2010.03.16 Tommy Croslin wants to take a polygraph test to clear his name.

[southernvagirl]

Well, since it was written after the big restraining order deal, and the interview looks to have taken place in between the fight and the article, it could have been that. It just seems to me that Lisa will be loyal to whichever of her children is being loyal to her and at that time, Misty wasn't.

I still think that if Tommy takes a lie detector test and passes there will be people who will think he's flat out lying. JMO.

I for one would never believe anything a lying theiving person would ever say...How could you believe anything he would say about anything,,,much less about Haleigh. If anyone knows,,,could a person who in his mind and soul,,knows he is guilty of robbing people homes and whatever crimes he has commited, would this interfere with a polygraph test, even though it would be on a different subject ie: Haleigh

 

[Sailor Bug]

I don't know about generally, but in FL, the jail has every right to videotape a client and attorney conference. The Casey Anthony case taught me that, since her lawyers fought (unsuccessfully) to have this changed just for them, in what I can only assume was yet another example of "I'm special and can bend the rules or demand them bent for me." ism.

Exactly debs, We have learned so much with the doc dumps etc from that case. Thats why I'm asking...with it being Florida, and LE wanting to get to the bottom of what happened to lil Haleigh :waitasec: if I was LE I definately would be taping/bugging the room even if they could never use it in court it would give them a clearer picture and focus

 

[atherella]

I don't know about generally, but in FL, the jail has every right to videotape a client and attorney conference. The Casey Anthony case taught me that, since her lawyers fought (unsuccessfully) to have this changed just for them, in what I can only assume was yet another example of "I'm special and can bend the rules or demand them bent for me." ism.

I don't know anything about that case, other than what I hear on Nancy Grace once in awhile. One crazy case is about all I can handle. :crazy:

That's really strange that the jail can record attorneys and clients in FL. In the two states I've worked, that's not permitted. Now I'm curious, though - I'll probably poke around later and see what the laws are in other states.

Thanks.

 

[debs]

I am speaking only of videoing the meeting; I have my doubts to the audio, but only because, like you, I can only handle so much crazy, and that particular case has bucketloads

 

[lonetraveler]

I for one would never believe anything a lying theiving person would ever say...How could you believe anything he would say about anything,,,much less about Haleigh. If anyone knows,,,could a person who in his mind and soul,,knows he is guilty of robbing people homes and whatever crimes he has commited, would this interfere with a polygraph test, even though it would be on a different subject ie: Haleigh

southernvagirl, I'll agree that Tommy would never pass the ethical, good character standard even on a good day but look at what we have to choose from. I haven't seen a single person involved with Haleigh's case who is a good, law abiding citizen. They all lie and fight like cats and dogs. I guess we'll just have to pick the lesser of the evils and try to find out whatever we can. That being said, I think there is a difference between a thief and a child murderer. We may have to take the word of a thief in this case, what else can we do? For some reason I'm more willing to believe him than I am Misty or Ron or Teresa or GGMS for that matter. Doesn't mean that I like Tommy because I don't, maybe I'm just desperate for information that may shed a bit of light on Haleigh's whereabouts. Anyway, I wonder who will choose the questions for the poly. I really, really do not think that Tommy's attorney will allow him to be asked anything incriminating to himself. So, all this may be for absolutely nothing.

 

[lonetraveler]

I would love for him to take a LDT administered by Law Enforcement and if they came out and stated that they were "satisfied" then I would love nothing more than to hear it and cross him off my list as to being involved in the Haleigh's disappearance.

I've never put much confidence in LE stating that they are "satisfied" with what a person says under questioning. It could be interpreted quite a few ways. One way being that LE is "satisfied" with the answers because the answers matched their suspicions. Or is "satisfied" with the results of the poly because they knew what the real answers were and were "satisfied" that their prediction that the person would lie was true.

 

[elle1919]

I've never put much confidence in LE stating that they are "satisfied" with what a person says under questioning. It could be interpreted quite a few ways. One way being that LE is "satisfied" with the answers because the answers matched their suspicions. Or is "satisfied" with the results of the poly because they knew what the real answers were and were "satisfied" that their prediction that the person would lie was true.

Point taken. Completely wrong use of the word satisfied.

 

[lonetraveler]

What I would really like to hear is LE giving a presser really clearing up anyone that they can to narrow the field a bit. I don't feel like we have moved very far in this case in the last thirteen plus months. :banghead::banghead:

 

[bessie]

What is the hold up on this polygraph asked Nancy Grace. Art Harris says " They are looking for the right polygrapher/ examiner." Hmm.. I bet LE has some good ones that would love to ask him a few questions. So, he doesn't trust the police. I wonder why. Maybe because he is criminal? Most criminal's don't have a very high opinion of the law or those that seek to enforce it. JMO

I think the point is that he doesn't trust local LE, and I can't say I blame him. How many arrests of Croslin's have occurred since Haleigh's disappearance? And how many prior? Further, local LE has put the squeeze not on one Croslin, but the entire family. I'm not excusing any illegal actions on their part, nor am I criticizing LE for their decisions. I'm just telling it like it is.

