Tommy has no recollection of Joe dumping Haleigh's body

[Emeralgem]

Maybe JO came upon a dead haleigh and he swore he would kill tommy and misty if they told he helped dispose of the body.

I recall hearing that was the case and IIRC an LDT that was given to Misty revealed Jo O never threatened Misty although the LDT did reveal she had been threatened...Wonder IF the LDT revealed it was Ron C who had threatened her..JMO

 

[Peliman]

Some of my posts about this machine gun have probably came across as somewhat sarcastic, which is EXACTLY as they were intended, primarily due to the quoted source being Mr. Steve Brown.

I believe that the only case Steve Brown solved was how to get on television.

I don't for a minute believe that Ronald Cummings owned or possessed a fully automatic WWII machine gun. A gun of that nature would cost THOUSANDS. Just the transfer tax alone is $200.00!

Thus my request for more detailed information on this supposed WWII machine gun. I did read the other persons post thank-you. I find it odd nobody has identified the actual make or model of gun we're discussing.

My reaction to hearing it was WWII fully automatic was HUH!

The neighbor did mention AR-15 which is a legal semi-auto but wasn't WWII. Thus my inquiry as to details of this supposed machine gun. The only WWII machine gun I can think of would be a Thompson sub-machine gun which would run thousands.

I'm inclined to think you're correct, I'm just going huh, huh, what kind of gun is it?

 

[MADJGNLAW]

What happened to this story of Tommy's?

Werter also says Croslin was forced at gunpoint to go with Overstreet to the St. Johns River when Overstreet was disposing of Haleigh's body.

http://www.firstcoastnews.com/news/local/news-article.aspx?storyid=155977&catid=3

So, was he forced at gunpoint to go with JO to the river? OR was he in the van high on Xanax, "floating in and out of awareness that night, only later recalling the boat ramp"?

http://www.artharris.com/2010/07/20/exclusive-misty-croslins-bad-memory/#more-4444

Misty also made claims that she was told where the body had been dumped. It is perplexing how Misty and Tommy both claim they were "told". My question is by whom? I really don't buy that they were told by Joe, especially after they claim that Misty was being held by a knife at the throat and other..

IMO, Timmy C. played a role in this, maybe even Chelsea. IMO, my main POI are Ron, Misty, Timmy, Tommy...JMO though. Sure hope LE has been following up on Timmy's activities that night. It was mentioned in the audios with Cobra and Ron that Timmy had went to bed around 1AM. How would they know what time Timmy went to bed? I wonder why it even came up. Then Chelsea said on NG tht Timmy was knocked out on pain meds that night. There are many inconsistencies with Chelsea/Timmy C. and I sure hope LE is on to them because IMO, Timmy and Misty are very close and he would be the one that Misty would call for help IMO. Timmy and Ron were close as well from what I recall reading early on...I maybe wrong though.

Ref links:
Revisiting the cobra & Ronald tapes

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=105655


Timmy & Chelsea Croslin; and the hours before Haleigh went missing. http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96714

 

[azwriter]

Some of my posts about this machine gun have probably came across as somewhat sarcastic, which is EXACTLY as they were intended, primarily due to the quoted source being Mr. Steve Brown.

I believe that the only case Steve Brown solved was how to get on television.

I don't for a minute believe that Ronald Cummings owned or possessed a fully automatic WWII machine gun. A gun of that nature would cost THOUSANDS. Just the transfer tax alone is $200.00!

Yes, Papa, there is a good amount of money to be invested for a gun of that type. But, if you just happen to come upon a gun like that, and take it home, there's no fees involved. Of course, it would be a prize possession that would have to be kept hidden and brought out only to impress your other playmates. Just saying.

 

[Chablis]

I have a suspicion, (but in my defense, I suspect everybody), that there is some truth to Tommy's story, but he needs to insert his own name in place of Joe's. & I think it's possible that he & Misty somehow worked the story together, & she's been lieing for him. I doubt she knows everything, & that's why LE was coming down on Tommy. because their stories weren't meshing. I can suspect Ron, til the cows come home, but there's no explanation for Tommy to accuse Joe & protect Ron. I see Tommy protecting himself. I would guess that Joe was involved, but Tommy hasn't been honest about who did what. I'm thinking that maybe Joe came clean on the gun story, Ron knows it, & that's what is holding up his deal. If Ron gets that sweet deal, & isn't made to give MAJOR information, I'm gonna be irate. I surely hope, as Shoemaker hinted, that this isn't a reward for isolating & then divorcing Misty.

