2010.04.13 Theories thread as a result of the search

[Bittiness39]

I've just never understood this story from the beginning. The changing of stories, mostly by Misty, the players involved in this instance...it appears like a delicate situation for LE to navigate through. Most of the people involved either use or deal drugs. Naturally, they would be suspicious of LE, but I still wonder why this is all coming down today. If it is true that Tommy led LE to the area where Haleigh was dumped why did it take so long...unless quite a variety of people are covering their own collective hides? I just don't think RC was involved in the actual doing away with and disposing of Haleigh...that is not to say I don't think he is a negligent parent.

If the story is not true, than I still think Misty was complicit in giving Haleigh over to someone (whether that is JO or someone else) and she knows what she did was wrong. But I do think her drug addiction does play a role in this. (allegedly). JMO

 

[LisaNY]

I think Haleigh may have gotten into some of RC's pills and od'd. I think this happened BEFORE RC went to werk, and instead of taking her to the hosp, they thought she would just sleep it off. MC goes to check on her later, and she is dead. She calls Ron and he tells her how to take care of things. She has her brother Timmy & cousin Joe come with the van to help her dump the body. Ron starts going nuts at work because he doesn't know whats going on, makes all the unanswered calls to Misty, then calls Tommy to go over to see where MC is, why she isn't answering his call ... Ron finishes his shift & stops at the store (create alibi) and then goes home and 911 call is staged. I think Tommy did not want to implicate his sister, and was sincere when he was telling her to tell everything she knows. I think when she said to her sister in law it would hurt 2 people, she meant Ron (who they don't care for, not anymore at least) and Timmy (who they don't want to hurt) this is moo

 

[Lanie]

i have a few theories that i have been working on for a while and IF tc was the first to talk, that fits with one of my theories. i started by trying to figure out who they are all so willing to cover for bc thats really the key, right? mc is covering for rc in some way, either bc he personally did something or he's covering for someone else and told her what to say. this theory requires that Haleigh was not in school on that mon. and since i havent seen anything concrete saying she was (unless u want to count a possibly doctored/obviously copied school roll record) im still counting it possible that she was not. anything could have happened while Haleigh was where ever she was the weekend prior to her disappearing while mc was in party hearty mode. its possible that ggms took too many of those prescription pills she is rumored to be fond of and took a long hard nap, leaving the kids to fend for themselves. maybe Haleigh got into THAT medicine and od'd. maybe thats why tn was there so quickly, already knowing what she was walking into. maybe thats why its so confusing. bc none of the younger ones did it and maybe mc isnt even sure what happened. maybe ron told her that he would forgive her and marry her if she would come back and follow the script. i kinda think that tn & as are the only ones rc would cover for. if he, tc and jo were in it the same, as in covering it up, that would explain rc covering for jo. maybe tc was the weak link and thats why the headless rat. maybe mc got told a lot of different stories plus the lies she was told to tell, so she couldnt pass a poly to save her life. just a theory, feel free to shoot holes in it

My biggest problem with this is I don't think TN and AS would have been walking out if this were true.

I don't have any good theories. The closest I have come to kind of explaining how everything has played out is if Misty somehow convinced Ron his son, Jr., had done something that caused Haleigh's death. Now, Ron is sitting in jail looking at a possible 25 year sentence, he has lost his daughter, and basically has now lost his son. He's had a lot of time to ruminate over the past year, and maybe thought he put two and two together. He tells someone who has come to visit him what he is thinking, and asks them to go check it out. That person does, finds something, and takes it to LE. JMHO, and not much of an opinion at that.
Anyway, I have to give at least a little bit of credence to the poster at the other site, who claimed his/her father had solved this, and it would be on the news in the morning, because that just seems too big of a coincidence to swallow.

