2010.04.23 Grandma Sykes and Neves Search at the St.John River

[raisincharlie]

Did GGMS absolutely know that LE was going have a big search in that area the next day? Or did they go to that area after GH passed onto her the info. from Tommy, without knowing how serious LE would take the information?

I thought it appeared suspicious they would go search there on their own, but I honestly can't say I wouldn't be so desperate after 15 months that I wouldn't do the same.

Hope I am making sense. Running on empty today.

CarrieBean - I understand what you are saying about the desperations that might have sent these two over to walk around and it seems reasonable. Except, they know Le is involved in searching for Haleigh, they know there is criminal activity of some type involved - is it worth it to contaminate a potential crime scene out of desperation ? If they were of the opinion LE would not listen to them if they called, then one seriously has to wonder why LE would not listen to them. One always reaps what they sow, sooner or later.

 

[CarrieBean]

CarrieBean - I understand what you are saying about the desperations that might have sent these two over to walk around and it seems reasonable. Except, they know Le is involved in searching for Haleigh, they know there is criminal activity of some type involved - is it worth it to contaminate a potential crime scene out of desperation ? If they were of the opinion LE would not listen to them if they called, then one seriously has to wonder why LE would not listen to them. One always reaps what they sow, sooner or later.

ITA. Was just throwing a thought out there, because I know I will never understand what goes through the minds of people like this.

I think the only thing that might surprise me is if there are any totally innocent, unknowing folks in this whole clan.

Heck, I can't even stay on the fence. I just keep hopping over it, back and forth. :banghead:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Maybe searching the woods is just making them feel like they are doing something.
You know?

Like, maybe they are tired of just waiting around and feel they need to be doing something.

I can see Sykes not believing HaLeigh is dead, but still searching after hearing all these stories. She said she will not believe HaLeigh is dead until she sees proof. Maybe she's just looking for the proof.

I just don't see TN and Sykes as being guilty of anything. I think they both loved/love HaLeigh and kinda got caught in the crossfire of their children/inlaws.

But, you never know.

The constant defending of MC by them is kinda hinky.

My head is spinning. None of these people are normal. So, it's hard to try to get a mindset on any of them.

 

[raisincharlie]

ITA. Was just throwing a thought out there, because I know I will never understand what goes through the minds of people like this.

I think the only thing that might surprise me is if there are any totally innocent, unknowing folks in this whole clan.

Heck, I can't even stay on the fence. I just keep hopping over it, back and forth. :banghead:

ROFL - hopping back and forth ! Guess that is why no one can really let go of this case and just wait for the answers. After all this time, I still can't reach a stance on Ron Cummings' potential for involvement or not. As for surprises, I don't think there will be many about the who honestly. The rest of it might be full of surprises however IMO.

 

[passionflower]

NS/GGS look more suspicious than ever now to me...............cover up again...........
I onlt wish LE was watching them.
Also why would Hollar call GGS anyway????

 

[Trident]

I can understand theireasons family members have when they go to physically search for their loved one who is missing. I really can.

However, why these two ladies? Were they out there alone? How would they know if they saw something of evidentiary value?

Were they looking for something specific? Although I can understand searching and can find no fault in that---if these two were looking for Haleigh---then they had to be thinking they were looking for her body. If that is the case, then that is where my understanding is lost---to find a child's body? These are not stupid women by any means, nor are they ignorant of what happens to a body left to the elements (above or below ground).

What I'm trying to say is that this doesn't seem right. There's something not right about this and I cant' put my finger on it yet.

BBM. I believe what's wrong with this is - - I THINK they were there the day of the search, away from the closed off area, but close enough to possibly keep an eye on things. I know everyone thinks they went the day BEFORE, and I'm probably wrong, it can be taken both ways, but I think it was the same day. That's how I took it anyway. I'm not sure it's all that important, but it would be nice to know WHICH day they went out there.

BTW, where is TN living these days?

 

[Kat]

Were TN and AS told by Hollar's the cinder block story? I bet they were. I can just hear it now, Joe's lawyer saying TN and AS threw the cinder blocks in the river to frame him.

