2010.06.09 Prosecutors File for 911 Calls to Come into Trial

[faefrost]

I know I am being biased, and I am just judging this by the various public documents, postings filings, motions and interviews, but it almost seems like some of the observers such as RH and our own AZLawyer seem to be doing a better deeper and more thorough job of research than the actual defense team?

I understand the approach of "ask for anything and everything you may get lucky" but still?

 

[cyberborg]

Richard Hornsby has a new post on the 911 calls
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2010/06/911-whats-your-emergency/

It never ceases to amaze me. The Defense have less than 12 months before trial and have a mountain of circumstantial evidence to deal with and yet seem to continually expend so much energy on topics that are not winnable. Strike one, strike two, strike three.

Is this because this is easy low hanging fruit? Something that they can eaily target and demonstrate they are aggressively trying to defend KC and eliminate key damaging evidence and testimony or is it something just to satisfy CA, or KC on a whim?

They are barely scratching the surface .... the tide is a tsunami wave against them. It makes me wonder if the Defense are simply going through the 'motions', pun intended, in order to progress inevitably towards trial and -- when KC is found Guilty and sentenced they can look the media in the eye? We tried.

It seems a 'Defense Commander General' would look across the possible motions that could be filed and eliminate all those that will just waste time and energy and prioritize those that can/will have an impact to help them at trial.

This one does not even seem to make that list, it seems moot given CA will testify at trial anyway and this discussion will occur in cross examination or as a hostile witness either way.

Unless, the Defense goal is really to eliminate the statements made by KC on the 911 call about ZFG and her calm nonchalant uncaring demeanor...........

 

[Horace Finklestein]

I think the Msm has been very irresponsible in this story.IMO Fox news reporting a bloody silouette in the trunk, Just the other day Jvm reported the rug Caylee was wrapped in when they found her in the park.IMO I mean this stuff can be frustrating. That is why I like to see the official documents. I understand that money is the motivation for the media, they do not care what is right, but only that the story makes money.IMO I love the Sunshine law though. I think big brother needs to be watched by the voters. Its what this country is all about. A Nation of the people.

I thought your posts were usually critical of the sunshine law, and didn't like the calls/jail visits being released, and labeled the releases of info/documents as 'leaks' from the state attorney?

 

[BondJamesBond]

"Prosecutors File for 911 Calls to Come into Trial" :whistle:

 

[abbra]

Cindy Anthony is/was a nurse. Surely at one time or another in her career she has
" smelled Bodies that are decomposing." Even George Anthony admitted to police the same as far as decomposing corpses and dealing with them in his former line of work.
No matter how the Anthonys try to retract their statements concerning the " smell" in the car I hope the judge sees fit to allow their statements in court at time of trial.

 

[Aedrys]

Cindy Anthony is/was a nurse. Surely at one time or another in her career she has
" smelled Bodies that are decomposing." Even George Anthony admitted to police the same as far as decomposing corpses and dealing with them in his former line of work.
No matter how the Anthonys try to retract their statements concerning the " smell" in the car I hope the judge sees fit to allow their statements in court at time of trial.

Me too. Those 911 calls and statements about the dead body are so important because they show that at one time, Cindy wasn't covering for Casey and cared about Caylee more. I'm half expecting her to go back on her Caylee is Alive tour at this rate of regression. How much more are you going sacrifice Caylee for Casey, Cindy? And why go so far for a person that wouldn't ever do the same for you? Cindy and George are pathetic and in denial beyond belief.

 

[Just Jayla]

While the defense may argue that CA's converstions with co-workers earlier in the day are indicative that the 911 call was not an excited utterance (weak avenue to take), it was CA herself that knocked that argument out-As written here before, CA says "My daughter just told me that she has not seen my granddaughter for a month" (paraphrasing).
If compared to the previous 911 calls where CA was clearly fibbing to the operator and was intent on punishing the truth out of KC, in the third call CA noted a revelation, including the adverbial "just" to note timing, that changed the course of her intent to get police there.
KC had to answer LA, but as soon as she did, CA used it against her. Her sociopathic inner-self must despise CA....
I also think it is interesting how finely the American justice system has whiddled down our law-Confronting your accuser used to be about some British guy with a white wig accusing colonists from accross the pond (or even loyalists making accusations here) with no justification-Now it is about whether a 911 call fits the bill of confrontation. Interesting stuff, how quickly we have evolved.