 

[Nore]

i have a few theories that i have been working on for a while and IF tc was the first to talk, that fits with one of my theories. i started by trying to figure out who they are all so willing to cover for bc thats really the key, right? mc is covering for rc in some way, either bc he personally did something or he's covering for someone else and told her what to say. this theory requires that Haleigh was not in school on that mon. and since i havent seen anything concrete saying she was (unless u want to count a possibly doctored/obviously copied school roll record) im still counting it possible that she was not. anything could have happened while Haleigh was where ever she was the weekend prior to her disappearing while mc was in party hearty mode. its possible that ggms took too many of those prescription pills she is rumored to be fond of and took a long hard nap, leaving the kids to fend for themselves. maybe Haleigh got into THAT medicine and od'd. maybe thats why tn was there so quickly, already knowing what she was walking into. maybe thats why its so confusing. bc none of the younger ones did it and maybe mc isnt even sure what happened. maybe ron told her that he would forgive her and marry her if she would come back and follow the script. i kinda think that tn & as are the only ones rc would cover for. if he, tc and jo were in it the same, as in covering it up, that would explain rc covering for jo. maybe tc was the weak link and thats why the headless rat. maybe mc got told a lot of different stories plus the lies she was told to tell, so she couldnt pass a poly to save her life. just a theory, feel free to shoot holes in it

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Hi nanny2five, I feel somewhat like you do.Maybe ggms or tn was responsible in some way.If the family is covering for someone,they wouldn't do it for just anyone.I have had a hard time (along with everyone else) keeping up with this case. It is not at all cut and dried.I think many will be surprised by the outcome. LE. may have done a lot more testing on all and we dont know it. I just pray they can find Hayleigh and give her peace,also to her mom. The biggest problem has been the fact they all lie.:banghead:

 

[pittsburghgirl]

I think Ron C. was at work. Haleigh and Jr. were put in bed. Misty, Tommy and Joe were in the trailer. No doubt drugs were involved. Misty may have been there the whole time or she may have left.

Remember that Ron Jr. said he woke up and saw a man taking his sister. That would be Joe. He also saw the couch bouncing--that would be some kind of sexual act, either someone with Misty or God forbid an attack on Haleigh. I don't buy the idea that the motive was some stupid revenge over a gun, although I am prepared to be wrong about that. Kidnapping and killing a child can get someone the death penalty. My guess--and that's what it is--would be that Joe is a sex offender and he counted on the family ties to keep his secret. Misty and Tommy might have played some role in what happened (leaving the two alone for a while? letting Joe stay there after Misty herself went to sleep? The fact the Joe is not an RSO doesn't mean that he isn't a sex offender. The astros on the astro thread for Haleigh have said all along it was a sexual motive and not by a blood relative.

It's hard to know how he could take Haleigh without a fight from Misty, but she may have fallen asleep or perhaps Joe had a gun. The propped open door, etc.--all smokescreen.

I will say that I am sadly surprised that after Ron and his blood relatives were part of the LE meeting that included Crystal and her family, and after Crystal is reported as saying that Joe killed Haleigh, people are still trying to pin Haleigh's disappearance and death on Ron or his mother or his great-grandmother. If they did it, then LE is delusional, because they seem to think that the Cummings family, like Crystal and her family, are the next of kin of the victim, and thus victims themselves.

Misty did, in fact, point the finger at her cousin, but she probably couldn't tell the whole truth because it would incriminate her and Tommy. She might also have been following the "don't snitch" code common to many very young people and to habitual criminals and their family members.

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Here is what confuses me about the whole "Is Ron involved?":

Misty says she was home doing laundry and went to bed
>> Ron says there was no laundry detergent and the bed hadn't been slept in

Misty says Joe was at the mh that night
>> Ron says he wasn't

One of the Grandma's confirms a fight between Ron and Joe over a gun
>> Ron says it didn't happen

Tommy says Ron sent him to the mh to check on Misty
>> Ron says it didn't happen


It seems any opportunity RC's had to point in anyone's direction, he doesn't. He adamantly denies things that likely happened with said possible suspects. WHY? It's almost like he's putting his all into covering for these guys since he has an alibi because, as we all know, HE WAS AT WERK!

