2010.06.09 Prosecutors File for 911 Calls to Come into Trial

[Dignity4Victims]

Actually, all those people that you mentioned (not the dog), did nothing about the smell for a long time.IMO Everyone seems to be right in sync with Ca on their actions. Simon went back to work, Ga went back to work, Le did not secure the car until the next day. IMO Seems no one took this smell serious enough to do anything about it right away. IMO

First and foremost, it was George and Cindy's responsibility to immediately phone LE from the tow yard and report the smell of that car. George was LE and admittedly knew the car smelled like a dead body as he prayed to God in the tow yard that it wasn't his Caylee. What type of grandfather, much less experienced in LE, would not do so if he really cherished his granddaughter? He even admitted to the FBI that it smelled horribly of human decomposition, followed by him throwing up during that same interview.

George should have been the one to phone 911 from that tow yard, never even moving that car. Cindy, if she had an honest bone in her body, should have relayed that information during her first phone call to 911. Although she wasn't a practicing nurse and only had a desk job of paperwork, she did have nurse training and she admittedly knew the smell was that of a dead body. Yet neither of them, even then, stood for Caylee and instead, they protected Casey.

It was George and Cindy's car that reeked, their daughter who was responsible for driving that car, their granddaughter who was immediately thought to be the deceased victim in that car, they had years upon years of Casey's lies, thefts and deceit, and the experience of 31 days of Casey purposely keeping Caylee away from Cindy. Don't tell me they didn't know.

As for LE, they did have an officer stationed at the house guarding that car every minute until it was picked up.

 

[strawberry]

Who is Debbie P? Not mentioned in either Charles c or Debbie b interview. Which summary is that one? thanks

NTS, I don't know if you saw post #296 yet but it's there.

 

[Mendara]

If CA was reporting her daughter to LE on July 15th about stealing money, and a stolen car she could have done that after 24 hours after ICA and Caylee left her home. CA said, she was never away from Caylee for more than a day. The first two 911 calls never mention the smell in the trunk, so why didn't CA go to LE on those charges earlier?

IMHO - CA kept asking KC to take her to Caylee. KC kept refusing and making up excuses that Cindy at that point believed, this is during the first two 911 calls. Cindy was desperate to SEE Caylee with her own eyes and begged KC and then Lee stepped in and said they just want to see Caylee and will not wake her up or disturb her if she was asleep at the nanny's house. This part always hurts my heart - because there were times when my son's father would take my son for a visit and disappear and I would have that same desperation of JUST WANTING TO SEE HIM.

I think after some time of not getting anywhere with KC - CA put three things together - CAYLEE not being seen or heard of for 31 days + KC's smelly CAR + KC refusing to let them SEE Caylee = FEAR and this caused her to blurt out the smell to the 911 operator - because she suspected the same thing we all did at that very moment.

It was honest horrible fear and the truth.

 

[AZlawyer]

Yes, according to the 911 call. IMO And I wonder if that falls under the definition of kidnapping. If you leave your child with a babysitter and the babysitter wont return the child, is that kidnapping?

Yes!

Anyone remember what CA told Amy on their way to find Casey? I thought she mentioned something about the odor of the car.

On July 23, 2008, Amy told LE that Cindy had told her "the car smelled like something had died." The 911 call was released on July 24, 2008.

 

[strawberry]

:yow:

Entire thread on that one...and it goes 'round & 'round. Let's at least keep the spinning plates on-topic. OK?

Can someone point me towards this thread? I can't find it? The question was "Has anyone here smelled a dead person and a dead animal and can they tell me how the smells are different?" TIA

 

[LindseyLou]

This gentleman is on the state witness list. It would be a literal disaster for Cindy to be on the stand, the jury hear her 911 call and the sheer agony in her voice, have Cindy say that was a lie, then very next witness up the jury hears from the co worker telling that Cindy came in the door and began telling them Casey's car they just recovered from a tow yard, it smells like a dead body and she cannot account for Caylee's whereabouts. They tell her she must call the police.

