2010.04.11 ~ Tommy and Gramma Hollars phone call

[suspicious1]

OK. ToC's attorney releases this tape. So, ToC will insist it was JO if charges are filed against him in H's homicide?

Is this your take?

Epiphany I think Tommy's attorney released that tape so that it would show that all those stories GMH was telling about him are completely false. He was trying to show us that Tommy never told those stories to her. Therefore, I tend to believe, that Tommy hasn't really implicated JO and that's why we don't hear him mention JO's name on tape.

Snipped from the article;

Attorney James Werter said it confirms what he had said before that
Croslin Jr. did not discuss Haleigh's matter with the details that Hollars told media.

In the roughly 9-minute recording released today, Croslin Jr. gave no specific details like that. He starts off telling his grandmother to get his lawyer to him, that he has to do something that should have been done already. He says he's scared and that "He's got to pay for it."

He doesn't mention Haleigh or Overstreet's names. But he does respond yes to Hollars' question is it the story Misty's saying about "Joe."

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[nanny2five]

Perhaps it is the media doing this favoritism thing. All of the phone calls can be requested under the FOIA, LE can redact and release - the media is requesting and the media is playing. I fail to see how that is LE's doing. The media can choose what they put up for hearing and what they don't. Perhaps this would be a good question to ask News Jax 4 - why no others, why just focusing on the Croslins.

ok, somebody help me out on the releasing of the phone calls. i just have a feeling that LE is in a unique position in this case regarding the sunshine law. i am not sure how it works and maybe some of you do. if the calls pertain to an ongoing investigation as in a crime that nobody has been charged with yet, do they have to release them?

 

[Zoe Bogart]

ok, somebody help me out on the releasing of the phone calls. i just have a feeling that LE is in a unique position in this case regarding the sunshine law. i am not sure how it works and maybe some of you do. if the calls pertain to an ongoing investigation as in a crime that nobody has been charged with yet, do they have to release them?

No. They can hold the information until someone is charged. Since ToC and Misty are in jail, their tapes can be released, but they don't have to be, because they aren't charged in Haleigh's case at this time.

 

[suspicious1]

It makes it difficult because the state wants answers on what happened to Haleigh, and they want to be told where to find her. RC and his attorney don't want to tell them. They just want to snitch on drug dealers and get a lesser sentence for RC. In other words, they want teflon man to slide right out of jail like he's done many times before with no consequences.

And that's my point AK. Why would they be pressuring Ron for answers about Haleigh if "he was at work"? What information would Ron be able to give if he had nothing to do with it? I'm confused

 

[wasalurker]

ok - it was released by ToC's lawyer.....but didn't LE state they were NOT going to release it as it was part of an ongoing investigation. IIRC they confirmed ToC did talk to Grandma but would not release the tape of the call due to the investigation.

So if they won't release it - why why why would ToC's lawyer release it? Can this cause more trouble for anyone (hindering an ongoing investigation?). I just cannot understand why if LE says no - the defense lawyer for ToC on a drug case - not even on Haleigh's case can release it - his client has not been charged with anything (yet) in regards to Haleigh.

I have a feeling we will be hearing from LE shortly regarding this release....JMOO

 

[raisincharlie]

ok, somebody help me out on the releasing of the phone calls. i just have a feeling that LE is in a unique position in this case regarding the sunshine law. i am not sure how it works and maybe some of you do. if the calls pertain to an ongoing investigation as in a crime that nobody has been charged with yet, do they have to release them?

LE does not have to release them to the media if it will, in their opinion, endanger the investigation. They retain the right to redact before anything is released. The full scope does not apply until someone is charged, then the sunshine laws kick in in full.

Now we learn that it was Tommy's lawyer that released this tape today - he provided it to the media, not LE.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

OK. ToC's attorney releases this tape. So, ToC will insist it was JO if charges are filed against him in H's homicide?

Is this your take?

I think there is one heck of a poker game going on. I think that is Tommy's plan to say Joe did it if charges are filed. What I wonder is if Tommy gave them any evidence to prove he was there(meaning Tommy). If he did that would mean charges for him if he can't prove with evidence that Joe did it.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

And that's my point AK. Why would they be pressuring Ron for answers about Haleigh if "he was at work"? What information would Ron be able to give if he had nothing to do with it? I'm confused

Assuming his werk alibi is true, he could have found out something from Misty or Tommy, or anyone else. He could have overheard conversations that could lead to the child or to evidence implicating Misty, Tommy, or whomever. They are trying to break him as well as they are trying to get info from the Croslins.

About the tape, it sounded like Grandma Hollars threw Joe under the bus and put the bus in high gear. Tommy didn't say "Joe", but Granny was more than willing to sacrifice that grandchild. Why? Baffling. If Werter was the one to release this tape, what did he want us to believe? Why?

 

[Cowdaddy]

"I have to do something that I sh... hard time for not telling what he knew then.

 

[Cowdaddy]

I think there is one heck of a poker game going on. I think that is Tommy's plan to say Joe did it if charges are filed. What I wonder is if Tommy gave them any evidence to prove he was there(meaning Tommy). If he did that would mean charges for him if he can't prove with evidence that Joe did it.

