lawyer who reviewed them and said there was nothing useful in them that would assist Robyn in her case.

So Robyn knew she would gain nothing in her testimony. Nothing.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

After all this, I have to wonder what Ms. Casey O'Marie (aka Muffin) has to say about her "Cookie" and Bestest Best Friend EVER! ... I know Robyn didn't go to the cops, but she did spill the beans. Jeepers Creepers!!

Add to that, I can't even tell sometimes whose writing is whose. I noticed there's another thread pertaining to handwriting analysis but I haven't gotten there yet. Sometimes the writing is slanted, straight up and down, small and tight, etc. But both Robyn's and KC's writing seems different but then the same at times. :waitasec:

I totally understand about the headaches!

 

[crangel]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought I read in the transcript that Robyn didn't do the interview until after her sentencing. I could be wrong though.

 

[southernbrunette]

I can understand your anxiety regarding Robyn as a witness but I just can't share it. Try thinking of a combination of this testimony as one of the bricks in a great wall of evidence and testimony that will keep Casey in prison for at least LWOP, but more likely the death penalty.
They would have difficulty discrediting this witness. It's just a matter of having her first admit her background at the beginning of her testimony IMO.

Robyn's untrustworthy as a "friend" to KC simply because it's obvious that all along she wanted to safeguard these letters for a future profit. I don't even think she was going to use them to lighten her sentence, I think she was holding onto them until after KC was convicted to sell..perhaps to help support her children. I see her as manipulative in the sense that she got KC to trust her and open up to her, but I don't see her as lying to the police about this. She knows she isn't going to get a lighter sentence because of it, and she was reluctant to hand the letters over because she wanted to profit off of them, not give them away for free.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

The envelopes are posted among the letters - this is not a thorough list but on quick review I noted envelopes were sent to Tracy on:
Oct 21, 24, and 30,
Nov. 4, 14 and 20,
Dec. 02 and 29* of 2008;
Jan. 05* and 30,
Feb. 12 and 25 of 2009.
*looks like two envelopes went out on these days.

pdf. 121 (pg. 13705-6)
letter dated 10/27/08 "Thanks for doing something with Casey Anthony's notes, I certainly can't keep them in my cell with me since she is so high profile."

pdf. 62 (pg. 13656)
letter dated 2/23/09 "Dear Tracy, I have to get rid of these notes from Casey so she doesn't get in trouble too. Do you think one day they'll be worth anything? Maybe a spot on the Today Show or Oprah if anything comes of it, who knows, I am her only friend here but that might be like betrayal and I don't want that!..."

pdf. 98-101 (pg. 13682-85)
letter dated 4/3/09 "Dear Tracy, First, I want to begin by apologizing for hurting your feelings and making you angry with my stupid words in my journal. I would never intentially hurt you, I am so sorry and feel horrible for making you upset. You mean the world to me and I cherish our friendship as I do a sisterhood. The only reason Casey confides in me as much as she does is because she has no one to talk to and for some reason she feels comfortable opening up to me, I'm honestly not sure why that is. This may be my only way out of prison sooner than my expected term.* ... I did think that they might hold some value in the future but that's as far as I thought."
*BBM

Also see pages 13714, 13761, 13611 among others.

Not posted here is the reference to the letter that Robyn writes about how she was betrayed by someone which is why she ended up in prison. In that letter, she prides herself for not being the person who did the betraying. Go figure!

 

[southernbrunette]

Ok, we have RA saying the letters were passed in a book. That Hernandez was allowing them time to talk, but where does it say how she got the letters out of prison to her friend? I thought the prison checked all outgoing and incoming mail? If so, how did they not notice this many letters going out? Did they really not know that Casey wrote them?
What is up with this?

They probably should check all outgoing/incoming mail but I think they just check incoming mail for contraband more so than they check outgoing mail. It'd be exhausting to go through all outgoing mail..and CO's are just humans too. I mean look at all the crap that's been going on here locally with the Osceola county jail, and the stuff Robyn and KC describe about being able to get away with while incarcerated. Just because there are rules set doesn't mean they're always followed..if you've ever had a loved one or close friend in jail, you learn about the kind of stuff they can get away with. Drugs and alcohol are introduced into jails a lot of times by "trustees" - people who work for the jail but aren't sworn officers.

 

[southernbrunette]

Even in jail there is a honor type code for a mother that murdered her child..............
so a drug dealer that is a mother could turn on KC fast.....IMO, I would!

Exactly. Didn't a few drug dealers and other hard criminals kill Jeffrey Dahmer in jail?

