2010.04.24 The Laundry Revisited and GGM Sykes Visit.

[elle1919]

Thank you for bringing up the nine days waiting re gma sykes saying anything. Over the course of this case she hasn't had any issues speaking out...........In my mind (scary) she/they were in the midst of planning no getting their ducks in a row.........THAT IS MY BIGGEST RED FLAG RE GMA SKYKES that and tn SENT gma sykes over to check on the children.

Also, I guess I was under the impresson that gma sykes was sent over there by tn for some reason to check on the kids/misty. Also if I recall correctly; the kids were eating sgettios on the front porch. Not sure about the "put a shirt on" comment........if she meant they had no shirt or they changed shirts.........but why change shirts in the middle of eating?

Re mc not wanting to babysit...........after a three day bing; never been there or done that but that would make sense she would ask someone else to do it; why family would refuse is beyond me. But many things are beyond my comprehension regarding this family; which I will consider a good thing.

Hi there...Bold by me....I have thought, since the beginning, that GGS visit to the trailer around 7 or 7:30 on the night Haleigh went missing was to "check up on her as well. I never thought that after the whole gun incident RC wanted any of Misty's family at his house....and after talking to the AC Man around 5 he kn knew they were there. I think the bickering between them kept getting worse and worse and RC finally called in someone to go check on what she was doing and who she was with until she finally turned her phone off at 8:30 that night" supposedly"after Haleigh went to bed. I just wish he called in someone to kick Misty and get the kids out of there.

There were red flags about this girl everywhere imo and no-one did anything.

 

[Crosby87]

Last week Carol Bengle Gilbert released an article titled "Lindsey and Chelsea Croslin Missing Links in Haleigh Cummings' Case?" in which she states Lindsey was at Ronald Cummings trailer with her children playing and having dinner in the hours before HaLeigh Cummings vanished. I don’t know if AS went into the house or exactly why she went there, but I do believe her when she says she only saw Ron's children eating supper around 7 pm and this allegation made by CBG is false.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2909950/lindsey_and_chelsea_croslin_missing_pg2.html?cat=17

 

[elle1919]

Last week Carol Bengle Gilbert released an article titled "Lindsey and Chelsea Croslin Missing Links in Haleigh Cummings' Case?" in which she states Lindsey was at Ronald Cummings trailer with her children playing and having dinner in the hours before HaLeigh Cummings vanished. I don’t know if AS went into the house or exactly why she went there, but I do believe her when she says she only saw Ron's children eating supper around 7 pm and this allegation made by CBG is false.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/2909950/lindsey_and_chelsea_croslin_missing_pg2.html?cat=17

Which allegation is false Bluesky?

I remember hearing Lyndsy was over there, but I believe this is info that has never been released before. Big clue IMO. I don't think GGS saw anyone besides Haleigh, Junior and Misty either. Annette Sykes originally said that she never went in the trailer( I believe her. I think whoever was with her might have been the one to go inside the trailer with the laundry and with Misty...I think GGS was outside on the porch with the children( getting warmer shirts on) while Misty and mystery rider took the laundry inside.

RC's porch was 100% screened in and enclosed, My mother had the exact same thing......she called it her "Florida room", it is definitely inside the trailer but not inside the house.JMO

 

[Crosby87]

Which allegation is false Bluesky?

I remember hearing Lyndsy was over there, but I believe this is info that has never been released before. Big clue IMO. I don't think GGS saw anyone besides Haleigh, Junior and Misty either. Annette Sykes originally said that she never went in the trailer( I believe her. I think whoever was with her might have been the one to go inside the trailer with the laundry and with Misty...I think GGS was outside on the porch with the children( getting warmer shirts on) while Misty and mystery rider took the laundry inside.

