2010.06.09 Prosecutors File for 911 Calls to Come into Trial

[DaughterAlice]

okay, I'm going to use this opportunity to blow off some steam about Cindy. Between her recent "performance" on GMA and now the defense team's decision to use her story for their own purposes, I feel like she's finally on my very last nerve!!

Here's the deal: CA says that she only used the statement to 911 about the dead body smell as a way to get LE to respond more quickly (yeah . . . . right). The defense is now using her statements as proof that the judge should not allow the 911 calls. There's a tiny rundown of the details here: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...ca-interview-figures-in-defense-argument.html

Sorry, but this is just ANOTHER sad example of Cindy's doublespeak. I'm completely sick of it. She says one thing, then contradicts it, and expects all of us (you, me, LE, and their mamas) to completely accept her contradictions as 100% truth. Anyone read 1984 way back in high school? It's the same thing!! If she says 2 + 2 = 5, then she wants you to BELIEVE that she is right, beyond a doubt, even if only yesterday she told you that 2 + 2 = 4. I think she really believes that the general populace is full of stupid cows who will swallow whatever BS she wants to feed us. ARRRRGHGHH!!

So now we have the defense VALIDATING her!! "Yeah, what SHE said!" I wonder if they think the judge is as dumb as CA thinks WE are.

Sorry, I hope I don't get in trouble for my rant. Sometimes I can't keep it in. I hope the 911 calls stick as evidence, and I really can't see any reason why they shouldn't.

Honestly, there are brief moments, when I'm in a good mood, and the wind is blowing just right, that I actually feel just a sliver of pity for KC, being raised by the parents she had.

 

[spiderlady]

Even IF the defense gets their way and has the calls blocked how is CA and the defense going to explain away GA's testimony and others that smelled decomp in the car. CA's one RECORDED statement of "Dead Body" is really rather paltry to the other testimonials from GA, experts and detectives as well as cadaver dog reports. Take away that ONE call and we STILL have so much pointing to a dead body in the blasted car.

 

[Aedrys]

Even IF the defense gets their way and has the calls blocked how is CA and the defense going to explain away GA's testimony and others that smelled decomp in the car. CA's one RECORDED statement of "Dead Body" is really rather paltry to the other testimonials from GA, experts and detectives as well as cadaver dog reports. Take away that ONE call and we STILL have so much pointing to a dead body in the blasted car.

That's it exactly. It's like I said, they don't think about the whole picture, only about what lie can get past the question at the moment. Whatever someone asks, just lie past it even if it doesn't make sense with everything else. It's easy to see where Casey got this from, and I'm guessing they've done that so long on a personal level that they think it's going to work on a court level.

Well guess what, Cindy and George. It isn't going to work. Lying to neighbors, friends, and family is one thing. They decide to just not bother confronting you on things because it isn't worth it, or they do confront you and you just cut them off. You can't do that the court and LE. They are not going away just because you keep thumbing your nose at them. This is the murder of a child, not Casey stealing or Casey out partying when she shouldn't be. Someone needs to pay for taking a child's life, and that someone is the person who took it - and at this point, everything keeps pointing STRAIGHT at Casey!

You also can't keep attempting to break off pieces of a overall story that still, to this day, has yet to have a good alternative explanation, covering all of the evidence, that would make Casey innocent. The 911 calls, even if they are out, are not get out of jail free card for Casey, and the more you keep indulging in mistruths and outright lies, the more foolish and pathetic you continue to look.

It's ironic. The more Cindy tries to keep up her perfect family facade, the more we see just how dysfunctional and messed up her family really is.