Very good point! I didn't even think about witnesses that heard her say the car smelled like a dead body. If you can recall CA's police interview where they called her out on her own lies about when LE picked up the car and that the A's knew who had taken Caylee and were trying to locate the person, that right then told me that she was not a truthful person.

 

[marspiter]

Can someone point me towards this thread? I can't find it? The question was "Has anyone here smelled a dead person and a dead animal and can they tell me how the smells are different?" TIA

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Here is a link to the proper thread. I have personally smelled human decomp on a number of occasions. One was a family member who had died in their home and was there for 2 weeks. Others have been older people who's families called in a wellfare check to 911 and I responded as part of the volunteer fire department as a first responder.

Human decomp is far more pungent and physically repulsive then an animal imho. In order to even be around it you pretty much have to be really used to it or vicks vapor rub just under the nose works. Also for the family member that was in the home for two weeks. The house was sold about several mouths after they died. This was with all the furniture gone and the walls primed and repainted. The hardwood was redone too in order to fix the stain. You could still smell it. It was faint but still there. The only way to get it out I think would have been to remove the drywall as the smell seemed to permeate from the walls in that room. We had a professional company come in to "clean" as well.

Now I have never smelled a decomposing pig to compare but I can also say human decomp does not smell like the bag of potatoes my wife left in the bottom of our kitchen island cart for a couple months. Lol I replaced two trash cans cause we couldn't figure out what the "trash" smell was.

BJB I know this is OT so if you feel the need to move it. Just wanted to answer strawberry's question

 

[LindseyLou]

Dead Folks and Decomp *WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOS*#2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Here is a link to the proper thread. I have personally smelled human decomp on a number of occasions. One was a family member who had died in their home and was there for 2 weeks. Others have been older people who's families called in a wellfare check to 911 and I responded as part of the volunteer fire department as a first responder.

Human decomp is far more pungent and physically repulsive then an animal imho. In order to even be around it you pretty much have to be really used to it or vicks vapor rub just under the nose works. Also for the family member that was in the home for two weeks. The house was sold about several mouths after they died. This was with all the furniture gone and the walls primed and repainted. The hardwood was redone too in order to fix the stain. You could still smell it. It was faint but still there. The only way to get it out I think would have been to remove the drywall as the smell seemed to permeate from the walls in that room. We had a professional company come in to "clean" as well.

Now I have never smelled a decomposing pig to compare but I can also say human decomp does not smell like the bag of potatoes my wife left in the bottom of our kitchen island cart for a couple months. Lol I replaced two trash cans cause we couldn't figure out what the "trash" smell was.

BJB I know this is OT so if you feel the need to move it. Just wanted to answer strawberry's question

Thank you that was very helpful! So if you were like GA for instance and had smelled dead bodies before....you would know the difference immediately when you opened the car whether it was an animal or a body? i.e., there is a distinct difference in the smell?

 

[strawberry]

Dead Folks and Decomp *WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTOS*#2 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

Here is a link to the proper thread. I have personally smelled human decomp on a number of occasions. One was a family member who had died in their home and was there for 2 weeks. Others have been older people who's families called in a wellfare check to 911 and I responded as part of the volunteer fire department as a first responder.

Human decomp is far more pungent and physically repulsive then an animal imho. In order to even be around it you pretty much have to be really used to it or vicks vapor rub just under the nose works. Also for the family member that was in the home for two weeks. The house was sold about several mouths after they died. This was with all the furniture gone and the walls primed and repainted. The hardwood was redone too in order to fix the stain. You could still smell it. It was faint but still there. The only way to get it out I think would have been to remove the drywall as the smell seemed to permeate from the walls in that room. We had a professional company come in to "clean" as well.