If Joe did it, I sure don't see how Tommy can provide any evidence of it now. He missed his chance on February 10, 2009.

Maybe if he and Misty and somebody else can give the exact same details regarding certain things, it could happen. But if it could happen, I think it already would have happened.

 

[Native Pride]

what i dont get is ....ToC doesn't mention a name...
but i think i heard him say that the person could run ...n he didnt want the person to hurt his children
so to me on April 11 ToC is referring to someone who is FREE to run n has the ability to harm his children??


wasn't misty having convo in jail with her dad and crying it wasn't fair that someone was out there free and she was in jail???



and than didn't she say to her momma?
2 ppl are gonna be hurt ....1 the mom would care about n the other maybe not so much ???

so if it isn't Jo who is walking free i doubt it be TiC either as wouldn't MC Momma care about both sons


ugh sorry for rambling
this case could seriously drive me to drink

 

[lynnb]

here's what I find so odd about this phone call. The reactions of the phone call. This call was supposedly made on April 11th. I would say it's a safe bet that this call was discussed with Ron's attorney. What I find so odd is that on April 11th, they want us to believe that Tommy told the "truth" about what happened to Haleigh and on April 18th, Ron's attorney makes the following statements.
"He's still hoping that if Misty did know something -- and it appears she did -- he's hoping it was something she was forced to do, threatened to do, and that's why she wouldn't talk to him," Terry Shoemaker said. "
and
"There's not anger. There's disappointment that she didn't feel she could come forward and tell him what may have happened that night -- if she in fact knew," Shoemaker said.
http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/t...154929&catid=3
IMO, not the reaction you would expect from a father who finally learned the "truth" about his daughter who has been missing for over a year.

 

[suspicious1]

What I don't get is that Misty was given a LDT about the events involving Jo and Tommy....It was all a lie. She did not pass it. jus sayin'

 

[ladonna]

Any news of Tommy in court today?

 

[Emeralgem]

What I don't get is that Misty was given a LDT about the events involving Jo and Tommy....It was all a lie. She did not pass it. jus sayin'

IIRC... Some questions asked pertained to allegations about Jo threatening her and the LDT revealed she had never been threated by Jo... This leads me to also believe Jo isn't the person Tommy C has been fearful of for over a year now.. All JMO..

 

[lonetraveler]

I'm always a day late and a dollar short. Y'all been talking about this all day. I'm just getting into this case for today. I've been listening and I would wish GMHollar would just shut up and let Tommy say everything in his own words instead of her putting words into his mouth.

 

[lonetraveler]

IIRC... Some questions asked pertained to allegations about Jo threatening her and the LDT revealed she had never been threated by Jo... This leads me to also believe Jo isn't the person Tommy C has been fearful of for over a year now.. All JMO..

I can remember one of the jail phone calls Tommy had with his father. Tommy told his father that he was not going to do what LE wanted him to do and that was to roll over on Joe. He just could not do that to someone who was not involved. He said that he just could not do that.

I agree, Emeralgem, I think that LE was like a gnat on a hog's behind until Tommy broke and took the bait and rolled over on the one that LE wanted him to roll over on. Sounds bad, I know, but that is exactly what I've been thinking every since the search in the St. Johns at the boat ramp. I think that Tommy was given this location by Misty.:banghead:

 

[lonetraveler]

What I don't get is that Misty was given a LDT about the events involving Jo and Tommy....It was all a lie. She did not pass it. jus sayin'

I have always been more than curious about the questions asked concerning Joe and Tommy on those LDT. The questions are the most important part of this equation, IMO. If asked a certain way and a deception is indicated, it can change the entire case.

 

[suspicious1]

I can remember one of the jail phone calls Tommy had with his father. Tommy told his father that he was not going to do what LE wanted him to do and that was to roll over on Joe. He just could not do that to someone who was not involved. He said that he just could not do that.

I agree, Emeralgem, I think that LE was like a gnat on a hog's behind until Tommy broke and took the bait and rolled over on the one that LE wanted him to roll over on. Sounds bad, I know, but that is exactly what I've been thinking every since the search in the St. Johns at the boat ramp. I think that Tommy was given this location by Misty.:banghead:

And not only that Lone, on one tape Tommy implied that Misty was covering for Ron. Not Jo. Ron. The Croslins seem to have implied this on several occassions.

 

[lonetraveler]

what i dont get is ....ToC doesn't mention a name...but i think i heard him say that the person could run ...n he didnt want the person to hurt his children
so to me on April 11 ToC is referring to someone who is FREE to run n has the ability to harm his children??


wasn't misty having convo in jail with her dad and crying it wasn't fair that someone was out there free and she was in jail???



and than didn't she say to her momma?
2 ppl are gonna be hurt ....1 the mom would care about n the other maybe not so much ???

so if it isn't Jo who is walking free i doubt it be TiC either as wouldn't MC Momma care about both sons


ugh sorry for rambling
this case could seriously drive me to drink

BBM: Yep, Grandma Hollars cut him off at the pass and Tommy didn't get the name out. Grandma even quickly gave him another story that she heard so that he could hear it and maybe build on it. This is very frustrating............