 

[The World According]

Here is pop telling the law enforcement detective about the deep concern he has over the smell in the car. He has already detailed for him his years in LE and he knows what that smell is, it is a smell one never forgets.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Bxn6KzI-IY[/ame]

Eric shares with George that Amy has already let LE know that Cindy told her she was concerned about the smell in the car.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0AQ6syXqcU[/ame] Oh my , here pop is mentioning he knows the folks in the prison are going to take great offense to her, or anyone that has anything to do with a child.
George basically admits they were just tossing around theories, they honestly do not know what is true, imo. (AT THAT POINT)
He tells the variation of story of first Jesse, no...then..maybe Zanny held down Casey on the ground while someone else took off with Caylee. He makes it out to be just ideas they were kicking around , odd possibilities, not a historical event. Lee tells this account, the Blanchard Park account of one person ( Zanny) holding Casey back or down while Zanny's sister drives off with Caylee, et al. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XChDuqhbJeQ[/ame]
Nine minute mark
Federal Agent to George, "If I could give you any advice right now George, if it doesn't make sense, trust your instincts!"

 

[Chiquita71]

Hello WS

ETA: I originally posted this on the "co worker" thread but I think it belongs here. Sorry mods. It will be deleted from the other thread.

Cindy spoke to co workers regarding the "smell of a dead body" in the Pontiac. IIRC, she called a co worker July 15th, and was extremely upset as she described the smell in the car as a "dead body." She was also sent home after describing the same thing to people while she was actually at work.

Cindy has said since then that when she made the 911 call, again describing the smell of a dead body being in the Pontiac, she did so only to get the immediate attention of LE. (Isn't that misuse of the emergency system, my husband asked, and I wonder too.) TIA

IMO, Cindy did smell the smell of a dead body coming from the trunk of the Pontiac(as did George and Lee), and she was worried enough about it to speak to her co workers. But, she did not think it was Caylee. I think she really believed Casey had been involved in something that could have resulted in a dead body being in her trunk but never in her wildest dreams did she think it was Caylee. (Not because she loved Caylee in that wonderful way, but because Cindy is a narcissist) When Casey(on July 15th after being found at Tony's apt)finally said Caylee had been "kidnapped" and that she(Casey) had not seen her daughter for 31 days: that is when Cindy was in fear that the smell of the dead body in the car was Caylee.

I guess while she thought Casey knew where Caylee was, the "dead body in the trunk" was not alarming enough to call LE but alarming enough to speak to co workers about it. After Casey(on July 15th) admitted she did not know where Caylee was, Cindy made two emotional calls regarding the smell in the car being a dead body. One to 911 and one to a co worker.

IMO, the emotion that is in Cindy's voice is very real, she seems scared for Caylee because of the "smell in the car." I have known about the 911 calls for a year now but just found out about her co workers having knowledge of the smell. To me, for Cindy to have been as emotional as she was in the call, it wasn't because of the smell because she had already spoken about that: it was the information that Casey did not know where Caylee was and that is the reason for the emotion in her voice. I think the 911 tape shows that Cindy was afraid the smell in the trunk was Caylee.

But, I don't think she thought it was Casey, as in "on purpose and with malice", but she asked Casey "What did you do!!?"

Question: did Cindy call 911 first, or the co worker? TIA.

...js...

 

[autumnlover]

okay, I'm going to use this opportunity to blow off some steam about Cindy. Between her recent "performance" on GMA and now the defense team's decision to use her story for their own purposes, I feel like she's finally on my very last nerve!!

Here's the deal: CA says that she only used the statement to 911 about the dead body smell as a way to get LE to respond more quickly (yeah . . . . right). The defense is now using her statements as proof that the judge should not allow the 911 calls. There's a tiny rundown of the details here: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...ca-interview-figures-in-defense-argument.html

Sorry, but this is just ANOTHER sad example of Cindy's doublespeak. I'm completely sick of it. She says one thing, then contradicts it, and expects all of us (you, me, LE, and their mamas) to completely accept her contradictions as 100% truth. Anyone read 1984 way back in high school? It's the same thing!! If she says 2 + 2 = 5, then she wants you to BELIEVE that she is right, beyond a doubt, even if only yesterday she told you that 2 + 2 = 4. I think she really believes that the general populace is full of stupid cows who will swallow whatever BS she wants to feed us. ARRRRGHGHH!!

