2010.06.09 Prosecutors File for 911 Calls to Come into Trial

[goldleaf]

Maybe you can help me. I am looking a link to these claims of repeatedly telling others. I can only find Charles C that she told it smells like a dead body in the car. Any links would be helpful. thanks

I belive AZLawyer kindly provided you with the link regarding Charles C.

As a courtesy, it is post #266. I actually went back and looked for it.

In reading some of your posts you repeatedly ask others to find information for you, rather than do the work yourself.

If you are going to rely on other people to do your research in order for you to make your arguments, I think you should acknowledge your source and not take credit for something you did not do.

I hope I'm not splitting hairs over what you said and what you meant.

 

[RainyGirl]

That is just it. You hit the nail on the head. It is unthinkable, and unlikely IMO If a jury is to believe such a far fetched story as this, the State better have some real solid evidence. IMO Sorry to be off topic, but I find what you said to be very important and probably going to be in the closing statements. IMO

Sadly, mothers do murder their own flesh and blood. Casey murdering Caylee is not as "far fetched" as you may believe. We may wish to cover our ears, shield our eyes and declare that it can't be the child's mother that did it.....but the fact remains that IT HAPPENS. I could send you court transcripts that would make your tears flow, heart just sink and that would wipe out your entire supply of kleenex. "Mothers" killing their children, "fathers" killing their children, even BOTH "parents" in collusion together. There is nothing worse than the senseless homicide of a defenseless child........particularly when a mother is responsible. However, no matter how utterly senseless the crime, jurors (<----that's US!! "The People!!" Americans performing their civil duty!!!!) are not going to cover their ears, shield their eyes and completely go to Narnia in their head when hearing the facts of this case.

To try and steer this on topic:**When the jury hears Cindy's frantic excited utterance of "it smells like there's a dead body in the da^n car", that will resonate with each and every Juror like you could not believe (and NOT in favor of the defense).*** That kind of 911 recording is what my hubby calls evidentiary GOLD. I know I am very pro-Prosecution here (gee...ya think? ) but I do have tremendous faith in the integrity of Mr. Ashton and Ms. Drane-Burdick. Their excellent reputations and track record of solid, honest lawyering was known about PRIOR to this case. As far as the "far-fetched story"......THAT is the very definition of Casey's crazy lies and actions.....and THAT is what is going to have the jury shocked into disbelief that ANYTHING coming from the defense (Casey's "mouthpiece" here) is believable. "Bella Vida" indeed. I'll see ya'll back here when the 911 calls are admitted into evidence.

All of this JMO and PEACE be with you!

 

[notthatsmart]

NTS why are you looking for links? CA said DIRECTLY to the 911 Dispatcher "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car"!

Who knows who else was standing there with Charles C? I am sure LE has interviewed every person that works in CA's office. CA also told her supervisor Debbie P that (paraphrasing) "she didn't know what she would if the baby was dead". So my question is, why would she mention the "baby being dead" to Debbie P if she didn't ALREADY know in her gut (because of the smell), not her mind, that Caylee was indeed dead?

Because Kc said she hadn't seen her in 31 days. IMO

 

[The World According]

Sadly, mothers do murder their own flesh and blood. Casey murdering Caylee is not as "far fetched" as you may believe. We may wish to cover our ears, shield our eyes and declare that it can't be the child's mother that did it.....but the fact remains that IT HAPPENS. I could send you court transcripts that would make your tears flow, heart just sink and that would wipe out your entire supply of kleenex. "Mothers" killing their children, "fathers" killing their children, even BOTH "parents" in collusion together. There is nothing worse than the senseless homicide of a defenseless child........particularly when a mother is responsible. However, no matter how utterly senseless the crime, jurors (<----that's US!! "The People!!" Americans performing their civil duty!!!!) are not going to cover their ears, shield their eyes and completely go to Narnia in their head when hearing the facts of this case.
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To try and steer this on topic:**When the jury hears Cindy's frantic excited utterance of "it smells like there's a dead body in the da^n car", that will resonate with each and every Juror like you could not believe (and NOT in favor of the defense).*** That kind of 911 recording is what my hubby calls evidentiary GOLD. I know I am very pro-Prosecution here (gee...ya think? ) but I do have tremendous faith in the integrity of Mr. Ashton and Ms. Drane-Burdick. Their excellent reputations and track record of solid, honest lawyering was known about PRIOR to this case. As far as the "far-fetched story"......THAT is the very definition of Casey's crazy lies and actions.....and THAT is what is going to have the jury shocked into disbelief that ANYTHING coming from the defense (Casey's "mouthpiece" here) is believable. "Bella Vida" indeed. I'll see ya'll back here when the 911 calls are admitted into evidence.