Now I have never smelled a decomposing pig to compare but I can also say human decomp does not smell like the bag of potatoes my wife left in the bottom of our kitchen island cart for a couple months. Lol I replaced two trash cans cause we couldn't figure out what the "trash" smell was.

BJB I know this is OT so if you feel the need to move it. Just wanted to answer strawberry's question

Thank you thank you thank you! Back on topic... I agree with NTS that CA used the stolen car as a reason to get LE involved but I think the panic in her voice and the fact that she just found out Caylee was missing indicates the dead body comment was in fact an excited utterance.

 

[Dignity4Victims]

Thank you that was very helpful! So if you were like GA for instance and had smelled dead bodies before....you would know the difference immediately when you opened the car whether it was an animal or a body? i.e., there is a distinct difference in the smell?

Yes it is. Unfortunately, I have smelled it more times than I care to remember.

George even admitted during his interview with the FBI, "It's a smell you never forget."

He knew. So did Cindy, and although Cindy is lying about it now, both of them admitted it to various people. Likely why George, rather than Cindy, was forced to testify to the GJury against Casey.

 

[faefrost]

Thank you that was very helpful! So if you were like GA for instance and had smelled dead bodies before....you would know the difference immediately when you opened the car whether it was an animal or a body? i.e., there is a distinct difference in the smell?

Oh yeah. I can personally attest, as someone who experienced the smells in question. There is no mistaking "dead human" once you encounter it. Smaller animals such as dogs, cats etc don't smell the same. Something about human decomposition just drills straight into you in ways that nothing else does.

And GA knew exactly what it was from the moment he smelled it. he expected to find a body in that trunk, thats why he had the tow operator stand next to him when he opened it. He expected it to be KC in there. he clearly states that in one of his early LE interviews (I think he started throwing up right after he said it).

As far as the timing. Many people will know what that smell is. Many will instinctively know. And go with their gut reactions, such as Cindy's 911 call. But unless there is clear physical evidence they will not necessarily act on it. LE didn't impound the car right away because at that point they were still operating in a missing child mode. It took a few hours for the reality of the situation to fully catch up to the folks on the ground. Maybe LE should have been a little quicker or more proactive in sealing that car and securing evidence, but it wasn't until the next morning (a few hours later, not a whole day) that they began to get a sense of the magnitude of KC's lies and come to the realization that the child may have come to that degree of harm. Remember part of what keeps us reading and following this case is the true horror of just how unthinkable it is, what happened to that little girl. LE doesn't really jump to that conclusion any faster than us.

There is a bit of a time lag for most people between encountering that smell and thinking "it smells like a dead body" and coming to the realization "OMG there really is a dead body!". I'll give Cindy the benefit of the doubt on this one. Her hindbrain was screaming at her in panic over that smell, you can hear it in her voice. But chances are she had not yet made the mental jump to "Cayleigh is dead and is what I smell". A similar patern can be seen in Georges later statements to the effect that the dead body in the trunk was not his granddaughters. and the implications that someone else must have put a different dead body in the trunk.

And at this stage all of the denials get absurd. They are still fighting and denying things that became alot less important the moment that the actual remains were discovered. There was an actual and proven dead body in play around the Anthony home and family members. That poor little girls. There was only 1 such dead body in play. The trunk smell and the biological materials in the trunk were absolutely critical before the discovery of the disposal site. Now they are just a rather obvious link in the chain of movement. One that no reasonable observer will disbelieve or dismiss.

 

[marspiter]

Thank you that was very helpful! So if you were like GA for instance and had smelled dead bodies before....you would know the difference immediately when you opened the car whether it was an animal or a body? i.e., there is a distinct difference in the smell?

As Dignity4Victims pointed out. Yes there is a very distinct difference. It's one of those things where you can't explain it because it's so unique. That and I think there is a certain psychological effect as well which is why George said you'll never forget it. He's 100% correct.