So now we have the defense VALIDATING her!! "Yeah, what SHE said!" I wonder if they think the judge is as dumb as CA thinks WE are.

Sorry, I hope I don't get in trouble for my rant. Sometimes I can't keep it in. I hope the 911 calls stick as evidence, and I really can't see any reason why they shouldn't.

Honestly, there are brief moments, when I'm in a good mood, and the wind is blowing just right, that I actually feel just a sliver of pity for KC, being raised by the parents she had.

What she said! :woohoo: Rant away, friend. I can't take it anymore either. I couldn't bring myself to watch the GMA interview for all the reasons you stated. In any case, the 911 calls will come in, unless JP takes stupid pills the day of the hearing. They are too pivotal to the case. CA can try and backtrack all she wants, she can lighten her hair, grow it and speak softly to gain sympathy from the public and the court. It will never work. She will get hers. I believe charges for the A's are coming.

 

[LindseyLou]

I predicted this in the GMA thread the minute I watched the video and heard Cindy's excuse. My first impression is that she had been coached by an attorney to plant that seed in a desperate attempt to bypass the excited utterance exception. I said then and I'll say it again - it is total BS and it won't fly.

IMO: This is not about the defense filing a motion based on what Cindy said, it was the defense using Cindy (albeit willingly) to tip off the public what their next move would be. They KNEW they were going to file this motion before CA ever said a word, imo. It was pretty clear to me that she had been coached. What I don't understand is why on earth they think using any of the Anthonys to relay anything to the media is a good idea at all. I have never seen it have a good outcome, from a defense perspective.

These motions don't worry me. In fact, I see these motions as positive from an appellate viewpoint. Every desperate motion they file is another reason that KC could never file an appeal based on ineffective counsel. Heh, no matter how silly they may seem to some of us, at least they're giving it their best shot.

eta: When I say, "these motions don't worry me", that is not to say there is no chance in hades...there is always a chance, if someone could make a good, compelling argument that the SA could not refute. I have not seen that yet out of any of the defense attorneys. Let me just say - if JB stands up to argue, I will call "Game Over" instantly. I'll give a listen to CM, although I still don't think it'll fly. lol

True! They pretty much would like the public to forget that Caylee was murdered so why would they go on a public appearance (GMA) and open the topic up for discussion again, unless there was a motive there....i.e., downplaying the 911 calls. I would b willing to guess that any future public appearance made by them are also to taint the public with their fabrications to make Casey look less guilty.

 

[RR0004]

~Just thinking about ABC-----regarding the outrageous and bullying behavior of Cindy........it really stands for Anyone But Casey (did it).

JMO....

ETA: Hey, if I go on national tv and state that my size 12 jeans are NOT size 12s but are actually size 0....does that make it "true"?? LOL! Can I argue that Levi's has targeted ME in this mislabeling snafu? Perhaps it's a rogue group of corrupt Levi's workers OR maybe it's a widespread conspiracy against me (a rush to judgement about my size 12s!!) OR maybe I am just the most intellectually superior person on the planet because I am the only one who just KNOWS the jeans are a size 0!!!! After all, I clearly stated this on TV dontcha know. :crazy:

MOO.......

Oh, I like that...just perfect...Anyone But Casey. You could make a fortune marketing that!! : )

PS: Shameful is all I have to say.

 

[The World According]

O/T for NTS
I put that graphic of Casey's about the killing people in my signature line because I don't know how to attach it , after you see it let me know and I'll take it down. Julia

 

[jon_burrows]

True! They pretty much would like the public to forget that Caylee was murdered so why would they go on a public appearance (GMA) and open the topic up for discussion again, unless there was a motive there....i.e., downplaying the 911 calls. I would b willing to guess that any future public appearance made by them are also to taint the public with their fabrications to make Casey look less guilty.