All of this JMO and PEACE be with you!

:bow::bow::bow:
If one googles filicide, ( the act of killing one's own child ) nearly one hundred thousand articles pop up within twenty seconds. It is all too common. Just as sure as I believe in God, I know there is evil in this world. Thank you and thanks to your husband. Having a prosecutor in the family helps us know facts. I appreciate you very much and let your husband know Websleuths appreciates him helping with us when we have questions.
Filicide About 91,200 results (0.17 seconds) [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyMjA2XVRH4[/ame]

I agree with you about the prosecutors on this case, they enjoy excellent reputations in their legal and local communities. I trust that Caylee is in good and noble hands on her path to justice.

 

[notthatsmart]

A few weeks ago in our local general district court, I listened to a case where a tractor trailer driver had rear-ended a car in front of him, and he was charged with reckless driving (ultimately to be dropped to improper driving).
The officer testified that the trucker was following too closely when he accelerated upon a red light turning green, and he hit the car in front of him.
The trucker testified that the car in front of him had started from the light with normal momentum and he had given the car sufficient following distance-but the car suddenly slowed, too abruptly for him to stop his heavy truck. He reasoned that he was an experienced truck driver and had a good understanding of what occured.
The judge considered the trucker's career experience. However, as Her Honor noted, the police officer is specially trained to recognize these things (following too closely), and as such she would rely more heavily on the officer's testimony than that of the professional driver.
The trucker was found guilty, though she gave him leniency in the charges.

Whether they let this call in or not, whether CA is impeached or not-The state will have the testimony of an experienced officer that he smelled human decomposition in the Pontiac. CA and GA may be 'experts' in recognizing decomp, just like the trucker was a pro driver, but at the end of the day they have something to lose if they stick to the facts. I think the jury will rely more heavily on YM and JA's testimonies than whatever CA, GA or KC say in a 911 call or under oath.

What makes you think he will say that? He didn't say it in the bond hearing. IMO Why would he say it now?

 

[tlcya]

Because Kc said she hadn't seen her in 31 days. IMO

My head is spinning from the circular nature of your argument.

The 911 call is relevant because it is the excited depserate utterances of Caylee's gramma (whom she LIVED with) telling LE that her daughter (ICA) has just revealed to her that her beloved granddaughter has been missing for 31 days and that ICA has no idea where the child is.

Your argument is nonsensical because it hinges on the fact that because the child disappeared 31 days prior it is not an "excited utterance". In more than just my opinion, that makes the argument for it BEING an excited utterance. CA is excited and uttering that her daughter has kept Caylee's "disappearance" a secret for 31 DAYS! That is the reason for CA's excitement and desperation.

Your whole premise that because the disappeance took place 31 days prior not only doesn't make sense but actually makes my case for me that IT IS an excited utterance.

:banghead:

 

[The World According]

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLb0RYC1q5o[/ame]
Lead detective Yuri Melich,
"After speaking to Casey extensively, listening to all the stories,after trying to follow up all these leads, we obviously had to start to look elsewhere..... so we asked Mr. Anthony if we could seize the car and start looking for evidence inside it, if he would give permission for us to process the car and Mr. Anthony did sign an affidavit for us to do so.