 

[gibby207]

Here is what confuses me about the whole "Is Ron involved?":

Misty says she was home doing laundry and went to bed
>> Ron says there was no laundry detergent and the bed hadn't been slept in

Misty says Joe was at the mh that night
>> Ron says he wasn't

One of the Grandma's confirms a fight between Ron and Joe over a gun
>> Ron says it didn't happen

Tommy says Ron sent him to the mh to check on Misty
>> Ron says it didn't happen

Exactly... now I'm well known as the fence sitter on whether or not Ron had anything to do with HaLeigh's disappearance, but these issues (as well as others) keep popping up. Soooo... either:

A) Ron is telling the truth

or

B) The others are telling the truth

Joe may be arrested for knowing certain things, but I don't think he had the direct hand in HaLeigh's disappearance. I think it was true when they said they had the "suspect in custody."

 

[LillieBelle]

I think Haleigh may have gotten into some of RC's pills and od'd. I think this happened BEFORE RC went to werk, and instead of taking her to the hosp, they thought she would just sleep it off. MC goes to check on her later, and she is dead. She calls Ron and he tells her how to take care of things. She has her brother Timmy & cousin Joe come with the van to help her dump the body. Ron starts going nuts at work because he doesn't know whats going on, makes all the unanswered calls to Misty, then calls Tommy to go over to see where MC is, why she isn't answering his call ... Ron finishes his shift & stops at the store (create alibi) and then goes home and 911 call is staged. I think Tommy did not want to implicate his sister, and was sincere when he was telling her to tell everything she knows. I think when she said to her sister in law it would hurt 2 people, she meant Ron (who they don't care for, not anymore at least) and Timmy (who they don't want to hurt) this is moo

IMHO-Best theory so far- makes sense to me. The fear of Joe one doesn't...

 

[pittsburghgirl]

Here is what confuses me about the whole "Is Ron involved?":

Misty says she was home doing laundry and went to bed
>> Ron says there was no laundry detergent and the bed hadn't been slept in

Misty says Joe was at the mh that night
>> Ron says he wasn't

One of the Grandma's confirms a fight between Ron and Joe over a gun
>> Ron says it didn't happen

Tommy says Ron sent him to the mh to check on Misty
>> Ron says it didn't happen


It seems any opportunity RC's had to point in anyone's direction, he doesn't. He adamantly denies things that likely happened with said possible suspects. WHY? It's almost like he's putting his all into covering for these guys since he has an alibi because, as we all know, HE WAS AT WERK!

Well, if Tommy is involved in the disappearance or was covering for Joe, he has to explain his presence in or at the mobile home. He may also have been lying to cover for MISTY, by saying he knocked and nobody answered, which could mean that everyone was asleep (or Misty was out, therefore creating lots more confusion.) That would mean Ron was telling the truth about that.

Misty was lying about the laundry and the bed. That's apparent, really. So Ron was telling the truth on that score also.

Let's assume, for the purposes of this post, that Ron was at work (in spite of all the speculation, that has never been disproved.) If that is the case, then he could only have second-hand knowledge of who was at the mobile home. The source of that knowledge could only be Misty or little Ron Jr., if they were the only two home, per. Misty's "doing laundry" scenario or some other individual (family member, friend, or LE), who heard it from Misty. So if Ron believed Joe wasn't there, it would most likely be because Misty lied to him. One thing about liars is that they are necessarily inconsistent, as they have no fixed reference point. They can't work from the truth, because that is what they are hiding. It's likely that Misty's various stories created this confusion about whether Joe was there or not. In fact, it's actually one of the main clues as to Joe's involvement that Misty has clearly told conflicting stories about Joe's presence.

The only real debate about a fight over the gun would include Ron, Joe and whoever else was present. If a "grandma" is telling the story, she would have had it second hand, unless she was present. The "fight over the gun" story could be more Misty/Tommy b.s.; perhaps the gun story made for a more palatable story than Joe being a pedophile. Or perhaps a gun is involved in the story (Joe stealing a gun from Ron) and Misty was throwing Ron under the bus ("It's his fault that Joe took his daughter...)

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Exactly... now I'm well known as the fence sitter on whether or not Ron had anything to do with HaLeigh's disappearance, but these issues (as well as others) keep popping up. Soooo... either:

A) Ron is telling the truth

or

B) The others are telling the truth

Joe may be arrested for knowing certain things, but I don't think he had the direct hand in HaLeigh's disappearance. I think it was true when they said they had the "suspect in custody."