BBM...possible reasons:

1) Money
2) Taint the jury pool
3) They like the VIP treatment and spotlight that comes along with these 'cameos'

They can't do anything legally to keep the tapes from the juror's ears if the judge rules they can be heard but they can try and taint the jury pool. They can also make some money along the way. The 911 calls are very incriminating. If a jury listens to all three tapes, they can arrive at the following conclusion:

-Caylee was missing for 31 days and Casey never reported that fact.
-The car smelled like a dead body.
-Casey told the ZFG gem of a lie.
-Casey's lack of caring or emotion. When Cindy asks Casey to talk to the 911 operator, Casey says something like 'I have nothing to say to them'...I'm paraphrasing but I'm sure LE has the capability of telling exactly what she said.
-Casey is a thief and CA wanted her arrested.
-Cindy had to FIND Casey in order to get the info above (Casey didn't give it up willingly).
-Cindy threatened to take custody of Caylee (not something that simply comes out of the blue). So much for the 'Mother of they Year Award'.
-Cindy was beyond panic mode when she found out for sure she wasn't going to see Caylee that night---or ever.

IMO

 

[RR0004]

AZ Lawyer is psychic!!! OR JB is reading here and ran right over to the courthouse with AZ's logical thinking!! BBM and I agree with the underlined.

Thanks. I was thinking the same thing myself. We got a lot of folks who are clairvoyant. Simply amazing.

 

[RR0004]

What a timely coincidence. :waitasec: CA said it therefore it must be true. Not!

Nice try. Like everything once placed in true context with the facts recorded at that time it all becomes clear .... rather than this distorted history revision.

I truly can't believe they took the occasion of Caylee's death anniversary to spout this cr*p. Caylee deserves so much better. They must be feeling the reality, though. To push aside the emotion of the day to propagate the defense's agenda tells me they are really scared Casey will end up getting the death penalty.

 

[RR0004]

Yes I want to see it too. It is not the first time the press puts out statements before adding the link to the docs. I think we are lucky that they do it in the first place. It should have new stuff in it according to OS. IMO Someone has deposed Cindy's coworkers recently and they cite things that were said. IMO That can be very new and powerful stuff, especially if Charles C is now saying Cindy told him that Ga told her it smelled like a dead body. That is clearly hearsay. IMO I think it is possible that Os just added that on their own. IMO

Respectfully, NTS...maybe I'm remembering this wrong...but I thought you weren't particularly fond of msm...and Florida's Sunshine Law.

 

[CentralFLMama]

I believe the 3rd 911 call (frantic, emotional, upset Cindy) clearly contains "NEW TO CINDY" information. That is---Cindy just found out that Caylee has indeed been "taken/kidnapped" by the "Nanny". Her obvious upset tone of voice at reporting this NEW detail is then followed by the (EXCITED UTTERANCE) of "It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car". Cindy was EMOTIONAL and the dead body smell comment came from a place of unchecked emotion. Just trying to clarify here! You are correct that the horrible smell in the car was not new info for Cindy, HOWEVER the fact she reported it as a "dead body smell" right after her NEW admission of Caylee's "kidnapping" makes it a classic, blurt-it-out-without-your-filter-in-place excited utterance. In fact, the "I just found out...." statement also qualifies as another excited utterance!!! Both statements (the entire call really) will be admitted into trial evidence. There is NO WAY that Cindy "knew" that Caylee was indeed "kidnapped" before the 3rd call. She says as much in her own words! The whole "my daughter JUST told me...." gives it away. Done deal. The jury will hear this, and the defense is very, very worried (as they should be). JMO....

:thumb: Great post. right before she says she found her daughters car today and it smells - in that moment you can hear it in her- it all just fell into place.

