2010.06.09 Prosecutors File for 911 Calls to Come into Trial

[beach]

THANKS!
So, maybe that explains Cindy's sour puss at the "emergency" (NOT) Hearing last Friday - if she got the subpoena a week ago!

I was thinking the same! And might help explain KC's mood.


whew.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I was thinking the same! And might help explain KC's mood.


whew.

Didn't think of that! Whew is right!

I actually feel bad for Lee. I wouldn't even want to be in the same room with my sister if she accused me of sexual abuse. He's done a good job of distancing himself from all of this (which I respect) and here he gets dragged back in, only this time as an accused (falsely, I believe) sexual predator.

It's going to be interesting to see how Lee answers questions and if he makes any eye contact with Casey. It will also be interesting if Casey can actually look at her brother after those accusations.

 

[ThinkTank]

Question..... will the "use immunity" cover Cindy when she testifies on the 15th, if (when) she perjures herself?

 

[ThinkTank]

Didn't think of that! Whew is right!

I actually feel bad for Lee. I wouldn't even want to be in the same room with my sister if she accused me of sexual abuse. He's done a good job of distancing himself from all of this (which I respect) and here he gets dragged back in, only this time as an accused (falsely, I believe) sexual predator.

It's going to be interesting to see how Lee answers questions and if he makes any eye contact with Casey. It will also be interesting if Casey can actually look at her brother after those accusations.

Remember Lee in the Zenaida deposition - "I believe EVERYTHING my sister says"!

 

[beach]

Question..... will the "use immunity" cover Cindy when she testifies on the 15th, if (when) she perjures herself?

Use immunity does not protect one from perjury.

 

[beach]

Remember Lee in the Zenaida deposition - "I believe EVERYTHING my sister says"!

yeah, but I'm a sucker for the ONLY Anthony who has tried to stay out of the media circus.


I really think the only thing Lee is going to be asked to testify to is the night of 7/15 when they were trying to get Casey to explain why she "couldn't" take CA to see Caylee that night. He was the one in the room while CA was pacing in the garage. It goes to the why and when the 911 calls were made. And specifically in re. the SA's motion, it goes to the motive for KC to concoct the Zenaida kidnapping story. She was busted and the police were on their way.

I am praying he doesn't perjure himself trying to save his sister who has thrown him down on the train tracks.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

If Lee falls back into the Anthony camp on the stand I will be extremely disappointed....I've been hoping Lee has seen the light since he removed himself from the circus.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I'm thinking if Mallory shows up to support Lee, that he will be truthful and he finally sees Casey for the monster she is.

If he sits with his parents and Cindy rubs her hands on his back, then he is still one of them.

 

[kaRN]

Will Cindy and Lee be allowed to hear each others testimony?

 

[beach]

Will Cindy and Lee be allowed to hear each others testimony?

I know during the trial they would NOT be allowed to. I am assuming the same rule will apply at this hearing.


Let me clarify - the one who testifies first would be allowed to hear the second witness' testimony, UNLESS there is reason to think the first witness would need to be re-called to the stand.

 

[RR0004]

And THIS is exactly where the defense is going to BOMB and what RH was referring to in his blog. The defense is going in prepared to rebut the "excited utterance" and/or "spontaneous statement" exception to hearsay and that is not at all what the SA is asserting in their motion.

That was also EXACTLY what Linda Drane-Burdick was trying to get through CM's pompous hard head at the hearing on 6/21 when she said, (para) "The defense doesn't understand the basis of our motion."

I don't know whether to :banghead: or :floorlaugh:

I'm not sure why they're so d*rn confused...consciousness of guilt was pretty well laid out. Great way to get the tapes in, KWIM?

 

[RR0004]

I know. I'm wondering if getting this supoena means he's retained his old lawyer, or did both go through Conway?

I also wonder if there will be anger at CA for the incest lies in her letters. That can't sit well with him. I wonder if he'll ignore his whole family, or just Casey. Or worse case scenario, I am going to gag if it's a lovey dovey family reunion. Oh please. Like anyone is going to believe that.

I'm also wondering how big of a headache Conway has right now, and if he's hit the sauce yet. Knowing how those two were the last time they were on a stand, he's got to be worried about them this time too. There's no guarantee they are going to behave and not act inappropriately up there.