 

[logicalgirl]

The envelopes are posted among the letters - this is not a thorough list but on quick review I noted envelopes were sent to Tracy on:
Oct 21, 24, and 30,
Nov. 4, 14 and 20,
Dec. 02 and 29* of 2008;
Jan. 05* and 30,
Feb. 12 and 25 of 2009.
*looks like two envelopes went out on these days.

pdf. 121 (pg. 13705-6)
letter dated 10/27/08 "Thanks for doing something with Casey Anthony's notes, I certainly can't keep them in my cell with me since she is so high profile."

pdf. 62 (pg. 13656)
letter dated 2/23/09 "Dear Tracy, I have to get rid of these notes from Casey so she doesn't get in trouble too. Do you think one day they'll be worth anything? Maybe a spot on the Today Show or Oprah if anything comes of it, who knows, I am her only friend here but that might be like betrayal and I don't want that!..."

pdf. 98-101 (pg. 13682-85)
letter dated 4/3/09 "Dear Tracy, First, I want to begin by apologizing for hurting your feelings and making you angry with my stupid words in my journal. I would never intentially hurt you, I am so sorry and feel horrible for making you upset. You mean the world to me and I cherish our friendship as I do a sisterhood. The only reason Casey confides in me as much as she does is because she has no one to talk to and for some reason she feels comfortable opening up to me, I'm honestly not sure why that is. This may be my only way out of prison sooner than my expected term.* ... I did think that they might hold some value in the future but that's as far as I thought."
*BBM

Also see pages 13714, 13761, 13611 among others.

Not posted here is the reference to the letter that Robyn writes about how she was betrayed by someone which is why she ended up in prison. In that letter, she prides herself for not being the person who did the betraying. Go figure!

Yup, agreed but here is a woman who has received a 10 year sentence and is going out of her mind missing her children. I can see why she may latch onto something like this in hopes she might get out sooner. Not sure I condemn her for it.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I'm not condemning anybody. I'm trying to look for the truth.
What I'm not going to do is put a lot of weight in a fellow prisoner's attempt at gathering evidence. That's what concerns me is that it seems she was trying to orchestrate obtaining information for her own purposes.

This is a woman who is married to a Policeman who was actively involved in criminal activity for monetary gain while, at the same time, he was arresting other people (who may not have even been dealers but just users) and supporting their incarceration. That is low, low imo. It hasn't anything to do with comparing KC's crime to Robyn's crime. But just like Robyn did on the outside, she was trying to skirt the law on the inside too. I'm not impressed with her nor do I trust her any more than I trust KC. Just sayn'.

 

[redkatrampant]

I'm not condemning anybody. I'm trying to look for the truth.
What I'm not going to do is put a lot of weight in a fellow prisoner's attempt at gathering evidence. That's what concerns me is that it seems she was trying to orchestrate obtaining information for her own purposes.

This is a woman who is married to a Policeman who was actively involved in criminal activity for monetary gain while, at the same time, he was arresting other people (who may not have even been dealers but just users) and supporting their incarceration. That is low, low imo. It hasn't anything to do with comparing KC's crime to Robyn's crime. But just like Robyn did on the outside, she was trying to skirt the law on the inside too. I'm not impressed with her nor do I trust her any more than I trust KC. Just sayn'.

I think you make an excellent point. And here I think is where some are having an issue with their own sense of moral/ethical fairness.
IMO, at this point , the boogeyman himself could testify against KC and as long as it is believable and supportable, most are willing to accept it. I do agree with the lowness and the hypocrisy of this couple. I do. Really.
BUT I also believe in my heart of hearts, that KC is guilty. If using the testimony of someone who broke laws, made verbal threats, and abused the authority of local law enforcement for monetary gain ,is a means to proving and convicting, I am willing to do it.
Does that make sense? Or am I way out in left field?

 

[TorisMom003]

One big thing that I got from Robyn's interview is the fact that Casey was the one that started the letter writing and hiding it in a book, not Robyn. They had communicated with hand gestures (didn't know Casey knew sign language) until Robyn was moved to a cell that they could no longer see each other from. Casey went to the shower area, picked up a book, pointed at it while showing it to Robyn. Robyn later went and got the book and found a letter in it. IF Robyn had decided all along that she was going to "betray" Casey by using the letters against her and for Robyn's benefit then it would make more sense to me that Robyn would have been the one to come up with that clever little plan.

During the letter to Tracey (Robyn's outside BFF) where Robyn apologizes to her for hurting her feelings, it sounds as if Tracey either sent her a letter or talked to her on the phone about her concern that Casey was replacing Tracey in Robyn's life. I can understand why Robyn would try to calm Tracey's fears and reassure her that Casey is not as important as Tracey is. To me it almost sounded like a "lover's spat". Robyn came across as saying whatever she felt Tracey needed to hear to keep Tracey happy and in Robyn's corner.

I agree with others that if Robyn really intended to use these letters against Casey in order to "lighten" her sentence she would have done so before she was sentenced. However she did not. I see a personal struggle in Robyn's writings that she doesn't want to betray Casey (as was done to her) but she also wants to help herself, then she began to belive that Casey had killed Caylee after all. So in a situation like that what does one do? Personally I feel that she did the right thing. She held onto the letters, asked her friend and dad to look through them for clues as to Casey's guilt and when confronted by authorities told them everything she knew and handed over the letters.

Personally I believe her.

 

[Pensfan]

I'm not saying I don't believe her, it's the jury believing her that I'm afraid of.