The way I see it . . . . If RC is telling the truth, the whole bunch of them got together and conspired all this against RC -- and that includes his family because of the fight story. If he's lying . . . WHY? If he had nothing to do with this, why would he need to lie about what MC was doing, a fight with Joe, a missing gun, if he sent TC to the mh? Seems to me, IF one of them might have had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance, he'd be all over that. The fight with Joe coud be motive. TC came by, could have done something. Just seems very odd to me that the likely POI's are being adamantly defended by RC. While everyone else has been pointing fingers, RC sits back and smugly reminds us that he was at work.

 

[butterfly1978]

I had a long day today and have still not eaten dinner. I was just going to make me a BLT and have let my bacon burn twice now...... and tomorrow I have to take care of my mom. 15 months of following this case and I dont have the time to see it resolved, UGGG please let today be Haleighs day. The lord is working over time answering prayers today, between Nadia and now possably Haleigh. Thank you Lord!

 

[YellowSubmarine]

The only real debate about a fight over the gun would include Ron, Joe and whoever else was present. If a "grandma" is telling the story, she would have had it second hand, unless she was present. The "fight over the gun" story could be more Misty/Tommy b.s.; perhaps the gun story made for a more palatable story than Joe being a pedophile. Or perhaps a gun is involved in the story (Joe stealing a gun from Ron) and Misty was throwing Ron under the bus ("It's his fault that Joe took his daughter...)

~ Respectfully snipped ~

It's been awhile, but it seems the Gma that confirmed the story did witness it. It happened on her porch or something. She said Joe said "He'll get what's coming to him", or something very close to that. This happened the day or two before Haleighs disappearance.

Soooo . . . if this DID happen, why is RC lying about it when it could be possible motive? If this DID NOT happen, why would Gma make the story up?

 

[grace60]

Misty seems so fuzzy with all stories. She has said her brother and cousin messed with her when she was younger. I wonder if Joe and Tommy slipped her some ghb, date rape drug? They may have messed with her that night and taken Haleigh while she was out and that's why she said she had a dream. Maybe they were on Misty when JR said he saw the couch bouncing?

 

[dodie20]

Here is what confuses me about the whole "Is Ron involved?":

Misty says she was home doing laundry and went to bed
>> Ron says there was no laundry detergent and the bed hadn't been slept in

Misty says Joe was at the mh that night
>> Ron says he wasn't

One of the Grandma's confirms a fight between Ron and Joe over a gun
>> Ron says it didn't happen

Tommy says Ron sent him to the mh to check on Misty
>> Ron says it didn't happen


It seems any opportunity RC's had to point in anyone's direction, he doesn't. He adamantly denies things that likely happened with said possible suspects. WHY? It's almost like he's putting his all into covering for these guys since he has an alibi because, as we all know, HE WAS AT WERK!

That is an extremely good explanation of why Ron hasn't pointed fingers @ these guys. He wants to leave well enough alone, because his backside is covered. But, Misty has pointed her finger, & so has Teresa. Maybe those 2 don't know everything.

 

[GhstTrkn]

I think Ron C. was at work. Haleigh and Jr. were put in bed. Misty, Tommy and Joe were in the trailer. No doubt drugs were involved. Misty may have been there the whole time or she may have left.

Remember that Ron Jr. said he woke up and saw a man taking his sister. That would be Joe. He also saw the couch bouncing--that would be some kind of sexual act, either someone with Misty or God forbid an attack on Haleigh. I don't buy the idea that the motive was some stupid revenge over a gun, although I am prepared to be wrong about that. Kidnapping and killing a child can get someone the death penalty. My guess--and that's what it is--would be that Joe is a sex offender and he counted on the family ties to keep his secret. Misty and Tommy might have played some role in what happened (leaving the two alone for a while? letting Joe stay there after Misty herself went to sleep? The fact the Joe is not an RSO doesn't mean that he isn't a sex offender. The astros on the astro thread for Haleigh have said all along it was a sexual motive and not by a blood relative.

It's hard to know how he could take Haleigh without a fight from Misty, but she may have fallen asleep or perhaps Joe had a gun. The propped open door, etc.--all smokescreen.