RC's porch was 100% screened in and enclosed, My mother had the exact same thing......she called it her "Florida room", it is definitely inside the trailer but not inside the house.JMO

CBG claims Lindsey was at Ronald Cummings trailer with her children playing and having dinner in the hours before Haleigh Cummings vanished. Two other people reportedly came to the trailer subsequent to Lindsey's departure: her husband Tommy and Ronald Cummings' grandmother Annette Sykes.

CBG alleges the children ate supper with Lindsey's children earlier that evening and AS claims Ron's children were eating supper around 7 pm alone on the front porch. Lindsey attended an evening class so she wasn't at Ron's when Granny saw them on the front porch at 7 pm. CBG stated Tommy fixed Lindsey supper when she got home from school around the time Tommy supposedly went to check on Misty.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

There is no doubt in my mind that Ron was selling drugs long before Haleigh went missing. Long before Misty came in the picture. He did drugs and he sold drugs. He got a prize winner when he came across Misty because not only did she do drugs, she sold them for him too. So not only was he getting sex and in-house babysitting, she was also helping him make money.

That mh was cleaned before LE got there and part of the clean-up was to remove all drugs...Just like you and I know about Ron's criminal record....Ron's well aware of it too...So he knew he HAD to get rid of all the drugs...whether he had something to do with this or not.

Just because he had a job doesn't mean he didn't sell drugs. Some guys can do both at the same time. Some prefer to do it that way so know one will question where there money is coming from, KWIM?

Another part of the clean-up was putting some of that dirty laundry up, you know they WERE expecting company (LE). LOL

It sure doesn't mean he was selling drugs at the time of Haleigh's disappearance either.

But you think they did all of this plus killing Haleigh, disposing her body miles away at the boat dock and then having to come back from the boat ramp all in 26 minutes to call 911, after Ron got off of work? Plus he stopped at the convenience store too.

Now I know some seem to cling that he got off earlier but what if he didn't? What if he did get off a 3am? What then?:waitasec:

It is just not believable nor does it make any commonsense imo that he had time to take these many necessary steps taken that morning.



IMO

 

[Dee10]

I think Ron said the beds were still made up as if no one had been asleep in them. Maybe I'm wrong. There's so much to go over especially with everyone having their own story.
I think GGMS was there to watch Junior while whoever did whatever to dispose of Haliegh. Sickening to even think about. jmo

I went back & took the NOT out, yes he said the beds were made, why I put not in there IDK:waitasec:

I think you maybe right that GGMS could have been there to watch Jr. I never considered that.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

With all due respect, I still have a problem with someone being a GG-ma, living that long and through that much life being apart of a cover-up. I'm sure it has happened, but the odds of her and all the other people involved in this case covering are nil to nothing. LE is much more savvy than that.

Conspiracy with a ton of players makes zero sense. There would have to be a weak link.

I do love to read everyone's thoughts, and love that we can agree to disagree.

Obviously she's attempting to "protect" the ones she loves. We know there was a problem about what Haleigh was wearing that night. Misty said pajamas, then said a shirt and shorts, then a shirt and underwear. Her story changed when Haleigh's shirt was found at home with the dirty laundry. About 10 days or so later, maybe a bit longer, reporters were asking GGS about Misty being at the MH that night. She said she was. Reporters asked how do you know, she angrily said, "Because I was there." She said it was just after 7PM or around 7PM, then she gave us the laundry story (I dropped off clean clothes) or words to the effect. The other night on NG was the first we've heard this more detailed account.

Just for the record, GGS, is only in her mid-sixties (I know her birthdate), certainly not ancient by today's standards, and she's capable enough, and energetic enough to be involved in her own searches of search sites, so it would not be impossible for her to be involved in various cover-ups due to her age and how long she's lived. In fact, her longevity is an asset, she's seen many things in her lifetime, has been observant, and can surely create her own scenarios. She's not incapable. She also loves RC, her family, and Haleigh. As we've seen in other cases, family members can and do rally round the guilty party because they don't want to lose another loved one. Just sayin'.....

