2010.04.13 Theories thread as a result of the search

[LaLaw2000]

I just cannot see a motive in this case, try as I might.

1.) Haleigh could have been injured getting inbetween Ronald and Misty in their ongoing argument about Misty's weekend activities. She may have been given an Oxy by Ronald and Misty due to her injuries.

2.) I can see Ronald giving Haleigh an Oxy out of his stash so that she would sleep. Misty had not wanted to babysit that night, IIRC. I also recall someone saying that TN even offered to pay Misty to babysit. Haleigh could have od'ed and Misty called the guys to help her get Haleigh from the mobile home. Haleigh had not died yet, but was unresponsive and Misty thought she was dead.

Those are 2 scenarios I can see. I just cannot see a motive no matter how hard I try. One thing I do feel from the depths of my being is that Ronald is involved in Haleigh's death in some way. Tommy, Joe, and most likely Timmy was promised something for helping dispose of Haleigh, IMO.

I do not trust anything that comes out of Chelsea's mouth after her performance on NG last night. I believe that she was drugged to the gills. I do not know how her appearance came about; whether she offered to come on the show, or she was asked. However, either way, I think her goal was to be able to say on national TV that Timmy was asleep beside her that night and had not gone out. I do not believe her. I think the whole Croslin and Cummings families know what happened to little Haleigh. The only Croslin that may not know the full story would be Lindsy, IMO, but I do believe she is close to telling what of it she does know or may already have.

I also just wonder how long it will be before Ronald asks to go back into a one man cell. Going into GP gives some inmate the opportunity to come out and say that Ronald told him this or that, IMO. I think he came out of GP for a reason and that is to get information to someone on the outside by an inmate who will be getting out soon. Anyway, I do not expect that Ronald will stay in GP. He will either get into trouble or ask to go back to a one man cell, IMO.

I think J.O. is a 'fall guy' and a little punk who has some punky friends. He, Tommy, and maybe Timmy are followers, IMO, and would help Misty if she needed them to. I see Ronald as the leader in this.

I detest them all except for Lindsy and all of the children. IMO, Lindsy is slowly realizing that she and her children need out of that family. She has been so used by the Croslins.

MOO's, and sorry for the long post!

 

[dodie20]

I actually have theory sort of like yours. In the beginning, they all seemed so darned sure that Haleigh was coming home-even Cyrstal & cops. I really thought that Ron or someone had given Crystal a heads up & she trusted him to get her back. In this theory, Ron knew that he could get her back, for a price, but the publicity swooped in, accusations started flying about his lifestyle, & Ron panicked because things were getting WAY out of control. Rumors were flying that Haleigh was being hidden & safe. Those are unusual in a missing child case, & watching their demeanors, I think that at the least, they really believed them-even if they were made up as a smokescreen, to buy time. So, what happened? I don't know, but I think it's possible that Haleigh was kidnapped, but not killed until later, because for whatever reason, a deal wasn't made, or they all panicked & did something themselves. That sounds horrible, but it's no worse than what we've been hearing & it would explain a cover up.

But all of the hidden & safe rumors could've been planted, to throw the cops off. I don't put anything past this bunch. If Crystal was reassured with some wild story, I'm sure that she told LE who told her. But when Geraldo was in Ron's face, you could tell his lifestyle had never been questioned, & he didn't like the judgement or scrutiny. I'm sure it was coming from every direction.

 

[harleysnana]

This is what I think happened….
I think that earlier that day Tommy and Joe came over to hang out with Misty
and figure out how stealing the gun would go down.
(In Misty’s letter she said she knew they were coming to steal the gun so
there had to be some type of conversation about it)

After the kids were asleep two men dressed in black (Joe and Tommy) came
to get the gun.
Haleigh woke up and saw something (I’m not sure what) and I think Misty
may have done something to her (hit her in the head with a board?)
They put her on the couch and started CPR (the bouncing couch) and either
she died or they thought she was about to so Tommy and Joe told Misty they
would take care of “it” (“someone in black took sissy”) and told Misty to
stage the crime scene.
Misty kept remembering little “details” as her and Tommy probably talked and
had to add things to try and keep the story going.

I think that it was someone from LE who told granny that Misty hit Haleigh in
the head knowing that granny could put pressure on Misty.
I think Tommy has admitted to dumping her in the river with Joe and I think
Joe may have also admitted it (his attorneys comment about him not
admitting to murder)

I think Tommy took them to the river to show where they dumped her.
I don’t think Misty knew where they took her… just that they did.
I think they took Misty to the river to show here where Tommy admitted they
dumped her to shake her up.

I think Tommy and Joe have admitted their part in this.
I think Misty is the one who actually killed her and they are trying to put the
pressure on her to admit her part.
I don’t think Ron had anything to do with it… and after having a son in law
like Ron I could probably explain away all the phone calls… the rat… etc.

Hope this makes sense…
All this is JMO

 

[krowdkat]

Harleysnana, that's a pretty plausible theory in my opinion. Although, I would think LE would have arrested Joe if he admitted to them that he helped dispose of Haleigh's poor little body. So, my guess is that Joe has admitted nothing.