Polygraph examinations are inherently subjective. The examiner has the power to manipulate the questions to evoke certain responses, which are then interpreted by the very same examiner. If I were Tommy or his attorney, I would take all measures to ensure that the highest degree of objectivity is applied to the exam.

 

[elle1919]

I think the point is that he doesn't trust local LE, and I can't say I blame him. How many arrests of Croslin's have occurred since Haleigh's disappearance? And how many prior? Further, local LE has put the squeeze not on one Croslin, but the entire family. I'm not excusing any illegal actions on their part, nor am I criticizing LE for their decisions. I'm just telling it like it is.

Polygraph examinations are inherently subjective. The examiner has the power to manilpulate the questions to evoke certain responses, which are then interpreted by the very same examiner. If I were Tommy or his attorney, I would take all measures to ensure that the highest degree of objectivity is applied to the exam.

Understood bessie, but those pesky Law Enforcement agents, they sure are being persistent with The Croslin family aren't they. Maybe if they told the truth from the beginning they wouldn't have to be squeezed so hard. JMO

 

[KSH352]

attorney-client privilege- The legal rule ( Florida) that an attorney may not reveal communications, conversations and written material between the attorney and his or her client. Lawyers are expected to speak freely with a client without fear of future disclosure. The communication between a client and his or her attorney is considered sacred.

Wouldn't this mean that a law enforcement agency may not listen or record a conversation between client and attorney?
I'm going to ask tomorrow and find out if this is correct in the Clay County Jail, if it is the law then it would be the same for Putnam County too.

 

[cyndimb]

I think that Tommy requesting a private poly is due to the fact that it will be made public. Remember LE does not disclose results of a poly & I think Tommy wants the results for his proof that he is not involved. MOO

 

[Whisperer]

you are correct KSH but they are allowed to watch them and that is for security reasons.

 

[bessie]

Understood bessie, but those pesky Law Enforcement agents, they sure are being persistent with The Croslin family aren't they. Maybe if they told the truth from the beginning they wouldn't have to be squeezed so hard. JMO

Like I said, I don't condone their actions. My only interest is seeing the truth revealed. Frankly, I'll have more confidence in the results if the test is conducted by an independent examiner.

 

[Whisperer]

I am coming to the conclusion that Tommy is probably a kleptomaniac. This seems to fit. This label also comes with high anxiety. High anxiety is not good when taking polys. This is another who self medicates. He needs to be treated but don't know if he has ever been to a doctor or counselor. I wonder if his attorney has looked into this aspect..

 

[KSH352]

attorney-client privilege- The legal rule ( Florida) that an attorney may not reveal communications, conversations and written material between the attorney and his or her client. Lawyers are expected to speak freely with a client without fear of future disclosure. The communication between a client and his or her attorney is considered sacred.

Wouldn't this mean that a law enforcement agency may not listen or record a conversation between client and attorney?
I'm going to ask tomorrow and find out if this is correct in the Clay County Jail, if it is the law then it would be the same for Putnam County too.

I have the answer to my question.

The jail CAN NOT listen to, video or record any conversation between a client and his attorney. Even if the conversation is takes place in the jail.

Also if a private polygraph was give in the jail to the client while in jail Law enforcement does not have right to the results. They can't video it either.

 

[KSH352]

attorney-client privilege- The legal rule ( Florida) that an attorney may not reveal communications, conversations and written material between the attorney and his or her client. Lawyers are expected to speak freely with a client without fear of future disclosure. The communication between a client and his or her attorney is considered sacred.

Wouldn't this mean that a law enforcement agency may not listen or record a conversation between client and attorney?
I'm going to ask tomorrow and find out if this is correct in the Clay County Jail, if it is the law then it would be the same for Putnam County too.

I have the answer to my questions.

The jail CAN NOT listen to, video or record any conversation between a client and his attorney. Even if the conversation is takes place in the jail.

Also if a private polygraph was give in the jail to the client Law enforcement does not have rights to the results. They can't video it either.

 

[Whisperer]

But they do observe...at least they are supposed to. What they do inside of prisons is put the meeting place in an open cell area where one entire side is open and shielded by glass and anyone walking by can see them but can't hear them.

 

[4Jacy]

But they do observe...at least they are supposed to. What they do inside of prisons is put the meeting place in an open cell area where one entire side is open and shielded by glass and anyone walking by can see them but can't hear them.

With all your experience with the courts (on the good side), if anyone knows you should.

 

[txsvicki]

I am coming to the conclusion that Tommy is probably a kleptomaniac. This seems to fit. This label also comes with high anxiety. High anxiety is not good when taking polys. This is another who self medicates. He needs to be treated but don't know if he has ever been to a doctor or counselor. I wonder if his attorney has looked into this aspect..

He may be, but wouldn't something additional be going on if he went into homes at night while the homeowner was sleeping? I keep wondering what he planned to do if the lady woke up and recognized him, and if he wore a dark ski cap that covered his face.