 

[RR0004]

I can't begin to know how CA felt throughout that fateful day. When she found out that Casey wasn't where she was supposed to be, that the car had many of Caylee's belongings, that Casey never mentioned the car wasn't in her possession, that she hadn't spoken to her own granddaughter for more than a month, AND the car smelled like a dead body, she must have been reeling. Her emotions were probably all over the place. She probably couldn't wrap her brain around it all. IMO, she was going through the motions...not knowing what to believe, not knowing what to do...or where to go. For someone who's used to being very much in control, finding the car and knowing she had been duped must have sent her into a tailspin. Nothing was as it was supposed to be. She knew that Casey was ok, but refused to let herself think that anything could possibly be wrong with Caylee. Casey would have told her, wouldn't she? How does one begin to imagine that their own child could have killed their precious daughter? IMO, Cindy was numb. She did what she could do...clean the car, wash the clothes, go to work. She called Casey. IIRC, it wasn't until she was sent home that she began to start searching for Casey. I think that if she hadn't found Amy's phone number that she would have gone to the police herself to report Caylee missing. But she did find Casey. And when Casey wouldn't fess up, she started to lose it. She was probably unraveling prior to the 911 call. Let's face it...she had a month of trying to keep it together. But, when she heard Casey confirm that Caylee was in fact missing (how cruel Casey was to her family), she fell apart. There is no doubt in my mind that what we hear on that 911 call is a grandmother who fears for the life of her grandchild. She was petrified. She didn't have time to think about anything. She was desperate to find her granddaughter and blurted out what she knew...the car smelled like a dead body.

 

[shotgun09]

RROOO4, Hitting the thanks button just wasn't enough here. You nailed what I felt Cindy must have been feeling, laying it all down, ALL those raw emotions! Thanks again!

 

[Just Jayla]

What makes you think he will say that? He didn't say it in the bond hearing. IMO Why would he say it now?

The FBI did not say that the DNA they have for Caylee (from her own toothbursh) is an exact match, either, they can only tell with a certain amount of confidence. Never 100%.
Detective Melich can never testify, 100% assuredly, that he smelled decomposition, just as the officer in the case I referenced may not have known exactly what the trucker saw and felt. YM would have to have seen a body decomposing to say that he was 100% certain that is what he smelled.
He will simply describe his belief and let the jury determine the rest. It's the nature of circumstantial evidence.

 

[Sparky]

I haven't seen this posted anywhere. Sorry if it has been.

Fight continues over Casey Anthony 911 calls
June 18, 2010|By Anthony Colarossi, Orlando Sentinel
The battle over critical 911 calls continues in the Casey Anthony criminal case.

Anthony's legal team submitted its latest arguments today, asking to exclude 911 calls made by her mother in July 2008. The third in the series of calls is the one in which Cindy Anthony reports that her granddaughter, Caylee Marie Anthony, has been missing for a month.

"There's something wrong," Cindy Anthony says during the call. "I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car."

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com...y-anthony-george-anthony-caylee-marie-anthony

 

[Just Jayla]

Yeah, I remember the accusation, but I also remember the defenses response. I am not sure what the point is unless they never file it. Its late Friday, I wonder if the Clerk updated the website. The defense would be pushin their luck to do such a thing. Can't see it. sorry I hope they have it updated and time stamped by morning.

:rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling::rolling:

 

[Just Jayla]

Both.

prior to,[/B] Cindy's phone call.

He also admitted it to the FBI. Cindy also told George, "We lost her. We lost Caylee."

This line is much worse than the comment about the dead body in the trunk.

'Lost' her? What an odd phrase, it's not sitting right with me, I can't quite figure out how to put it into context. Anyone care to share their thoughts?

I think CA was telling GA that Caylee was dead.

During a LE interview, CA also (when she decided drama would get her out of the line of questioning) said she was a "grieving" grandmother.
Grieving is an odd word to use when speaking of kidnapping. Not completely impossible for someone to use, but there are other words that would have been much more in context, like worried, or scared.