Btw, it has to be the SA that issued the subpoenas. There is no way, unless Baez truly has no brain, that the defense would possibly want to turn the courtroom into a circus again. That won't look good for Casey or her family. He would be crazy to be the one to issue those subpoenas. But the SA, oh yes, I can definitely see them wanting to tear the two apart on the stand to give them a glimpse of what's to come at trial. SA so issued those subpoenas.

ITA...Lee's testimony as to the development of Casey's story will collaborate the 911 calls. I don't know why, but I never thought about him coming in and testifying. He's done a good job removing himself from the scene. I had forgotten about him...lol.

 

[mitzi]

Lee and Cindy testifying? *thud*

*wakes up* OMG!!!!! This will be a hell of a hearing! I wonder why George isn't testifying as well? Damn, I may have to take the whole day off for this hearing!

At least we'll get to see Lee and if he's still on Casey's side at this point, which sadly, I think he will be. I am not getting my hopes up. I wonder what Casey's reaction will be at seeing him for the first time in so long?

Still, I can't wait for this hearing! It'll have more fireworks than the 4th of July!

Bold mine.

I already DID take the 15th off work! LOL! :dance::dance::dance:

opcorn: anyone?

 

[mitzi]

I know. I'm wondering if getting this supoena means he's retained his old lawyer, or did both go through Conway?

I also wonder if there will be anger at CA for the incest lies in her letters. That can't sit well with him. I wonder if he'll ignore his whole family, or just Casey. Or worse case scenario, I am going to gag if it's a lovey dovey family reunion. Oh please. Like anyone is going to believe that.

I'm also wondering how big of a headache Conway has right now, and if he's hit the sauce yet. Knowing how those two were the last time they were on a stand, he's got to be worried about them this time too. There's no guarantee they are going to behave and not act inappropriately up there.

Btw, it has to be the SA that issued the subpoenas. There is no way, unless Baez truly has no brain, that the defense would possibly want to turn the courtroom into a circus again. That won't look good for Casey or her family. He would be crazy to be the one to issue those subpoenas. But the SA, oh yes, I can definitely see them wanting to tear the two apart on the stand to give them a glimpse of what's to come at trial. SA so issued those subpoenas.

I love LDB, but gosh, I hope Ashton is back from Tennessee in time! I'd love to see him tear Cindy apart! :blushing: Bad Mitzi! :blushing:

 

[logicalgirl]

I was thinking the same! And might help explain KC's mood.


whew.

Yowzers! I can't leave this board for a week to paint a condo, pack, move and unpack and look what everyone gets up to. :blowkiss:

Baez embarrasses himself yet again at his emerg hearing, :gavel: :croc:

Lyons up and takes the bus back home for good, :boohoo:

and now Cindy and Lee will be testifying at the July 15th hearing.:slap:
:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Wow! The fur will fly and the sparks will start a fire that day! Can't wait!!opcorn:artyguy::saythat:

 

[beach]

I'm not sure why they're so d*rn confused...consciousness of guilt was pretty well laid out. Great way to get the tapes in, KWIM?

Actually, the SA's argument is not to show 'consciousness of guilt' - it is to show the context and motive for the reason KC fabricated the Zenaida/kidnapping story and entry of the 3rd call is to show KC's state of mind (monotone affect vs. CA's hysteria).

Think of it this way - when JA and YM escorted KC to Universal and she reached the end of the hallway to her non-existent office, she was BUSTED. She had no office. No job. She had no choice but to admit she lied.

Same thing with the SA's motive/context argument. CA had finally found Casey and brought her butt home. Lee was there. They were not accepting her plea for "one more day". Cindy had called 911 twice already and the cops were on their way. Lee even asked Casey, "What are you going to tell them?" At that point, Casey had no choice BUT to concoct a story. She was out of 'outs'.

That is the legal basis for the SA's argument. Don't get me wrong - EVERYTHING ELSE is icing on the cake! Those calls are damning in every sense. So, CA's "there smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" will be in there, but that is not the legal basis that the SA is attempting to get the 911 calls admitted.

HTH.

 

[RR0004]

Actually, the SA's argument is not to show 'consciousness of guilt' - it is to show the context and motive for the reason KC fabricated the Zenaida/kidnapping story and entry of the 3rd call is to show KC's state of mind (monotone affect vs. CA's hysteria).