Once again though I don't wish to drive this thread off course so I promise not to talk about decomp after this post. :angel:

 

[LindseyLou]

Remember part of what keeps us reading and following this case is the true horror of just how unthinkable it is, what happened to that little girl. LE doesn't really jump to that conclusion any faster than us.

I cannot get those thoughts out of my head: she actually took that sweet child and did SOMETHING horrible to her, then when she was dead she had to see her child's dead body for how many days until she started smelling the smell of it, then had to bag up her sweet baby's dead corpse and throw her off in the woods near their home. [Can you even imagine what kind of person would be capable of doing that????]

It is just unthinkable to me. I have a one year old daughter and I couldn't even think of something happening to her...I would give my life in exchange for hers any day - hands down no questions asked.

Thank you guys/girls for going off topic to settle that matter.

 

[jon_burrows]

Yes!



On July 23, 2008, Amy told LE that Cindy had told her "the car smelled like something had died." The 911 call was released on July 24, 2008.

Thanks AZ, you have a great memory.

The dates in your post are very important. It shows the media could not have influenced Amy's memory because the 911 call had not been released.

I don't see how Cindy can say, with a straight face, that she didn't mean the car smelled like death when she told so many other people the same thing. Amy had already agreed to take her to Casey and they were in the car on their way to Tony's apartment. But then again, the As seem to lie with ease. I've never seen anything like it thankfully.

I definitely think they've been coached on how to conduct interviews and how to garner sympathy but I don't think Cindy will be able to contain herself during TOUGH questioning under oath from the SA. She will get hostile and once the jurors see her lie, any sympathy they may feel will be gone.

Cindy and George need to learn a lesson from Anita. When you coddle a murderer and manage to get them off, they kill again. If they have an ounce of sympathy for their fellow man, they won't want Casey out preying on innocent people and heaven forbid, bringing another child into this world considering what happened to her first child.

IMO

 

[Dignity4Victims]

Oh yeah. I can personally attest, as someone who experienced the smells in question. There is no mistaking "dead human" once you encounter it. Smaller animals such as dogs, cats etc don't smell the same. Something about human decomposition just drills straight into you in ways that nothing else does.

And GA knew exactly what it was from the moment he smelled it. he expected to find a body in that trunk, thats why he had the tow operator stand next to him when he opened it. He expected it to be KC in there. he clearly states that in one of his early LE interviews (I think he started throwing up right after he said it).

As far as the timing. Many people will know what that smell is. Many will instinctively know. And go with their gut reactions, such as Cindy's 911 call. But unless there is clear physical evidence they will not necessarily act on it. LE didn't impound the car right away because at that point they were still operating in a missing child mode. It took a few hours for the reality of the situation to fully catch up to the folks on the ground. Maybe LE should have been a little quicker or more proactive in sealing that car and securing evidence, but it wasn't until the next morning (a few hours later, not a whole day) that they began to get a sense of the magnitude of KC's lies and come to the realization that the child may have come to that degree of harm. Remember part of what keeps us reading and following this case is the true horror of just how unthinkable it is, what happened to that little girl. LE doesn't really jump to that conclusion any faster than us.

There is a bit of a time lag for most people between encountering that smell and thinking "it smells like a dead body" and coming to the realization "OMG there really is a dead body!". I'll give Cindy the benefit of the doubt on this one. Her hindbrain was screaming at her in panic over that smell, you can hear it in her voice. But chances are she had not yet made the mental jump to "Cayleigh is dead and is what I smell". A similar patern can be seen in Georges later statements to the effect that the dead body in the trunk was not his granddaughters. and the implications that someone else must have put a different dead body in the trunk.

And at this stage all of the denials get absurd. They are still fighting and denying things that became alot less important the moment that the actual remains were discovered. There was an actual and proven dead body in play around the Anthony home and family members. That poor little girls. There was only 1 such dead body in play. The trunk smell and the biological materials in the trunk were absolutely critical before the discovery of the disposal site. Now they are just a rather obvious link in the chain of movement. One that no reasonable observer will disbelieve or dismiss.