I actually went into to smell the car
Before I came in to the child abuse unit, I was a homicide detective for two years for the Orange County Sheriff's department
In my experience the smell I smelled inside that car was decomposition."


The state has got this, do not worry. Remain calm. Judge Perry is going to calmly with authority and elegant manners going to simply say, according to case law_____, _______, and _________, the 911 calls will come in to trial. Ok, what's next on our list of motions this morning? He will turn his page and continue on...slightly looking up through his glasses to assure himself "All minds are clear".

 

[notthatsmart]

Charles C:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0320/18974997.pdf

Debbie B:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0320/18975014.pdf

I clicked on the thanks button but I know its not enough. The information you provide in these threads is priceless. Another poster put in a post that I was not giving credit where credit was due. They are absolutely right. I should not have waited for that kind of comment to generate a thanks to you. I truly am honored to discuss such a serious subject with you. I find you to be very fair. I realize that getting a thanks from me here in the minority may not always be a good thing, but darn it, you deserve the utmost of thanks from everyone. Even though I am in the minority and prolly disagree with you more than anyone on the forum, I truly respect you and find you to be the most fair of all. I would be honored to have you as a Judge in this great country of ours. If there was a way I could nominate you for Judge in your state in your local, I would. I have that much respect for you.

 

[steadychick]

Because Kc said she hadn't seen her in 31 days. IMO

That statement makes no sense whatsoever because KC is a proven liar. Sounds like what someone would say when backed into a corner with the facts. Makes me more convinced that ever that you have been playing devil's advocate all along. Waiting for the day, when the trial is over and KC has been convicted, that you come out of the closet and admit that you knew all along that KC was responsible for Caylee's death.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

NTS why are you looking for links? CA said DIRECTLY to the 911 Dispatcher "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car"!

Who knows who else was standing there with Charles C? I am sure LE has interviewed every person that works in CA's office. CA also told her supervisor Debbie P that (paraphrasing) "she didn't know what she would if the baby was dead". So my question is, why would she mention the "baby being dead" to Debbie P if she didn't ALREADY know in her gut (because of the smell), not her mind, that Caylee was indeed dead?

Because Kc said she hadn't seen her in 31 days. IMO

Yes, and Cindy had just realized the import of that combined with the dead body smell from the car. That's what forced her into realizing the seriousness and emergent nature of the situation. That's why it is an excited utterance. . . As opposed to Casey's conversation with 911 ~ Now, she's the one who had real prior knowledge and that's why she has such a flat voice and no emotional reaction.

The huge contrast between these two peoples' voices, reactions, and prior knowledge (all on the same 911 call) should make the distinction between what is an exited utterance and what is not ~ very, very clear.

 

[LindseyLou]

A few weeks ago in our local general district court, I listened to a case where a tractor trailer driver had rear-ended a car in front of him, and he was charged with reckless driving (ultimately to be dropped to improper driving).
The officer testified that the trucker was following too closely when he accelerated upon a red light turning green, and he hit the car in front of him.
The trucker testified that the car in front of him had started from the light with normal momentum and he had given the car sufficient following distance-but the car suddenly slowed, too abruptly for him to stop his heavy truck. He reasoned that he was an experienced truck driver and had a good understanding of what occured.
The judge considered the trucker's career experience. However, as Her Honor noted, the police officer is specially trained to recognize these things (following too closely), and as such she would rely more heavily on the officer's testimony than that of the professional driver.
The trucker was found guilty, though she gave him leniency in the charges.

Whether they let this call in or not, whether CA is impeached or not-The state will have the testimony of an experienced officer that he smelled human decomposition in the Pontiac. CA and GA may be 'experts' in recognizing decomp, just like the trucker was a pro driver, but at the end of the day they have something to lose if they stick to the facts. I think the jury will rely more heavily on YM and JA's testimonies than whatever CA, GA or KC say in a 911 call or under oath.

That's very true, unless the jurors also come to the conclusion that LE are all liars like the Anthonys claim they are...hehehe....