Why would Misty lie for Tommy? Because she loves him so much? This is the same chick who took out a restraining order against him, and narked him out for stealing dish soap, why not nark him out and get him out of your life forever? Why would Misty waste her youth in jail for her BROTHER? I can see her doing it for a lover, and for the guys name that is on her backside, the same guy who is being held at 900k bond in Putnam, who coincidently is the father of the missing child.

 

[LoveEndsWar]

Yes, Papa, there is a good amount of money to be invested for a gun of that type. But, if you just happen to come upon a gun like that, and take it home, there's no fees involved. Of course, it would be a prize possession that would have to be kept hidden and brought out only to impress your other playmates. Just saying.

For some reason I was under the impression he inherited the gun from his grandfather..? I guess I don't know why I thought that.

 

[dodie20]

Why would Misty lie for Tommy? Because she loves him so much? This is the same chick who took out a restraining order against him, and narked him out for stealing dish soap, why not nark him out and get him out of your life forever? Why would Misty waste her youth in jail for her BROTHER? I can see her doing it for a lover, and for the guys name that is on her backside, the same guy who is being held at 900k bond in Putnam, who coincidently is the father of the missing child.

That was my original quote, so I'll answer. I think Misty would lie for Tommy, because that's what she does. lie. Also, after listening to the jail tapes, & seeing how her dad applies the pressure, I think she would be lieing more for his sake, than Tommy. Actually, I don't understand why any of them would would lie for ANYBODY, except themselves, unless they're trying to spare somebody, the death penalty. & Tommy sure didn't have a problem throwing Joe under that bus. & if Misty & Tommy did work on a story, I guess they did it, while in jail. (somehow). I'm just trying to make a few things fit. Tommy's wild stories, Tommy putting himself at the trailer, then in the trailer, then at the dock, his stealing, his claims that he was threatened with murder charges. My initial feeling, when Tommy's 'Joe story' came out, was that he made it up to cover for Misty, but knew it wouldn't hold water, & thought she'd confess, once the cops had details. But after all of this time, I don't really see that happening. I think Tommy decided to gamble with the facts, insert Joe's name as the killer, & thought the cops would buy his story. moo.

 

[Chablis]

That was my original quote, so I'll answer. I think Misty would lie for Tommy, because that's what she does. lie. Also, after listening to the jail tapes, & seeing how her dad applies the pressure, I think she would be lieing more for his sake, than Tommy. Actually, I don't understand why any of them would would lie for ANYBODY, except themselves, unless they're trying to spare somebody, the death penalty. & Tommy sure didn't have a problem throwing Joe under that bus. & if Misty & Tommy did work on a story, I guess they did it, while in jail. (somehow). I'm just trying to make a few things fit. Tommy's wild stories, Tommy putting himself at the trailer, then in the trailer, then at the dock, his stealing, his claims that he was threatened with murder charges. My initial feeling, when Tommy's 'Joe story' came out, was that he made it up to cover for Misty, but knew it wouldn't hold water, & thought she'd confess, once the cops had details. But after all of this time, I don't really see that happening. I think Tommy decided to gamble with the facts, insert Joe's name as the killer, & thought the cops would buy his story. moo.

Misty is not going to go to prison for life for her brother, no way, no how.

jmo

 

[lonetraveler]

Well, Papa, I for one can buy the idea that Ron owned a machine gun. And, here's why. I think Ron was fascinated with the Godfather series of movies. He uses the phrase "Keep your enemy closer," which is a line from the first Godfather movie.
I imagine Ron saw himself as the Godfather of the Satsuma area. He pictured himself as a tough guy with the charm and cunning of a gangster. Of course he woud drool over owning a machine gun, the treasured choice of the gangsters of the 1920 and 30s. And, somehow he owned one, which of course was not registered with the Feds, as the law requires. That's why he kept it a secret, but still loved showing it off. That gun set him apart and fit the image he had of himself.

I know that may sound like something out a move plot itself, but hey wild ideas seem to be where we have ended up with this case. And, didn't you produce a video with Ron as the Godfather?

jmci (just my crazy idea)

I have always imagined that the cleanup done in that MH prior to the 911 call was like Mr. Clean on steroids.