Man, that is the truth, absurd indeed! It's also interesting that only now, since the Defense fears the impact of the 911 calls on the Jury, does Cindy try to lie her way out of that one! It will be interesting to see which story she goes with on the stand. Jurors detest liars. Especially family members who lie for the defendant. They're insulting, and quite obvious to the Jury.

 

[notthatsmart]

I cannot get those thoughts out of my head: she actually took that sweet child and did SOMETHING horrible to her, then when she was dead she had to see her child's dead body for how many days until she started smelling the smell of it, then had to bag up her sweet baby's dead corpse and throw her off in the woods near their home. [Can you even imagine what kind of person would be capable of doing that????]

It is just unthinkable to me. I have a one year old daughter and I couldn't even think of something happening to her...I would give my life in exchange for hers any day - hands down no questions asked.

Thank you guys/girls for going off topic to settle that matter.

That is just it. You hit the nail on the head. It is unthinkable, and unlikely IMO If a jury is to believe such a far fetched story as this, the State better have some real solid evidence. IMO Sorry to be off topic, but I find what you said to be very important and probably going to be in the closing statements. IMO

 

[marspiter]

That is just it. You hit the nail on the head. It is unthinkable, and unlikely IMO If a jury is to believe such a far fetched story as this, the State better have some real solid evidence. IMO Sorry to be off topic, but I find what you said to be very important and probably going to be in the closing statements. IMO

The problem with that theory is that it happens all the time and isn't that far fetched. This story happened a number of years in our state and I remember it very well. There are many parallels to this case imho. Some of the details of that case are even more outlandish then this one believe it or not.

http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/2_01/2_28_01/regional_fiske_admits.shtml

 

[strawberry]

That is just it. You hit the nail on the head. It is unthinkable, and unlikely IMO If a jury is to believe such a far fetched story as this, the State better have some real solid evidence. IMO Sorry to be off topic, but I find what you said to be very important and probably going to be in the closing statements. IMO

Lots of things are unthinkable that do happen. Drowning your two boys and claiming they were carjacked. Drowning your five children so they will go to heaven. Flying airliners into buildings. Kidnapping male prostitutes, eating part of them and storing the rest of them in vats in your apartment. A leader of a nation killing millions of people because they are Jewish. Sorry, IMO that dog don't hunt.

 

[Cat13067]

That is just it. You hit the nail on the head. It is unthinkable, and unlikely IMO If a jury is to believe such a far fetched story as this, the State better have some real solid evidence. IMO Sorry to be off topic, but I find what you said to be very important and probably going to be in the closing statements. IMO

I believe the State has solid evidence against ICA. Just look at the motions the defense wants tossed, it speaks volumes. The 911 calls, the car, the jail visitor list, GA's grand jury testimony, and the past felony offenses just to name a few. JP denied mostly all of the defense motions for a reason they are all pieces of the puzzle the jury will hear. In the closing statement from the prosecution the puzzle will be complete, and the jurors will announce their verdict. IMO The verdict will be guilty of murder in the first degree. Perhaps when GA, CA, and LA hear the verdict they can finally accept the fact that ICA killed their beautiful Caylee, and try to heal.

 

[LindseyLou]

The problem with that theory is that it happens all the time and isn't that far fetched. This story happened a number of years in our state and I remember it very well. There are many parallels to this case imho. Some of the details of that case are even more outlandish then this one believe it or not.

http://www.smokymountainnews.com/issues/2_01/2_28_01/regional_fiske_admits.shtml

WOW, that is just horrible. Do you think the charges tend to be different for a mother killing her newborn girl vs. a 2 year old girl? just wondering...
Sorry, I seem to be the queen of Off-Topic Discussions - just tell me to snap out of it and I'll stop. I have an over active imagination. LOL