 

[LindseyLou]

Yes, and Cindy had just realized the import of that combined with the dead body smell from the car. That's what forced her into realizing the seriousness and emergent nature of the situation. That's why it is an excited utterance. . . As opposed to Casey's conversation with 911 ~ Now, she's the one who had real prior knowledge and that's why she has such a flat voice and no emotional reaction.

The huge contrast between these two peoples' voices, reactions, and prior knowledge (all on the same 911 call) should make the distinction between what is an exited utterance and what is not ~ very, very clear.

The way Casey says in the 911 call - "my daughter has been missing for 31 days" so nonchalantly like she has repeated that sentence over and over like a broken record - its just chilling in and of itself.

 

[chefmom]

The way Casey says in the 911 call - "my daughter has been missing for 31 days" so nonchalantly like she has repeated that sentence over and over like a broken record - its just chilling in and of itself.

ITA, LL! And, I think she HAD repeated that sentence over and over, maybe even in front of a mirror, so that when the day came that she finally got caught and had to come up with an explanation for Caylee's whereabouts, she'd be ready. I believe her answer was always going to be "31 days". Even if she had been caught 60 days later, she was going to say, "I haven't seen my daughter in 31 days." Just listen to the pattern of her speech when she says that. It is very rehearsed! JMO, MOO, IMHO, etc, etc!

 

[notthatsmart]

That statement makes no sense whatsoever because KC is a proven liar. Sounds like what someone would say when backed into a corner with the facts. Makes me more convinced that ever that you have been playing devil's advocate all along. Waiting for the day, when the trial is over and KC has been convicted, that you come out of the closet and admit that you knew all along that KC was responsible for Caylee's death.

I will respect the Juries decision. thanks

 

[Trapshooter]

Maybe you can help me. I am looking a link to these claims of repeatedly telling others. I can only find Charles C that she told it smells like a dead body in the car. Any links would be helpful. thanks

Because Kc said she hadn't seen her in 31 days. IMO

Respectfully NTS, you were not asking for links about KC not seeing Caylee for 31 days. You were asking for links claiming that CA had said "it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car". You were asking for links to substantiate Cindy repeating this phrase, who she told and the person she told.

 

[The World According]

Everyone take a deep breath, call a best friend for a laugh, do not be upset if someone has an idea or agenda that defies logic to you. You wouldn't stand outside of a strip club and try to convince the drunken Sailors that they are heathens if go in, right?
LOL!!!![ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vLhUaYCetk[/ame]


AZ lawyer, your parents must be so proud.

 

[AZlawyer]

I clicked on the thanks button but I know its not enough. The information you provide in these threads is priceless. Another poster put in a post that I was not giving credit where credit was due. They are absolutely right. I should not have waited for that kind of comment to generate a thanks to you. I truly am honored to discuss such a serious subject with you. I find you to be very fair. I realize that getting a thanks from me here in the minority may not always be a good thing, but darn it, you deserve the utmost of thanks from everyone. Even though I am in the minority and prolly disagree with you more than anyone on the forum, I truly respect you and find you to be the most fair of all. I would be honored to have you as a Judge in this great country of ours. If there was a way I could nominate you for Judge in your state in your local, I would. I have that much respect for you.

Thank you, NTS. In exchange I will give you some free help lol. Don't fight so hard the idea that Cindy told people that the car smelled like a dead body BEFORE she made the 911 call. This fact actually supports your argument that the "it smells like a dead body" statement was NOT an excited utterance, because she had been making the same statement for hours.

Now, I still think it was an excited utterance, because I think the "smells like a dead body" suddenly MEANT something much more horrible in her mind as soon as Casey said she hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Also, as I mentioned before, this statement will come in anyway for impeachment, the second that Cindy testifies that it did NOT smell like a dead body.... Still, don't give up your best argument so easily. Embrace the idea that Cindy had been repeating this same thing for hours before she made the call.

