2010.04.21 If it's Ron, why won't they talk?

[Searchfortruth]

Nobody has been named a POI but the Sheriff says there are several POI's.

Didn't they also say that they think we "know who they are". I wish they would go into detail on that one.

 

[aprilshowers]

I respectfully disagree that they aren't talking because they fear Ron. I don't doubt that he has bullied, mouthed, etc., since he seems to think he is one tough dude.

But - to get out of jail - Misty and Tommy would rat anyone out, including Ron, if they had anything on him. I don't believe they have fear of him or anyone else. I'm still back at the beginning and can't seem to get beyond my fear that all the players were totally stoned out of their gourds and really do not remember or know what happened to Haleigh. The only other scenario (for me) is that Misty wasn't present when little Haleigh "disappeared".

I understand that many posters truly believe that Ron and family harmed Haleigh. I continue to disagree with that because the facts just aren't there to convince me.

This is, as always, my opinion only.

Bolded by me: If that were true, then where is Haleigh? If they were all stoned/drunk, how could they do such a good job in getting 'completely' rid of her?

 

[dodie20]

Well, it could be my age, BUT I do not find Ron charming, there is nothing charming about him, not one thing. I feel Ron is responsible for what happened to Haleigh ( he left his child with someone who is not qualified to wacth her), but I just can't believe he was envolved with what happened to her, I know there is a lot of ugly stuff which he is guilty of, I just can't see these issues proving he was envolved with the murder of his daughter.

What you say is very interesting to me. We've heard some horrible stories about the way Ron treated his girlfriends, & I wondered why the girls stuck around, & I had an aha! moment. Ron must've been a real charmer & a sweet, sweet talker. When I heard him talking to his new gf on the jail tape, that was proved, @ least to me. He was smooooth. But why so many adult women fall for that, IDK.

 

[Kat]

What you say is very interesting to me. We've heard some horrible stories about the way Ron treated his girlfriends, & I wondered why the girls stuck around, & I had an aha! moment. Ron must've been a real charmer & a sweet, sweet talker. When I heard him talking to his new gf on the jail tape, that was proved, @ least to me. He was smooooth. But why so many adult women fall for that, IDK.

Dodie I'm not picking at your post hun. You make a good point. But is RC's new GF an adult? (I don't know anything about her). Up to this point I've only seen reports of him involved with young ladies under 21.

 

[Maryann123]

MaryAnn, your theory certainly can hold water. Ron even scares me. But, the BB part of your post doesn't seem to be true IMO. I don't think LE has ever led the public to believe Ron passed or flunked a poly. It was Ron who claimed he took one and passed with "flying colors" And, I don't see where LE led the public to think Ron is not a suspect. In fact, LE has kept tight lipped about Ron. Silence about Ron by LE, does not mean he's innocent.
Other than that, your post sure makes me think.

Law enforcement has not disputed any claims by AH, NG, JVM, Ron's attorney, local news stations, etc that Ronald was at work the entire night, nor that he passed a polygraph. They have disputed Misty's claim that she passed her poly. This leads to the assumption that Ronald passed his poly. Maybe it's me, but in this case I have to read between the lines and come to my own conclusions because I don't see too many facts coming out. I have been led to believe that LE wants this information out there. I don't think I'm the only one that feels that way.

 

[dodie20]

Dodie I'm not picking at your post hun. You make a good point. But is RC's new GF an adult? (I don't know anything about her). Up to this point I've only seen reports of him involved with young ladies under 21.

I guess what I really meant was young & dumb or immature & dumb-that new gf was in a league all of her own-not sure what her reasons were. & when I said adult women, I meant 'normal', mature, women.

 

[epiphany]

What you say is very interesting to me. We've heard some horrible stories about the way Ron treated his girlfriends, & I wondered why the girls stuck around, & I had an aha! moment. Ron must've been a real charmer & a sweet, sweet talker. When I heard him talking to his new gf on the jail tape, that was proved, @ least to me. He was smooooth. But why so many adult women fall for that, IDK.

Heard one of the guests on the show that featured LP, TJW, AH and LG state (a male - don't recall which) that although his ex-wife/GFs said Ron did get physical w/them, they all also said he could be very loving. Course, classic controllers often do this.

 

[Kat]

I guess what I really meant was young & dumb or immature & dumb-that new gf was in a league all of her own-not sure what her reasons were. & when I said adult women, I meant 'normal', mature, women.

I know you did I'm still wondering who in the world he got to be his GF though. Can you imagine all of the chaos in his life right now? I am always shaking my head in this case.

ETA: i meant did not didn't LOL I can't type today!

 

[suspicious1]

Fair questions and opinion BobbieDoll. But let me ask this question: What if Misty is completely innocent? Or Tommy? Or cousin Joe? This is a site about sleuthing crimes. I do believe without an honest to goodness, formal announcement naming the POIs, everyone surrounding Haleigh's little world is suspect and should be discussed. jmo

Absolutely.

Can I get an "Amen" button??????????Please.

 

[Emeralgem]

I know you did I'm still wondering who in the world he got to be his GF though. Can you imagine all of the chaos in his life right now? I am always shaking my head in this case.

ETA: i meant did not didn't LOL I can't type today!

My understanding it is the same woman who was writing love letters to Joran Van Der Sloot...I wonder how TN hooked up with her and WHY? All just my opinion..

 

[Muffet]

I tend to believe Ron didn't "do it" himself. I just think he knew what happened and didn't want it to come out.