 

[The World According]

http://www.wftv.com/video/23980452/index.html
http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2010/...our-emergency/
Thank God in Heaven for these two , Mr. Hornsby and Mr. Sheaffer the calm voices of reason.


911 calls are coming in of course
TES fishing expo will not be allowed
Kronk prior bad acts will never be introduced into trial

I can just hear judge Perry now, "What's next?"

 

[The World According]

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2010/...our-emergency/


What is abundantly clear to me is that although he is semi retired, ( with time to do so ), Mr. Mason has not familiarized himself with all of the prior things that have went on in the case. He made statements on the courthouse steps as well as in his document (that wasn't recorded still yesterday morning that I could find), that are simply not historically or factually correct. I sat at my desk in shock reading the document, it was replete with wrong information from top to bottom!!!!

He will find out in a hurry on the 15th that what Grandma said on GMA she has been saying for two years now, same with TES volunteers saying they were unable to search because exact area was under water.

I once had an assistant twice my age, when a client would call with a question, every single time, she would get their number and say to them "Let me familiarize myself with the file and I will call you back." At first I thought that was so odd, why not get the file out of the darn drawer and answer them, put the file up and move on. (Maybe it was me, or possibly a regional thing since I am a damn Yankee and do everything in fast forward motion they tell me.) You know what I learned over the months, watching her? Her way was wise. She took her time and when she did call back she knew EXACTLY what she was saying, she was "Familiar" with the facts having taken that extra couple of minutes with the file. She helped teach me the timeless lesson it is better to get it right than to get it fast. Cheney needs Ms. Ruth, and a lot less hubris!!!!

She came to my mind immediately when I heard Mr. Mason saying those things as if TES and mom were divulging something new. He needed those few extra minutes, to familiarize himself with the file. Big Time. It matters.

Judge Perry certainly has before he dons his robe in the morning. You can bet your life on that. Sending Mrs. Burdick to review the files and assure herself nothing has been missed is the perfect example. Miss Ruth would have loved the way he works and put a muffin on his desk. She would have shook her finger at Mason, no muffin for you son, you are pretty full of yourself, you would do well to roll up your sleeves, take that smirk off your face and get to work, don't report you are ready until you have read your file.

Judge Stickland...the muffin is yours.







If you have not seen the motion yet, put down your cup, one should not be holding hot coffee while you look at this.

___________________________________________
http://www.wftv.com/news/23924161/detail.html



"WFTV also learned Monday, there's new information about the site where Caylee's body was found. The defense has now flip-flopped on claims it has made all along, claims it made that it had evidence that EquuSearch volunteers had already looked for Caylee in the woods where she was found months earlier and found nothing."

 

[faefrost]

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2010/...our-emergency/


What is abundantly clear to me is that although he is semi retired, ( with time to do so ), Mr. Mason has not familiarized himself with all of the prior things that have went on in the case. He made statements on the courthouse steps as well as in his document (that wasn't recorded still yesterday morning that I could find), that are simply not historically or factually correct. I sat at my desk in shock reading the document, it was replete with wrong information from top to bottom!!!!

He will find out in a hurry on the 15th that what Grandma said on GMA she has been saying for two years now, same with TES volunteers saying they were unable to search because exact area was under water.

I once had an assistant twice my age, when a client would call with a question, every single time, she would get their number and say to them "Let me familiarize myself with the file and I will call you back." At first I thought that was so odd, why not get the file out of the darn drawer and answer them, put the file up and move on. (Maybe it was me, or possibly a regional thing since I am a damn Yankee and do everything in fast forward motion they tell me.) You know what I learned over the months, watching her? Her way was wise. She took her time and when she did call back she knew EXACTLY what she was saying, she was "Familiar" with the facts having taken that extra couple of minutes with the file. She helped teach me the timeless lesson it is better to get it right than to get it fast. Cheney needs Ms. Ruth, and a lot less hubris!!!!