 

[Kimster]

This thread is about the laundry and it's going a bit off topic in discussing cleaning the house, but not too bad.

Then it moved over to whether drugs were in the house or not and then whether Ron was dealing drugs and then it goes on and on from there.

Get back to the laundry and the cleaning of the house. Remember, OPINIONS need to be in the theories thread. THIS thread needs to backed up with FACTS. If you don't have a link or don't want to look for a link, back off.

 

[debs]

This thread is about the laundry and it's going a bit off topic in discussing cleaning the house, but not too bad.

Then it moved over to whether drugs were in the house or not and then whether Ron was dealing drugs and then it goes on and on from there.

Get back to the laundry and the cleaning of the house. Remember, OPINIONS need to be in the theories thread. THIS thread needs to backed up with FACTS. If you don't have a link or don't want to look for a link, back off.

I know it's difficult, but there are a number of folks who think all the talk about laundry was code for talking about drugs. Would it be okay for those who believe that to keep talking about "laundry"?

 

[1Chump]

Right now I'm thinking GGMS may have spent most of her evening getting stains out of Haleigh's shirt....JMO

The sitting on the porch eating without shirts would not bother me because my neice did that with her toddler triplets. When it was colder, they ate in the kitchen. She did it because it was easier to clean. The clothes did not have stains, wash cloth to the kids and hose to the patio.

So either they ate with their shirts on and needed stains removed or they took them off so they would not have stains.

 

[grandmaj]

There is absolutely nothing to back up a theory that laundry=drugs. It is theory and belongs in the theory thread. Thank You.

 

[Zoe Bogart]

It is one of the few things that does make sense:

Monday morning supposedly Ron and Misty fly over to get the outfit Haleigh wanted to wear to school from GGMa Sykes.

GGMa Sykes delivered the laundry at 730 pm Monday night.

Originally posted by Dee10
GGMS made a big point with a lengthy (non-asked for) reason on NG, why she always did the kids laundry. TN pointed out in the layout of the MH there were always piles of dirty laundry in the original NG walk through or shortly after. WHY did GGMS not take the kids dirty laundry back out with her when she left to wash those clothes? Bring in clean/take out dirty...make sense?

I believe laundry is going to play a key factor somehow in the cover-up or what is found. Too much talk about Misty doing laundry, GGMS doing laundry, no laundry detergent, shirts & blankets...not to be for a reason IMO.

Who discusses this subject; GGMS, TN, Misty & Ron. Ron was the one that pointed out "No laundry detergent & beds were made". There has to be something here IMO.

Bizarre as it is, both your statements make sense.

They were out of clean laundry on Monday morning, thus the mad dash to GGS' house to get clean clothing for school, no time to get clean stuff because she'd be late to class. So GGS brings the clean laundry to them that night. Why not take back the dirty laundry since she does the children's laundry regularly? Obviously there was some dirty stuff there, since Haleigh' shirt was there. Was it RC's and Misty's dirty laundry and Haleigh's shirt was just thrown on top? There was no laundry detergent, but Misty told the story of washing blankets, excessively told that story. Did she use dish detergent to wash them? Shampoo?

When LE went to the MH that night, 3:40 AM, the washing machine was running?

Why did GGS withhold her laundry story for weeks, and why withhold all the details for over 14 months before spilling on NG? :waitasec:

 

[debs]

If GGM always did the children's laundry, she would have been well aware that they wouldn't have clothes for Monday school. Why wouldn't she have precipitated the drama by having the laundry ready to take back on Sunday night?

 

[Wise Old Owl]

Bizarre as it is, both your statements make sense.

They were out of clean laundry on Monday morning, thus the mad dash to GGS' house to get clean clothing for school, no time to get clean stuff because she'd be late to class. So GGS brings the clean laundry to them that night. Why not take back the dirty laundry since she does the children's laundry regularly? Obviously there was some dirty stuff there, since Haleigh' shirt was there. Was it RC's and Misty's dirty laundry and Haleigh's shirt was just thrown on top? There was no laundry detergent, but Misty told the story of washing blankets, excessively told that story. Did she use dish detergent to wash them? Shampoo?