But as a sleuthing exercise, as we are meant to do here, I'd say:

IF Ron did it, and IF the others haven't squealed on him, I can think of three big reasons for their silence:

1. Squealing on Ron would mean admitting to aiding and abetting.

It now appears that at least Tommy has admitted to that much, so why would he not squeal on Ron, IF Ron did it?

2. Only Misty knows what actually happened. (IF Ron did it, I would fully expect him to leave for work as an alibi and tell her not to tell anyone who helped hide things what actually happened. He may have instructed her to warn them not to ask questions for their own sakes, or threatened to expose them for something else.)

3. I would definitely fear his revenge. From all I've read, I believe Ron has a reputation for having dangerous friends and maybe family, some in and out of jail. My biggest fear about going to jail or prison would be of being shanked under just such a scenario.
I would not feel safe from revenge, anywhere.

 

[stilettos]

I tend to believe Ron didn't "do it" himself. I just think he knew what happened and didn't want it to come out.

But as a sleuthing exercise, as we are meant to do here, I'd say:

IF Ron did it, and IF the others haven't squealed on him, I can think of three big reasons for their silence:

1. Squealing on Ron would mean admitting to aiding and abetting.

It now appears that at least Tommy has admitted to that much, so why would he not squeal on Ron, IF Ron did it?

2. Only Misty knows what actually happened. (IF Ron did it, I would fully expect him to leave for work as an alibi and tell her not to tell anyone who helped hide things what actually happened. He may have instructed her to warn them not to ask questions for their own sakes, or threatened to expose them for something else.)

3. I would definitely fear his revenge. From all I've read, I believe Ron has a reputation for having dangerous friends and maybe family, some in and out of jail. My biggest fear about going to jail or prison would be of being shanked under just such a scenario.
I would not feel safe from revenge, anywhere.

I can agree with the above BBM. I willl state that I think Ronald L Cummings might want to watch his own back in prison as criminals are not all stupid and his connections cannot protect him at all times. Shanks can come from anywhere for peeps believed to have hurt a child.

 

[pingpong]

Hank Sr. made a report that Ronald tried to kill him? Can you point me to where this information is?

From what I've read, it looks like Misty dropped out of school in 6th grade. Did she live with Hank Sr. and Lisa? Did she live with her brothers too, or did she move out?

 

[ilovemew]

Does anyone have a clue as to why Nancy Grace defends RC the way she does?

It's not so much that she defends Ron like she does but that she does that while tearing into Crystal. So it's not like she is trying to be nice to a parent who has lost a child. There is some real love and hate going on. That is the biggest head scratcher for me.

Not complaining about Miz. Nancy Kimster, just trying to answer a question by angel11.

 

[BobbieDoll]

I don't think we would have anything to talk about if we only discussed the people LE has named "persons of interest." The same can be said of JO, TIC, TOC, LC, CC, MC, TN, and GGMS. I think we should all understand these are theories, and opinions, only.

Fair questions and opinion BobbieDoll. But let me ask this question: What if Misty is completely innocent? Or Tommy? Or cousin Joe? This is a site about sleuthing crimes. I do believe without an honest to goodness, formal announcement naming the POIs, everyone surrounding Haleigh's little world is suspect and should be discussed. jmo

Pointing fingers can ruin lives. We all know the families of the victims come here and read these threads. And while a little bit of discussion about a possible person of interest is great, the many threads discussing the guilt of Ron Cummings are not little discussions. There are numerous people here posting as if he WAS involved and coming up with these theories that are so far out there it's not even funny. I wasn't here when the Jessica Lunsford case was going on but did you accuse her father as well? Put yourself in his shoes. What effect did the finger pointing have on him? When a parent who has NOT been named a suspect or person of interest, a parent who has actually been cleared of wrongdoing is discussed in no fewer than 10 different threads that point to him as murdering his own daughter. I think it's wrong and I think it should be stopped. How would you feel if your 5 year old were missing or murdered and people were pointing the finger at you? I know how I would feel and it WOULD matter. You have called Ron a POI, well maybe he is to you but to LE he is NOT. It wasn't him who was at the dock with the police, it was him who was with his family being told about the change to the case. It was him who was told to prepare for a funeral.

Alright, I'm done. I doubt anything I've said will make a difference but I have to try, respectfully. I'm a do unto others kind of person.

 

[debbypadilla]

RC is only suspicious because he triggers something "Freudian" in people. IMO

I think many people that are suspicious of Ron believe that something happened to Haleigh *before* he went to work and was more accounted for.

--debby

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Maybe everyone is scared to talk because they see the powers to be saying Ron is innocent and cleared by LE and he never has been. Maybe they think if they tell the truth nobody will believe them.

 

[TxLady2]

JVM says they did a little research today and found out Ronald was cleared by LE, is not a suspect. Wonder who they talked to?
And of course, we have to remember... all this time, LE said Joe O. was cleared and was not a suspect, too.
Who's next? The A/C guy? He was cleared very early on, IIRC.
Well, it can't be me. I've never been to Florida, I swear!

 

[BobbieDoll]

JVM says they did a little research today and found out Ronald was cleared by LE, is not a suspect. Wonder who they talked to?

http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/16/florida.missing.girl/index.html

"The Putnam County Sheriff's office said in August that "the evidence and investigatory effort has minimized the likelihood that Haleigh's disappearance is the work of a stranger." Ronald Cummings and Crystal Sheffield, Haleigh's mother, are not considered suspects, police said."

 

[Dr.Fessel]

That is utter nonsense for JVM to state that. Police do not clear people during an investigation and LE has never said he was cleared. If they were to say that watch out, he is the target for sure.