She came to my mind immediately when I heard Mr. Mason saying those things as if TES and mom were divulging something new. He needed those few extra minutes, to familiarize himself with the file. Big Time. It matters.

Judge Perry certainly has before he dons his robe in the morning. You can bet your life on that. Sending Mrs. Burdick to review the files and assure herself nothing has been missed is the perfect example. Miss Ruth would have loved the way he works and put a muffin on his desk. She would have shook her finger at Mason, no muffin for you son, you are pretty full of yourself, you would do well to roll up your sleeves, take that smirk off your face and get to work, don't report you are ready until you have read your file.

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If you have not seen the motion yet, put down your cup, one should not be holding hot coffee while you look at this.

In this way I actually feel a little sorry for CM coming in at the stage of this that he did. Remember he is by nature and training working mostly off of the formal case files and filings. Unless he is exhaustively persuing a resource such as this board or similar, he is just not getting all of the information that was delivered publicly out of court. The various interviews and curbside statements by JB and TM, who never met a camera they didn't like and seem real flexible with reality, by CA and GA on morning talk shows and curbside scream fests, just the idiotic streams of claims and comments that while not in the official record will turn up again to impeach the credibility, believability and sanity of his witnesses and co council.

I suspect that ol' CM will be ordering hisself a big bucket o' mint juleps come the 15th.

 

[beach]

In this way I actually feel a little sorry for CM coming in at the stage of this that he did. Remember he is by nature and training working mostly off of the formal case files and filings. Unless he is exhaustively persuing a resource such as this board or similar, he is just not getting all of the information that was delivered publicly out of court. The various interviews and curbside statements by JB and TM, who never met a camera they didn't like and seem real flexible with reality, by CA and GA on morning talk shows and curbside scream fests, just the idiotic streams of claims and comments that while not in the official record will turn up again to impeach the credibility, believability and sanity of his witnesses and co council.

I suspect that ol' CM will be ordering hisself a big bucket o' mint juleps come the 15th.

I agree, faefrost. I know a lot of people have not been impressed by him, and frankly I agree pretty much. However, I keep in mind that he is fighting 2 battles - the overwhelming incriminating evidence against KC AND the mess JB has created to date. I can pretty much guarantee that if CM had had this case from the get-go, we would have seen a vastly different defense strategy. Not to say he would have a winning case, but I think he spends many a day/night cursing JB for the mess he has created while trying to figure a way to minimize the damage.

 

[beach]

http://blog.richardhornsby.com/2010/...our-emergency/



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If you have not seen the motion yet, put down your cup, one should not be holding hot coffee while you look at this.

TWA, THANK YOU SO MUCH for posting the motion we have been waiting to see!!! And, THANKS to our own rhornsby for providing the doc!
:blowkiss: x 10 to you both!


Okay, now I see why LDB said that the defense did not fully understand their argument in the SA's 911 motion! Lord have mercy....CM's motion may have had a pretty decent shot IF the State was trying to get them in under the spontaneous statement and/or excited utterance excpetions. Although, I do not agree, he still makes a pretty decent argument. HOWEVER, CM was assuming too much. He should have read and interpreted the SA's initial motion more carefully. Heck, Richard Hornsby figured it out.

I am almost embarrassed for him.

 

[21merc7]

I too feel sorry for CM and what a mess he has to go through just to figure out what is going on, what the "experts" have done so far, where to go. Granted the weakest link in the case is "who put Caylee there", but I think the botany, wear to bones, etc... will cover that.

As far as the 911 tapes, I believe they will be put in, however, keep in mind, they are not completely necessary. GA already made his statements, Yuri did, and whatever reports were done by the labs.

The only thing the 911 tapes show is CA is not cooperating, and KC just did not give a hoot at the time of the calls.

 

[strawberry]

He will find out in a hurry on the 15th that what Grandma said on GMA she has been saying for two years now, same with TES volunteers saying they were unable to search because exact area was under water.