Think of it this way - when JA and YM escorted KC to Universal and she reached the end of the hallway to her non-existent office, she was BUSTED. She had no office. No job. She had no choice but to admit she lied.

Same thing with the SA's motive/context argument. CA had finally found Casey and brought her butt home. Lee was there. They were not accepting her plea for "one more day". Cindy had called 911 twice already and the cops were on their way. Lee even asked Casey, "What are you going to tell them?" At that point, Casey had no choice BUT to concoct a story. She was out of 'outs'.

That is the legal basis for the SA's argument. Don't get me wrong - EVERYTHING ELSE is icing on the cake! Those calls are damning in every sense. So, CA's "there smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" will be in there, but that is not the legal basis that the SA is attempting to get the 911 calls admitted.

HTH.

So they have to set the stage, in other words...because the phone calls preceded the trip down memory lane at Universal. IMO there's only one reason or motive for her lying...she knew she was guilty of something (trying to be diplomatic). Hmmm...the defense will have their hands full.

ETA: Just laying things out...

The calls show how "the defendant 'created' the kidnapping story after denying there was any problem locating Caylee Marie Anthony," Burdick states. "These fabrications demonstrate consciousness of guilt on the part of the defendant …"

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._caylee-marie-cindy-anthony-child-murder-case

ETA: went to hunt down the State's motion as fast as I could (bedtime)...sorry, this is what I came up with...

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/061010anthony911calls/1/lg/Anthony_911_Calls_2.htm

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

Actually, the SA's argument is not to show 'consciousness of guilt' - it is to show the context and motive for the reason KC fabricated the Zenaida/kidnapping story and entry of the 3rd call is to show KC's state of mind (monotone affect vs. CA's hysteria).

Think of it this way - when JA and YM escorted KC to Universal and she reached the end of the hallway to her non-existent office, she was BUSTED. She had no office. No job. She had no choice but to admit she lied.

Same thing with the SA's motive/context argument. CA had finally found Casey and brought her butt home. Lee was there. They were not accepting her plea for "one more day". Cindy had called 911 twice already and the cops were on their way. Lee even asked Casey, "What are you going to tell them?" At that point, Casey had no choice BUT to concoct a story. She was out of 'outs'.

That is the legal basis for the SA's argument. Don't get me wrong - EVERYTHING ELSE is icing on the cake! Those calls are damning in every sense. So, CA's "there smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car" will be in there, but that is not the legal basis that the SA is attempting to get the 911 calls admitted.

HTH.

And because of Lee's question (RBBM) and answer SA found it necessary to subpoena Lee as well as Cindy. Thanks beach, I kept wondering why it was necessary to have him there too ~ and you laid it all out for me.

 

[RR0004]

And because of Lee's question (RBBM) and answer SA found it necessary to subpoena Lee as well as Cindy. Thanks beach, I kept wondering why it was necessary to have him there too ~ and you laid it all out for me.

Personally, I think Casey's "no affect" response will sink her.

 

[beach]

So they have to set the stage, in other words...because the phone calls preceded the trip down memory lane at Universal. IMO there's only one reason or motive for her lying...she knew she was guilty of something (trying to be diplomatic). Hmmm...the defense will have their hands full.

ETA: Just laying things out...

The calls show how "the defendant 'created' the kidnapping story after denying there was any problem locating Caylee Marie Anthony," Burdick states. "These fabrications demonstrate consciousness of guilt on the part of the defendant …"

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com..._caylee-marie-cindy-anthony-child-murder-case

Thanks for that link and quote from LDB! I have been trying to locate the SA's actual motion and can't find it. It does appear she is claiming it goes to show her consciousness of guilt.


To clarify - I only used the Universal scenairo as an anology. It doesn't have anything to do with the admissibility of the 911 calls. Basically, I was trying to show that she was BUSTED both times. She admitted she lied to JA & YM. However, her 'out' when confronted by CA and LA was to fabricate the Zenaida kidnapping story. The timing of the 911 calls put it in context and the fact that she could not produce Caylee goes to motive of why she chose to tell that crazy story.


ETA: SA's Response to Admission of 911 Calls
(Thanks RR0004 for digging it out!)

After reading that motion, I must conclude that CM had NEVER read it when he spoke at his press conference on 6/21. LDB is very clear and included numerous citations in her legal argument.