I will say that I am sadly surprised that after Ron and his blood relatives were part of the LE meeting that included Crystal and her family, and after Crystal is reported as saying that Joe killed Haleigh, people are still trying to pin Haleigh's disappearance and death on Ron or his mother or his great-grandmother. If they did it, then LE is delusional, because they seem to think that the Cummings family, like Crystal and her family, are the next of kin of the victim, and thus victims themselves.

Misty did, in fact, point the finger at her cousin, but she probably couldn't tell the whole truth because it would incriminate her and Tommy. She might also have been following the "don't snitch" code common to many very young people and to habitual criminals and their family members.

This is one theory that I can agree with. I think if LE believed that RC had anything to do with it then they wouldn't have included him in the meeting today. unless, like i said on another thread it was to see his reaction when told...though they could have done that by telling him in his jail cell.

 

[Maryann123]

If it turns out that Haleigh is found in the river, then somebody gave up the correct location of where the body was dumped. Period! I do not believe the two people being named are the ones that did it. Ronald just happened to mention a while back that cousin Joe liked to fish there! Bull! Did he even know Joe before his visit in February? He was in Florida for only 2 weeks, how much affection can you get for a fishing hole in 2 weeks? I'm thinking psychic Ronald has done it again! He directed Misty to his "stolen" gun, through his psychic abilities, and now he's found his daughter's body by the same powers. They should let this guy out of jail right now, and hire him as a detective. What's the chance of this happening? Twice! Dear lord, I hope LE knows better than this!

 

[pittsburghgirl]

The way I see it . . . . If RC is telling the truth, the whole bunch of them got together and conspired all this against RC -- and that includes his family because of the fight story. If he's lying . . . WHY? If he had nothing to do with this, why would he need to lie about what MC was doing, a fight with Joe, a missing gun, if he sent TC to the mh? Seems to me, IF one of them might have had something to do with Haleigh's disappearance, he'd be all over that. The fight with Joe coud be motive. TC came by, could have done something. Just seems very odd to me that the likely POI's are being adamantly defended by RC. While everyone else has been pointing fingers, RC sits back and smugly reminds us that he was at work.

I don't see any "conspiring against RC," other than in the attack on his daughter. See my comment above. RC can be telling the truth on all of these fronts. We know Misty has failed 4 polygraphs and we can deduce that Tommy failed one also, given these events and the fact that his attorney has declined to represent him in the case regarding Haleigh. RC is not "defending" anyone. That idea is a residue of people's reaction to his marriage to Misty and his continued relationship with her. In these instances, Ron may be saying either what he knows or what he believes, but what he says doesn't conform to what Misty and the rest of them are saying--because Misty and Tommy and Joe can't tell the truth about their own actions without incriminating themselves. Hence, where their accounts differ from anyone else's, it's probably because Misty and Tommy are covering up for themselves.

Ron may well have believed some of what Tommy and Misty said (even if what they said was a lie) but disputed those points that he knew, first hand, were not true. Remember that most of us would have a hard time believing that people we know would murder our child or allowed our child to be murdered. Listen to all the folks on NG struggling with the idea that Misty would just let Joe take Haleigh. And they don't even know Misty, other than to know she lies. It is worth noting that Crystal has not been out there pointing fingers at the guilty or those she thought were guilty, either. LE often asks parents to not reveal their own thoughts to the media, for obvious reasons.

I am at the point now where I think that even if all three (Misty, Tommy and Joe) confess to their role in Haleigh's disappearance and murder, there are people who will continue to insist that they are all covering up for Ron (even though he has an alibi--however much anyone wants to mock the fact that he was at work.) Anyone can fault Ron for leaving his kids with a terrible, negligent "caretaker," and for his involvement with drugs and the sleazy and sometimes dangerous people who sell and use them. He is going to pay a lifetime price for those bad judgments. He put his kids at risk with disastrous results. But even a parent with bad judgment can love his kids and bad judgment is not an indicator of murder. Ron was at work.

 

[dodie20]

I think Ron C. was at work. Haleigh and Jr. were put in bed. Misty, Tommy and Joe were in the trailer. No doubt drugs were involved. Misty may have been there the whole time or she may have left.