If you have not seen the motion yet, put down your cup, one should not be holding hot coffee while you look at this.

___________________________________________
http://www.wftv.com/news/23924161/detail.html

Respectfully snipped. Just read the motion...the depositions shed some critical light on the 911 calls? The coworkers said the same thing they did in their police interviews! CA was obviously in shock (IMO) if she was saying the car smelled like a dead body but she had work to do. They had to force her to go face reality! Didn't make it any less horrifying when she found out that Caylee was missing...that WAS new!! If these depositions shed some light for them, that means either they are not reading discovery or they really do think there is some huge conspiracy and did not believe the police interview was true.:banghead:

 

[countzero]

Why feel sorry for any of the defense team...... they made a conscience decision to be part of it knowing exactly what had transpired from July 17, 2008.

Knowledge aside, it was egos that had them sign on the dotted line, nothing less. Oh and a money bucket in royalty fees when it's over.

 

[beach]

Why feel sorry for any of the defense team...... they made a conscience decision to be part of it knowing exactly what had transpired from July 17, 2008.

Knowledge aside, it was egos that had them sign on the dotted line, nothing less. Oh and a money bucket in royalty fees when it's over.

I agree. Personally, I don't "feel sorry" for him, for the reasons you mentioned. I just think he has a mess on his hands (by his own choice to join up) and probably does of alot of "WTH, JB?!". I think we would have seen a MUCH different defense strategy and a better attempt at client/family control had be been lead counsel from the onset. Just to clarify, I haven't seen anything that has impressed me much, but I do think he is MUCH better than JB.

 

[strawberry]

Just realized the next hearing will be on the 2 year mark of CA locating KC and actually making the 9-1-1 calls. Right? They seem to do that a lot..have hearings on significant dates.

 

[beach]

Just realized the next hearing will be on the 2 year mark of CA locating KC and actually making the 9-1-1 calls. Right? They seem to do that a lot..have hearings on significant dates.

You are spot on, strawberry! I had not even made that connection yet.

 

[Aedrys]

I don't feel sorry for CM. He has had time to familiarize himself with this case and make it better. And if he really intended to do something about it, he would take the time to familiarize himself with this case. He has no excuse whatsover for continuing to be all aw-shucks-bear-with-me-and-don't-put-me-on-the-spot-y'all. Instead, he's not doing a damn thing to even begin familiarizing himself with this case, and appears to be just stringing together what he thinks he can find and do barely nothing with it. He has not added to this case in a meaningful manner at all. Yes, there was a mess there, but no one, not even CM, has even begun to try and clean it up. It's like it just sits there and they dance around it, hoping it'll clean up itself.

The 911 calls motion just makes me shake my head. Did you even READ the state's motion? Can't you hire competent people to read it and interpret it correctly? Is there anyone on the defense team that can put two brain cells together and come up with ONE GOOD ARGUMENT? You know, actually DEFEND instead of DELAY THE INEVITABLE OUTCOME for your client?

I don't feel sorry for Casey because she could have found better people, but dang if this defense team isn't the one of the worst I've ever seen. Seriously. I think they're already giving up on the TES documents motions and hoping beyond hope that they get the 911 call motion, which they won't. Asking questions is great, but asking inane questions with little back up or the wrong back up, and praying you get the answer you want is NOT the way to defend a client.

And as a Southerner, I just want to boot CM out of the South! We don't want him anymore! But we'll keep Foghorn Leghorn, the cartoon, not CM. We have way more respect for a human sized cartoon chicken than CM at this point.

 

[faefrost]

I agree. Personally, I don't "feel sorry" for him, for the reasons you mentioned. I just think he has a mess on his hands (by his own choice to join up) and probably does of alot of "WTH, JB?!". I think we would have seen a MUCH different defense strategy and a better attempt at client/family control had be been lead counsel from the onset. Just to clarify, I haven't seen anything that has impressed me much, but I do think he is MUCH better than JB.

I am not sure I would want to put "at least I can do a better job than JB" on my legal resume? That's kind of like claiming professional standing as a miniature golf player.