 

[lonetraveler]

Why would Misty lie for Tommy? Because she loves him so much? This is the same chick who took out a restraining order against him, and narked him out for stealing dish soap, why not nark him out and get him out of your life forever? Why would Misty waste her youth in jail for her BROTHER? I can see her doing it for a lover, and for the guys name that is on her backside, the same guy who is being held at 900k bond in Putnam, who coincidently is the father of the missing child.

But Misty pointed her finger at Tommy very early in the game. She claimed that he "messed with her" and when asked who could have harmed Haleigh during the (Tim Miller) poly and LVA, she again pointed the finger at Tommy. She has never exonerated Tommy or tried to clear him from what happened to Haleigh. JMO. She has always put Tommy with Joe whenever Joe was at the MH, though. :waitasec:

 

[1Chump]

IMHO..LE knows who did it and no, I do not believe it was Jo O who hurt Haleigh.. Don't believe Tommy or Misty did either...My money is on Ron C being the culpret..JMO

Am I the only one who finds it "interesting" that all the stories about Joe come out whenever Ron is talking plea deal? Almost like people are trying really hard to convince people Joe is the focus. Maybe too hard?

Almost like people are trying to assure Ron to go ahead and talk, no one is pointing any fingers towards you. Kind of like baiting a trap (it's all about Joe) and just waiting to spring it's all about Ron.

Just my opinion.

 

[Chablis]

Am I the only one who finds it "interesting" that all the stories about Joe come out whenever Ron is talking plea deal? Almost like people are trying really hard to convince people Joe is the focus. Maybe too hard?

Almost like people are trying to assure Ron to go ahead and talk, no one is pointing any fingers towards you. Kind of like baiting a trap (it's all about Joe) and just waiting to spring it's all about Ron.

Just my opinion.

Well, I think from day one the cops have said Misty is the key and focus, but really, its been Ron, and hes been dumb enough to think those cops are his friends. I think LE have played their cards right when its come to Ron. Hes been suspect numero uno since day one, imo.

 

[lonetraveler]

I have a suspicion, (but in my defense, I suspect everybody), that there is some truth to Tommy's story, but he needs to insert his own name in place of Joe's. & I think it's possible that he & Misty somehow worked the story together, & she's been lieing for him. I doubt she knows everything, & that's why LE was coming down on Tommy. because their stories weren't meshing. I can suspect Ron, til the cows come home, but there's no explanation for Tommy to accuse Joe & protect Ron. I see Tommy protecting himself. I would guess that Joe was involved, but Tommy hasn't been honest about who did what. I'm thinking that maybe Joe came clean on the gun story, Ron knows it, & that's what is holding up his deal. If Ron gets that sweet deal, & isn't made to give MAJOR information, I'm gonna be irate. I surely hope, as Shoemaker hinted, that this isn't a reward for isolating & then divorcing Misty.

If you take Joe's name entirely out of the story and insert Timmy it would explain the "who" is that both Misty and Tommy are protecting. The van had to have been brought over by someone who actually had the van. The story goes that Joe must have taken the van or borrowed it. Maybe it just more convenient that Joe was staying at the Tc Croslin's that night. Misty has openly stated on the LVA that Timmy was the one she was closest to. Maybe he is the one most likely to receive a call for help in the wee morning hours of February 10th. Neither Misty nor Tommy are going to throw Timmy under the bus. I'm still thinking that Haleigh died from someone in the Cummings side of the family. I think that Tommy and Misty were co-erced into helping with the cleanup and needed a van for that, and in comes Timmy. I'm also still thinking that Tommy and Timmy were needed to remove the pot plants, other drugs and guns. Maybe Timmy is the one being protected here as far as the cleanup is concerned. I think either Ron or someone especially close to Ron is being protected for Haleigh's death.

This explains why Tommy doesn't really remember seeing Joe dispose of Haleigh and why Misty may have fingered Joe by hearing others talk about him.:waitasec:

 

[lonetraveler]

Misty also made claims that she was told where the body had been dumped. It is perplexing how Misty and Tommy both claim they were "told". My question is by whom? I really don't buy that they were told by Joe, especially after they claim that Misty was being held by a knife at the throat and other..