An interesting side note: Even after "admitting" that ZFG had disappeared with Caylee 31 days earlier, Casey still maintained that she had spoken with Caylee on the phone earlier that same day and Caylee was fine. In fact, Casey never changed her story about the phone call. Why then was Cindy crying hysterically? Why was she screaming to her supervisor that she didn't know what she would do if the baby was dead? Did she think Casey would lie about something like that??:waitasec:

 

[notthatsmart]

The way Casey says in the 911 call - "my daughter has been missing for 31 days" so nonchalantly like she has repeated that sentence over and over like a broken record - its just chilling in and of itself.

I like your tag line. Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?” Two wrongs do not make a right in my opinion, however I make no effort to stop it simply out of respect for the victims families. I have no sympathy for this man last night that was executed by firing squad last night in Utah. This case is different, the victims family is Kc's family. To put her to death is to punish the victims family. I do not support that in anyway. I find it barbaric in nature and not very becoming of a peaceful nation. I move forward reluctantly knowing that I am part of it.

To keep it on topic, what you said about the broken record is so true. I have heard it over and over again. I wonder how many times the Jury will hear it? once or twice? what do ya think?

 

[AZlawyer]

I like your tag line. Why do people kill people, who kill people, to show people that to kill people is bad?” Two wrongs do not make a right in my opinion, however I make no effort to stop it simply out of respect for the victims families. I have no sympathy for this man last night that was executed by firing squad last night in Utah. This case is different, the victims family is Kc's family. To put her to death is to punish the victims family. I do not support that in anyway. I find it barbaric in nature and not very becoming of a peaceful nation. I move forward reluctantly knowing that I am part of it.

To keep it on topic, what you said about the broken record is so true. I have heard it over and over again. I wonder how many times the Jury will hear it? once or twice? what do ya think?

NTS, if you read the rest of LL's tag line, she is pointing out that this was a graphic uploaded to Casey's Photobucket account. This shows that Casey was pondering the death penalty on July 8, a week before Cindy caught up with her. This was an oddly serious subject for Casey, whose other Photobucket graphics were mostly about music, sex and drinking.

 

[notthatsmart]

Thank you, NTS. In exchange I will give you some free help lol. Don't fight so hard the idea that Cindy told people that the car smelled like a dead body BEFORE she made the 911 call. This fact actually supports your argument that the "it smells like a dead body" statement was NOT an excited utterance, because she had been making the same statement for hours.

Now, I still think it was an excited utterance, because I think the "smells like a dead body" suddenly MEANT something much more horrible in her mind as soon as Casey said she hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days. Also, as I mentioned before, this statement will come in anyway for impeachment, the second that Cindy testifies that it did NOT smell like a dead body.... Still, don't give up your best argument so easily. Embrace the idea that Cindy had been repeating this same thing for hours before she made the call.

An interesting side note: Even after "admitting" that ZFG had disappeared with Caylee 31 days earlier, Casey still maintained that she had spoken with Caylee on the phone earlier that same day[/I] and Caylee was fine. In fact, Casey never changed her story about the phone call. Why then was Cindy crying hysterically? Why was she screaming to her supervisor that she didn't know what she would do if the baby was dead? Did she think Casey would lie about something like that??:waitasec:

Thanks, I understand and I get it. In someways, I am making the states case for them, however, there is no sense in fighting the fact that she said it. I just wanted to point out the truth that there was only one person that says she said it to him ( Charles C). IMO (any other comment about a bad smell is consistent with a kitchen garbage bag being in the trunk for 3 weeks. IMO)

You make a good point about Ca not trusting her daughter. But you also make a good point about Kc mantaining her story. She has maintained the same story all along as far as I know. IMO It is other people that have twisted the story. IMO The whole [unusual] gang of colorful characters to include La, Ga, Ca, Lp, Tm, Dc, Jh and more have thrown in their 2 cents to twist the story, but Kc, now Kc, has maintained all along. IMO Silence is Golden. The state has their work cut out for them. IMO