Not only are you astute Dr. F, but you may be clairvoyant too. I have been mulling it over in my mind and they could have taken something or put something there and even if they didn't, the very fact is that if LE did find something we haven't been told about---when it comes to time for trial---this could very well come up.

 

[kolokolo]

I was glad that Grandma Hollar and GMS went mano a mano. Grandma Hollar's stories maybe unreal and hard to believe, but GMS wants everyone to believe that RC/MC lifestyle was a nice neat package. How lucky for Misty she never had to do the kids laundry, I wonder if GMS did the same for Amber?

 

[Emeralgem]

What I'm trying to say is that this doesn't seem right. There's something not right about this and I cant' put my finger on it yet.[/QUOTE]

BBM. I believe what's wrong with this is - - I THINK they were there the day of the search, away from the closed off area, but close enough to possibly keep an eye on things. I know everyone thinks they went the day BEFORE, and I'm probably wrong, it can be taken both ways, but I think it was the same day. That's how I took it anyway. I'm not sure it's all that important, but it would be nice to know WHICH day they went out there.

BTW, where is TN living these days?

The article I read stated they were there before LE and the searchers arrived and were told to leave...
Matt Saffer also reported that LE informed GGMS in person that she was not to go down to the search site... He also mentioned in his report LE did not want her contaminating evidence..
And, who knows where TN is living..TN was asking questions about 116 Tyler Street and if it was available according to Lisa Croslin...JMO

 

[ilovemew]

Not only are you astute Dr. F, but you may be clairvoyant too. I have been mulling it over in my mind and they could have taken something or put something there and even if they didn't, the very fact is that if LE did find something we haven't been told about---when it comes to time for trial---this could very well come up.

I think they would be able to tell how long something had been in the river for. Well approximately. For sure if they had been thrown in the day before.

 

[lorann]

If, as many suspect, something happened before Ron went to work and these "helpers" were cleaning up thinking maybe Misty was involved - If I was Ron, I would wait a short while, make sure I'm not followed and I would have moved the remains. I would not trust that the helpers would not RAT on me. I would hope she is buried somewhere that can some day be revealed. Gulp, I have made myself sick.

 

[Trident]

The article I read stated they were there before LE and the searchers arrived and were told to leave...
Matt Saffer also reported that LE informed GGMS in person that she was not to go down to the search site... He also mentioned in his report LE did not want her contaminating evidence..
And, who knows where TN is living..TN was asking questions about 116 Tyler Street and if it was available according to Lisa Croslin...JMO

BBM. So, does that mean you also think it was the SAME day as the search, TUESDAY?

 

[LaLaw2000]

I made a post about the cinder block then deleted it. I would think the rope found in the river would test really well in comparison to the rope found at Tommy & Lindsy's house (found AFTER they moved out. Wonder just how long it had been there?

It is possible that someone placed the rope at the house.

JVM is coming on now, fyi.

JMO

 

[elle1919]

Perhaps "odd" isn't the correct term but it was a softer approach, rather than calling it interfering with an investigation - which it very well may be. Can't wait to find out myself if Gma Sykes really did call and speak with an investigator after her conversation with Gma Hollar, but we'll probably have to wait for an arrest to be made; case documents to be released, to find that out.

As for Gma & TN taking it upon themselves to search, I think it's important first to put it into context and consider the history of/over the past fourteen + months, from the time that HaLeigh was reported missing. I'm not going to type out a timeline covering the past fourteen-month history of the player's actions/events in this case, specifically Ronald's, as that information is readily available on several threads. Suffice it to say that because there still remains much in question in this case, including Ronald's actions and/or inactions, not excluding members of the Cumming's family, should Gma Sykes & Gma Neves be taking it upon themselves to search?
Definately not.

This wasn't a tip whereby someone called claiming that HaLeigh was seen alive somewhere so Gma and TN took the first plane that they could get out because time is of the essence and there was hope that she was alive.

Gma & TN were not searching for a live-HaLeigh in those woods.