IMO, Timmy C. played a role in this, maybe even Chelsea. IMO, my main POI are Ron, Misty, Timmy, Tommy...JMO though. Sure hope LE has been following up on Timmy's activities that night. It was mentioned in the audios with Cobra and Ron that Timmy had went to bed around 1AM. How would they know what time Timmy went to bed? I wonder why it even came up. Then Chelsea said on NG tht Timmy was knocked out on pain meds that night. There are many inconsistencies with Chelsea/Timmy C. and I sure hope LE is on to them because IMO, Timmy and Misty are very close and he would be the one that Misty would call for help IMO. Timmy and Ron were close as well from what I recall reading early on...I maybe wrong though.

Oh, MADJGNLAW, I was reading backwards as usual and posted something similar to your post about POI before reading yours. I agree with your thoughts on this totally.

 

[mck16]

Well, I think from day one the cops have said Misty is the key and focus, but really, its been Ron, and hes been dumb enough to think those cops are his friends. I think LE have played their cards right when its come to Ron. Hes been suspect numero uno since day one, imo.

Why do you think this? I have not seen anything that would indicate LE thinks RC is in any way complicent in the disappearance of Haleigh. Actually quite the contrary. Tommy and Misty both have given versions of what happened that night (RC was not implicated). And it seems by the LE searching the river, they believed them.

I have not seen heard or read anything factual that ties RC to this case. And all these theories of Croslins being scared, or protecting RC are in my opinion stupid. They could not keep quiet all this time. They would be telling everything they know if RC was involved to protect their own butts. These are not a league of gentlemen. I think if LE thought RC was remotely involved he would have been arrested long ago. jmo

 

[Emeralgem]

I have always imagined that the cleanup done in that MH prior to the 911 call was like Mr. Clean on steroids.

Which MH are you referring to? I'm convinced the incident occurred at the Croslin's residence at Shell Harbor...JMO

 

[lonetraveler]

Which MH are you referring to? I'm convinced the incident occurred at the Croslin's residence at Shell Harbor...JMO

I was referring to Ron's MH in my . Since LE was definitely going to show up at Ron's house for the 911 call, I figure his MH needed a bit of tweeking. KWIM?

 

[Emeralgem]

Why do you think this? I have not seen anything that would indicate LE thinks RC is in any way complicent in the disappearance of Haleigh. Actually quite the contrary. Tommy and Misty both have given versions of what happened that night (RC was not implicated). And it seems by the LE searching the river, they believed them.

I have not seen heard or read anything factual that ties RC to this case. And all these theories of Croslins being scared, or protecting RC are in my opinion stupid. They could not keep quiet all this time. They would be telling everything they know if RC was involved to protect their own butts. These are not a league of gentlemen. I think if LE thought RC was remotely involved he would have been arrested long ago. jmo

Yeah.. And Ron C not being implicated in any way shape or form is whats bothering me about LE... And has bothered me since day one.. Ever since I heard Ron C, himself, state he would give his life to have his child's life back, I knew that instant, he knew his child was deceased and also knew he was the one responsible for whatever had happened to his child......JMO

 

[Chablis]

Yeah.. And Ron C not being implicated in any way shape or form is whats bothering me about LE... And has bothered me since day one.. Ever since I heard Ron C, himself, state he would give his life to have his child's life back, I knew that instant, he knew his child was deceased and also knew he was the one responsible for whatever had happened to his child......JMO

The LE in Satsuma have been dealing with Ronald Cummings since he was a teenager, they know how volatile he is, they know him better than anyone following this case, there is a method to this madness, they have him where they want him, behind bars for 15 years at the LEAST, so when he is charged he cant take him or anyone else out. You have to handle people like Ronald differently.

jmo

 

[Emeralgem]

The LE in Satsuma have been dealing with Ronald Cummings since he was a teenager, they know how volatile he is, they know him better than anyone following this case, there is a method to this madness, they have him where they want him, behind bars for 15 years at the LEAST, so when he is charged he cant take him or anyone else out. You have to handle people like Ronald differently.
jmo

Chablis, I totally respect your thoughts on the subject, always have, however IMHO Ron C is nothing but a coward.. Nothing to fear..How much courage is involved in lying about what really happened to your daughter?
And WHY would anyone in LE ever allow anyone to believe for a nanosecond they have been outsmarted by the likes of a wannabe gangsta like Ronald Cummings no matter how volatile they may think he is? If Ronald Cummings has LE singing to his tune, they need to hang up their guns, take off their badges, turn in their ID's and walk out the building... They have stolen enough of the tax payer's dollars...JMHOTS
JMO