Remember that Ron Jr. said he woke up and saw a man taking his sister. That would be Joe. He also saw the couch bouncing--that would be some kind of sexual act, either someone with Misty or God forbid an attack on Haleigh. I don't buy the idea that the motive was some stupid revenge over a gun, although I am prepared to be wrong about that. Kidnapping and killing a child can get someone the death penalty. My guess--and that's what it is--would be that Joe is a sex offender and he counted on the family ties to keep his secret. Misty and Tommy might have played some role in what happened (leaving the two alone for a while? letting Joe stay there after Misty herself went to sleep? The fact the Joe is not an RSO doesn't mean that he isn't a sex offender. The astros on the astro thread for Haleigh have said all along it was a sexual motive and not by a blood relative.

It's hard to know how he could take Haleigh without a fight from Misty, but she may have fallen asleep or perhaps Joe had a gun. The propped open door, etc.--all smokescreen.

I will say that I am sadly surprised that after Ron and his blood relatives were part of the LE meeting that included Crystal and her family, and after Crystal is reported as saying that Joe killed Haleigh, people are still trying to pin Haleigh's disappearance and death on Ron or his mother or his great-grandmother. If they did it, then LE is delusional, because they seem to think that the Cummings family, like Crystal and her family, are the next of kin of the victim, and thus victims themselves.

Misty did, in fact, point the finger at her cousin, but she probably couldn't tell the whole truth because it would incriminate her and Tommy. She might also have been following the "don't snitch" code common to many very young people and to habitual criminals and their family members.

I could see a lot of what you say, but exactly why do you think Haleigh was killed? to keep her quiet? that seems too risky, if other people were there & knew. Misty pointing her finger @ all, makes me think that she wouldn't follow the 'no snitch' code-@ least with these 2. But, if she was really, really, wasted, somebody could've taken advantage of her state. It's possible that she was in such a drug stupor, that she only has a foggy, 'dream-like' recollection, of that night. Also, if she was as exhausted as Teresa claimed, she may have been impossible to wake up, as her dad claimed from previous experience. & Tommy would know that. Would Joe?

 

[Maryann123]

Last thought before bed. If it turns out that she is telling the truth about this (and I highly doubt it) I will never believe the claims that polygraphs are excellent tools. No, I'll never believe there have any value at all! Misty gave this story under a poly and flunked miserably! I don't think I would ever agree to take one. And where does that put Tommy? They say he flunked. Was he telling the truth too?

 

[dodie20]

I don't see any "conspiring against RC," other than in the attack on his daughter. See my comment above. RC can be telling the truth on all of these fronts. We know Misty has failed 4 polygraphs and we can deduce that Tommy failed one also, given these events and the fact that his attorney has declined to represent him in the case regarding Haleigh. RC may not be "defending" anyone. He may be saying either what he knows or what he believes, but it doesn't conform to what Misty and the rest of them are saying--because they can't tell the truth about their own actions without incriminating themselves. Hence, where there accounts differ from anyone else's, it's probably because Misty and Tommy are covering up for themselves.

Ron may well have believed some of what Tommy and Misty said (even if what they said was a lie) but disputed those points that he knew, first hand, were not true. Remember that most of us would have a hard time believing that people we know would murder our child or allowed our child to be murdered. It is worth noting that Crystal has not been out there pointing fingers at the guilty or those she thought were guilty, either. LE often asks parents to not reveal their own thoughts to the media, for obvious reasons.

I am at the point now where I think that even if all three (Misty, Tommy and Joe) confess to their role in Haleigh's disappearance and murder, there are people who will continue to insist that they are all covering up for Ron (even though he has an alibi--however much anyone wants to mock the fact that he was at work.)

I did see Crystal on the Nancy Grace show, & she made a point to say that she thought Misty AND Ron, knew more than they were saying. If LE officially clears Ron, I won't have a problem with that. If he didn't do it, he didn't do it. But, if LE claims that Ron had no knowledge of the crime, & wasn't involved in a cover-up, I will have a problem with that. He's a smart man, & has known what went down.