ITA. Ms. Adams is a more than just a pot dealer. She made death threats to a police informant and others, obtained illicit Oxycontin prescriptions, was busted for having illegal assault weapons in her home, and was attempting to set up a statewide network to sell narcotics and pot.
The death threats against informants and others, assault weapons possession, and her association with individuals involved in the illegal narcotic “business” will probably make her testimony difficult for some jurors to believe.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16954050/detail.html

 

[Woe.be.gone]

replying to Redkatrampant ~

I don't know if it makes sense but I was hoping for concrete information but it doesn't look like there is any coming from the letters. The letters could have been written based on observations and topics discussed here on WS. I'm not done reading everything, but so far, there are no new revelations other than KC claims to love and miss her mom (where we speculate that they are at odds with one another) and other tidbits that we already know - like KC doesn't seem to get that she has been charged with killing her own daughter but doesn't seem too phased by that fact :waitasec:.

I just don't know how LE can go by the verbal testimony from a person like this - it would be hard for me to trust anything this woman would say because her motive is to help herself. Now had LE found letters in the cell of someone who had not written/thought/verbalized about profitting from the relationship/letters in the future, where the person was simply a confidant - I'd be more apt to take any info stemming from that relationship and think more about what might be revealed there even though the person is a prisoner too. This is contrived imo.

 

[southernbrunette]

okay now local news is saying Robyn COULD get a reduced sentence for her involvement..

http://www.wftv.com/news/23081784/detail.html

 

[Woe.be.gone]

ITA. Ms. Adams is a more than just a pot dealer. She made death threats to a police informant and others, obtained illicit Oxycontin prescriptions, was busted for having illegal assault weapons in her home, and was attempting to set up a statewide network to sell narcotics and pot.
The death threats against informants and others, assault weapons possession, and her association with individuals involved in the illegal narcotic “business” will probably make her testimony difficult for some jurors to believe.
http://www.wftv.com/news/16954050/detail.html

That's serious. Robyn writes in one of her letters that she's in jail because 'she smoked pot' - sounds like an understatement to me. Robyn verbally testifies that KC told her that her mom brought home chloroform from her workplace.

What strikes me odd is that one of the charges that Robyn is serving ten years for is because she was using her position in an Orthopedic office to illegally obtain and sell Oxycontin. Oh boy.

 

[logicalgirl]

That's serious. Robyn writes in one of her letters that she's in jail because 'she smoked pot' - sounds like an understatement to me. Robyn verbally testifies that KC told her that her mom brought home chloroform from her workplace.

What strikes me odd is that one of the charges that Robyn is serving ten years for is because she was using her position in an Orthopedic office to illegally obtain and sell Oxycontin. Oh boy.

Umm - wasn't the oxycontin for her husband? And (well, I'm from Canada..) if you have a large grow-op of course you have guns to protect your crop, and if you have a large grow-op you are going to need a drug network to sell it. And wasn't it her husbands grow-op and she knew about it?

Up here she might get four years, but would serve two and she'd be out.

 

[MidAtlanticNative]

Do the letters talk about Casey's knowledge of the crime scene - or is that only in RA's interview?

Only in the interview; nothing referenced in the letters.

 

[nursebeeme]

Hope this post belongs here - I've not read the transcript yet but have read through page 300 in Part 1 of letters (Wesh). Around pg. 275 the pages begin to duplicate earlier pages. I needed a break so I'm posting the following observations ~

Robyn wrote her friend, Tracy, and assured her that she was her bf and that she was only befriending KC for the purpose of getting the goods on her so she might be able to get her own sentence reduced from the mandatory ten year sentence.

KC proceeded to respond/write letters proclaiming true friendship and everlasting support while they exchanged Bible verses and encouragement to one another.

Robyn writes in a letter how betrayal has landed her in the spot she is in and how she is grateful that she is the betrayed and not the betrayer :waitasec: ~ anybody else see anything wrong with this picture?

KC forgot her 'trust nobody but yourself' message.

Robyn had a motive for writing/befriending KC - a selfserving motive. Her motive was to get the goods on KC. That is clearly stated in a letter Robyn wrote Tracy.

I want to know the truth about what happened to Caylee as much as anybody else does but I'm not sure I can trust what Robyn has to say because she too is interested mainly in herself.

just going off your post.... despite what R's intentions were she was able to elicit very interesting information from Casey Anthony. The jury will not be judging R but judging Casey and I truly think this is just a nail in the million in Casey's guilty verdict (which I think will happen).

 

[autumnlover]

The only way RA's testimony will survive the smell test to the jury is if she asks for nothing in return, IMO. If her sentence gets reduced she's toast as a witness for the SA.

 

[nursebeeme]

isn't your run of the mill jailhouse snitch in it for something else? I don't see why we must put a halo on R. Of course she wanted/wants something. However, she WAS able to elicit statements out of Casey in her own words that are, while not necessarily NEW, at least telling in the case. The letters imhoo will not be a new nail but will certainly cement a few in jurors minds once they hear these letters and from R herself if she is to take the stand.

((also, during the trial cannot wait to see Casey's reaction to R taking the stand or the introduction of these letters that R was supposed to flush after reading))