MOO ~

Interfering with an investigation is an arrestable offense and as of yet we haven't seen them arrested. We have no idea of the details of the conversation that Flora Hollers had with Annette Sykes, we have no way of knowing anything about this tip because Law Enforcement isn't speaking about where it came from or when in any significant detail.

In regards to the portion of your post that I bolded, I am well aware that GGS and TN didn't "hop on a plane" to go search...:waitasec:

I am also not supporting their decisions but in my post I was being honest about what I might do had I been in their shoes. Thank God I am not.

 

[elle1919]

The article I read stated they were there before LE and the searchers arrived and were told to leave...
Matt Saffer also reported that LE informed GGMS in person that she was not to go down to the search site... He also mentioned in his report LE did not want her contaminating evidence..
And, who knows where TN is living..TN was asking questions about 116 Tyler Street and if it was available according to Lisa Croslin...JMO

Bol by me: I missed this, when did Lisa C mention TN being interested in renting 116 Tyler? Not that Lisa C is anyone I would take at her word, but I never heard that conversation. TIA

 

[nomoresorrow]

Tommy's Attorney, James Werter is talking right now on JVM - Tommy was taken to the dock on Monday night, the night before LE began their 3-day search there.

 

[nomoresorrow]

Interfering with an investigation is an arrestable offense and as of yet we haven't seen them arrested. We have no idea of the details of the conversation that Flora Hollers had with Annette Sykes, we have no way of knowing anything about this tip because Law Enforcement isn't speaking about where it came from or when in any significant detail.

In regards to the portion of your post that I bolded, I am well aware that GGS and TN didn't "hop on a plane" to go search...:waitasec:

I am also not supporting their decisions but in my post I was being honest about what I might do had I been in their shoes. Thank God I am not.

My "hop on a plane" scenerio elle was provided as an example of what I would not consider odd or suspicious for Gma Sykes and/or TN to do/have done under the circumstances - just trying to clarify my stance, "while I may find this odd, I wouldn't find this odd..." KWIM ~

 

[suspicious1]

All of this is weird to me...When GMS/TN was told about Haleigh being down at that dock, placed in the water, were they the only 2 people to go down there? If you were told that she was placed in the water, why would they be searching the woods? They were told she was placed in the water. It makes no sense to me. And then they searched the woods all afternoon? LE searched the water and the surrounding area (woods). Seems there may have been some evidence in the woods because LE searched there AND the Cummings. I wonder what made GMS/TN search the woods? It almost sounds like they knew what they were looking for...and it wasn't Haleigh.

 

[raisincharlie]

All of this is weird to me...When GMS/TN was told about Haleigh being down at that dock, placed in the water, were they the only 2 people to go down there? If you were told that she was placed in the water, why would they be searching the woods? They were told she was placed in the water. It makes no sense to me. And then they searched the woods all afternoon? LE searched the water and the surrounding area (woods). Seems there may have been some evidence in the woods because LE searched there AND the Cummings. I wonder what made GMS/TN search the woods? It almost sounds like they knew what they were looking for...and it wasn't Haleigh.

Is it possible that GMa Hollars told GGMa Sykes something she hasn't said on tv ?

I think back to the Sheriff's presser, he did allude to the fact that Haleigh could have become deceased at the location of the search. LE was searching the woods so they had something that indicated to them they needed to check the woods. The woods doesn't seem to be all that relevant if someone just drove up and placed a body in the water. Perhaps had there been a party, in the woods maybe ? Maybe Joe Pytko was just a little off on location but was right about a party.

 

[TxLady2]

I thought I remembered hearing on HLN that there was a search going on in the woods at the same time as the river search. Maybe LE was aware that Ggma and TN were walking around in there.
As for tampering with evidence or a crime scene... has to be some evidence found before they could be charged with tampering.
I don't think they would have been planting evidence this late in the game, since it would have been obviously risky with LE swarming around all over the woods at the same time. And IMO, if they were, surely Ggma is too sharp to have blurted it out on NG for the whole country to hear.