 

[dodie20]

This is what I think happened….
I think that earlier that day Tommy and Joe came over to hang out with Misty
and figure out how stealing the gun would go down.
(In Misty’s letter she said she knew they were coming to steal the gun so
there had to be some type of conversation about it)

After the kids were asleep two men dressed in black (Joe and Tommy) came
to get the gun.
Haleigh woke up and saw something (I’m not sure what) and I think Misty
may have done something to her (hit her in the head with a board?)
They put her on the couch and started CPR (the bouncing couch) and either
she died or they thought she was about to so Tommy and Joe told Misty they
would take care of “it” (“someone in black took sissy&#8221 and told Misty to
stage the crime scene.
Misty kept remembering little “details” as her and Tommy probably talked and
had to add things to try and keep the story going.

I think that it was someone from LE who told granny that Misty hit Haleigh in
the head knowing that granny could put pressure on Misty.
I think Tommy has admitted to dumping her in the river with Joe and I think
Joe may have also admitted it (his attorneys comment about him not
admitting to murder)

I think Tommy took them to the river to show where they dumped her.
I don’t think Misty knew where they took her… just that they did.
I think they took Misty to the river to show here where Tommy admitted they
dumped her to shake her up.

I think Tommy and Joe have admitted their part in this.
I think Misty is the one who actually killed her and they are trying to put the
pressure on her to admit her part.
I don’t think Ron had anything to do with it… and after having a son in law
like Ron I could probably explain away all the phone calls… the rat… etc.

Hope this makes sense…
All this is JMO

I don't think LE would tell Granny anything about Misty. I think she heard that from one of the Cummings, because she did admit talking to them. In your theory, why does Misty hit Haleigh with a board? & if she saw something incriminating enough to bash her in the head, why turn around & perform CPR?

 

[Curious Me]

I still need to catch up on this thread, but something is bugging me.

Is there any chance, whoever knew exactly where the cinder blocks and body were in the lake, later came back and got the remains to relocate? I'm sorry, but it has been 14 mos, and I don't think they found the supposely yellow rope. I pray they did find something that would connect Haleigh (hate typing that) in with finding some cinder blocks.

 

[dodie20]

I don't think LE would tell Granny anything about Misty. I think she heard that from one of the Cummings, because she did admit talking to them. In your theory, why does Misty hit Haleigh with a board? & if she saw something incriminating enough to bash her in the head, why turn around & perform CPR?

maybe when those 2 realized that the gun wasn't there, they started beating Misty up, & Haleigh trying to intervene, got bashed? maybe that's why they took her? This would be a lot easier to speculate on, if I knew whose gun they were all fighting over. If Ron stole & then hid a gun from Joe, this would make a lot more sense.

 

[krowdkat]

I still need to catch up on this thread, but something is bugging me.

Is there any chance, whoever knew exactly where the cinder blocks and body were in the lake, later came back and got the remains to relocate? I'm sorry, but it has been 14 mos, and I don't think they found the supposely yellow rope. I pray they did find something that would connect Haleigh (hate typing that) in with finding some cinder blocks.

I don't think so. I imagine that if this is where they placed her, she wasn't there for long because of the alligators in that area. It's just so sad/horrible to think about.

 

[Emma Peel]

Still thinking unintentional death during and/or due to the commission of other criminal activities by:

a parent/caregiver...
and/or
a partying group...
and/or
a squirmishing group...


Due to other criminal activities, Haleigh's death is some sort of negligent homicide.

 

[lonetraveler]

BBM
Sounds like they were after Ron then...Ron wanted no part of it. Ron had many interviews with LE in the beginning. After the LDT:waitasec: Ron said "NO More". But obviously LE were not through with him....

I think that is the reason why they had to approach this investigation in a different manner--Ron wasn't talking anymore.....and that led to the drug bust. jus saying

Ron did separate himself rather quickly following his "passed" LDT. Maybe Ron realized that he did not pass the LDT and wanted nothing more to do with LE, especially more questioning.

 

[Emma Peel]

Next guess:

Haleigh had recently become victim of sexual molestation by party(s) related to or known by Misty. (pedophile(s) yet to be determined). At some point, Haleigh became non-compliant and threatened to tell, which forced the pedophile to silence her. (SO & intentional homicide.) Misty was stoned that night, pedophile knew it was opportune time to take Haleigh and did so. Misty has had suspicions based on her personal experience, but didn't know all facts and has been unwilling to share her suspicions regarding a relative.

 

[krowdkat]

Still thinking unintentional death during and/or due to the commission of other criminal activities by:

a parent/caregiver...
and/or
a partying group...
and/or
a squirmishing group...


Due to other criminal activities, Haleigh's death is some sort of negligent homicide.

I really want to think along these lines, as well. What bothers me is that I just keep feeling like Hayleigh's demise has something to do with retaliation against Ron. I can't think of a more serious way to get even with a man than to murder and/or rape and murder his little girl. I really want to know more about this Joe character and the gun issue. Ron was doing illegal things way before his daughter went missing.