When LE went to the MH that night, 3:40 AM, the washing machine was running!

Why did GGS withhold her laundry story for weeks, and why withhold all the details for over 14 months before spilling on NG? :waitasec:

I'm having a really hard time believe that MC would have been smart enough to think of using "dish soap" for the washing machine. I may be wrong but IF you use dish soap you have to use just a little - laundry soap has an anti-foaming agent to stop the flow of "suds" out and over the top. IF MC had thought of the dish soap I imagine she would have put too much in and there would have been suds all over that place.

I kinda think she just threw the blanket (or whatever) in there - saw no soap - said "oh well" and just dumped a bunch of bleach in the washer.

I hope the LE that were there that night took copious notes as to the "running washing machine" and what was in it, was there "supplies" availabe to actually DO laundry, etc. etc.

So, WHAT was in the washer at 3:40AM and running?

 

[Donjeta]

I imagine that if AS was mad that Ron took Misty back like she said last February the relationship between her and Misty might have been strained that particular night and she might not have felt either willing or welcome to stay for long and pick up Misty and Ronald's mess.

 

[raisincharlie]

I'm not convinced GGMa Sykes withheld her laundry story, from the public yes, but I am not convinced she withheld it from LE. I also don't see why she should have to come out in public and give this explanation at all nor why the public should assume she withheld the information.

I suspect LE was very much aware of GGMa Sykes being there with laundry within a matter of hours of the 911 call.

 

[Donjeta]

Interestingly, though, as many times as Misty was interviewed, she never mentioned AS being there with the laundry before the TM tapes as far as I can tell. She may have mentioned her to LE and I expect she did because LE started their timeline from 7 and I presume they would have been suspicious if one of the parties forgot Granny's visit.

 

[Peliman]

FWIW - I think the washer was running info did not come from LE but was something possibly stated by Cobra at one point. Heck if I know where that info comes from.

 

[1Chump]

Bizarre as it is, both your statements make sense.

They were out of clean laundry on Monday morning, thus the mad dash to GGS' house to get clean clothing for school, no time to get clean stuff because she'd be late to class. So GGS brings the clean laundry to them that night. Why not take back the dirty laundry since she does the children's laundry regularly? Obviously there was some dirty stuff there, since Haleigh' shirt was there. Was it RC's and Misty's dirty laundry and Haleigh's shirt was just thrown on top? There was no laundry detergent, but Misty told the story of washing blankets, excessively told that story. Did she use dish detergent to wash them? Shampoo?

When LE went to the MH that night, 3:40 AM, the washing machine was running!

Why did GGS withhold her laundry story for weeks, and why withhold all the details for over 14 months before spilling on NG? :waitasec:

It is one of the few things that does make sense:

Monday morning supposedly Ron and Misty fly over to get the outfit Haleigh wanted to wear to school from GGMa Sykes.


GGMa Sykes delivered the laundry at 730 pm Monday night.

The Monday morning dash was it clean clothes or "outfit Haleigh wanted to wear." That is two different things. Kids always have favorites.

Although I don't believe they made a mad dash to get an "outfit Haleigh wanted to wear" if they had something for her to wear in the house.

 

[Donjeta]

I don't know which would sound more ominous... I really have a hard time saying which would be worse. I mean, for a child to have no clean clothes at home on a school morning and nobody thinking about it the previous night sounds like there might be other kinds of negligence going on which might lead to fatal accidents. But going for a mad dash when you're already late in order to get a child her favorite shirt although she has plenty of perfectly good outfits at home doesn't sound that good either. It sounds like someone who has absolutely no idea how to calm down a child who's decided she wants something real bad, how to negotiate with the child and how to set firm limits with a child, how to say no when needed, and that might lead to fatal accidents.