 

[Emma Peel]

Another old favorite:

Overdose by parent/caregiver, who routinely dosed the kids to "help" them get to sleep. Haleigh old enough to fight sleep, required higher and higher doses to achieve desired effect. Overdose was deadly, cover-up ensued - important that her body not be found and tested for overdose, or Ron would lose Butterbean as well. See potential for "lots of help" with regard to cover-up in this scenario. Still a negligent homicide.

 

[Emma Peel]

I really want to think along these lines, as well. What bothers me is that I just keep feeling like Hayleigh's demise has something to do with retaliation against Ron. I can't think of a more serious way to get even with a man than to murder and/or rape and murder his little girl. I really want to know more about this Joe character and the gun issue. Ron was doing illegal things way before his daughter went missing.

ugh. too skeery a theory - thanks for bringing it up, ask I might not have gone there...

 

[Granna6]

Another old favorite:

Overdose by parent/caregiver, who routinely dosed the kids to "help" them get to sleep. Haleigh old enough to fight sleep, required higher and higher doses to achieve desired effect. Overdose was deadly, cover-up ensued - important that her body not be found and tested for overdose, or Ron would lose Butterbean as well. See potential for "lots of help" with regard to cover-up in this scenario. Still a negligent homicide.

Yes, which would involve the double-whammy crimes of both overdosing AND probably doing so with illegal or stolen/illegal drugs. So now it's a trio of crimes: negligence, illegal drug possession, AND cover-up.

 

[Amster]

I think Haleigh was given too much of whatever Ron and Misty routinely gave her to knock her out. Misty calls Ron and Ron orchestrated the cover up with help from Tommy....

 

[lonetraveler]

maybe when those 2 realized that the gun wasn't there, they started beating Misty up, & Haleigh trying to intervene, got bashed? maybe that's why they took her? This would be a lot easier to speculate on, if I knew whose gun they were all fighting over. If Ron stole & then hid a gun from Joe, this would make a lot more sense.

I would make a lot more sense if Joe was trying to get his own gun back. I keep thinking about the stories that Ron had robbed a drug dealer prior to Haleigh missing. Maybe Joe was the one he robbed. Maybe Joe didn't pay for drugs that Ron sold him so Ron took the gun from him. Joe didn't find the gun that night because Ron had hidden it in the culvert so that Joe would not get it back. Could this have originated from a "pi**ing" contest between two hot heads? Ron wants his money for the drugs, takes the gun until Joe pays him, Joe comes to take the gun back and is so stoned and angry that he takes Haleigh to get Ron back, like a tit for tat thing, that went way over board in the heat of the moment. Did Joe believe that Misty knew where Ron hid the gun and took Misty along with him and she could either produce the gun or he would throw Haleigh into the river. Misty didn't know where the gun was so he carried out his threat.

 

[epiphany]

Next guess:

Haleigh had recently become victim of sexual molestation by party(s) related to or known by Misty. (pedophile(s) yet to be determined). At some point, Haleigh became non-compliant and threatened to tell, which forced the pedophile to silence her. (SO & intentional homicide.) Misty was stoned that night, pedophile knew it was opportune time to take Haleigh and did so. Misty has had suspicions based on her personal experience, but didn't know all facts and has been unwilling to share her suspicions regarding a relative.

After this week, I have unfortunately been willing to consider sexual assault of Haleigh by individual related to Misty. If Misty suspected this happened that evening or was awakened by the sounds of an assault, she would not tell Ron about it. Would steer him and others in some other direction. After rape of Haleigh by someone within the family, Haleigh's body must never surface again. In Tommy's last LDT, the truth pointed to Haleigh being discarded in the river.

Am also now willing to consider that Misty caused Haleigh's death in some other manner (still accidental), rather than an accidental overdose while in her care. Tommy took care of the body for Sis.

 

[TrialAddict]

If, Haleigh was given and overdose of something to make her sleep. Would giving her something be Misty's idea or was it something, Ron told her to do.

 

[Curious Me]

I would make a lot more sense if Joe was trying to get his own gun back. I keep thinking about the stories that Ron had robbed a drug dealer prior to Haleigh missing. Maybe Joe was the one he robbed. Maybe Joe didn't pay for drugs that Ron sold him so Ron took the gun from him. Joe didn't find the gun that night because Ron had hidden it in the culvert so that Joe would not get it back. Could this have originated from a "pi**ing" contest between two hot heads? Ron wants his money for the drugs, takes the gun until Joe pays him, Joe comes to take the gun back and is so stoned and angry that he takes Haleigh to get Ron back, like a tit for tat thing, that went way over board in the heat of the moment. Did Joe believe that Misty knew where Ron hid the gun and took Misty along with him and she could either produce the gun or he would throw Haleigh into the river. Misty didn't know where the gun was so he carried out his threat.

Wondering if you're thinking Joe took Haleigh from the MH before she died, or after?

I agree that it probably all came down because Ron did something nasty to someone, and that person (s) was on mission to get at Ron's "heart" which was his little innocent daughter. Ron keeping this a cover up would be to save his own butt. I do feel he has been active in the cover-up, as well as some of his family. He was ultimately responsible for Haleigh's safety and failed big time.