2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[BetteDavisEyes]

Teachers (public school) are in unions. There has to be a successful criminal or civil action brought to remove a teacher with seniority in a union. Hands are tied there. School Board can put them on paid admin leave while case is pending... That's about it.

Terri is not a teacher yet. Some sort of charges will be brought against her. She may not be convicted. But ... with all the publicity - and the photo-sexting history alone - why on earth would any school district hire her?

IMO, They would not.

My DH served two four-year terms on our local Board of Education. Recommendations for hiring/firing brought before the Board are basically a formality because the Superintendent makes these decisions and presents them to the school board for approval.

 

[Jaxson]

BBM.

Normally, I'd 10,000% agree with you that a DNA test should be done whenever cheating is even a remote possibility. However, in this case, I'd hold off on that for now. What if KH isn't baby K's biological father? Then Terri would get full custody. And that would clearly not be a good/safe thing for baby K. She's better of *right now* with KH, even if he's not her biological father. As far as she's concerned, he's her daddy. And since her mommy is [insert things that would get me a TO here], she's better off to just hang with KH until Kyron is found and/or any charges that may/may not be made against TH are figured out.

DNA wouldn't change anything. If Kaine is on the birth cert and he is the only father she has ever known as far as the court is concerned he has rights. Equally if he tried to say she' isn't mine and I don't want to pay child support he would be SOL. He is the only father she has known. It's all about the kid now a days. My husband was going to be made to pay support for his stepdaughter until his ex found out she would have to give up the SS paid to her because the father was deceased. My husband was the only father that child knew and we wouldn't have blinked an eye if he had been ordered to pay and she is still insured by us for medical and dental because we wanted to provide it not because we have to.

 

[debs]

If nothing else, this should demonstrate that women should never become so completely dependent upon a man that in the event of the breakup of the relationship, she has nothing to her name.

 

[TxLady2]

BBM. Agreed! She has not been convicted of anything yet - so she should be entitled to their monies, I would think. She doesn't deserve it, but I don't see how he could keep her from it. I didn't know when you are married, one partner can have their OWN money. I was always under the impression it is both of theirs, regardless if one does not work outside the home.

If it is child support from her son's father, or an inheritance, that would be hers. And if she deposited that in the joint account, then legally, she should get it back, I would think. For all we know, she might have brought money of her own into the marriage, and he spent it all. Who knows?

 

[coopzoo]

Considering there are no concrete facts, no evidence, and only allegations based on innuendo and speculation, I highly doubt any judge would take the chance of booting Terri out to the streets to test her self-survival skills.

Maybe a financier will sit down and figure out how much it would have cost Kaine to hire a CEO/project manager/department head to watch his children, take care of his home, and make things run efficiently 24/7. a stay at home mom is worth a lot, she puts baby care in front of self care. Until there is something in this case more concrete than gossip, that's where I stand. :run:

BBM. Respectfully, we don't have any evidence that TH sacrificed anything for the kids or that she put their care ahead of her own. Especially considering the many hours it takes to achieve the physique of a bodybuilder. We can generalize and say that "most" stay-at-home moms are worth a LOT... but maybe (just maybe) this one is different. MOO

 

[coopzoo]

If nothing else, this should demonstrate that women should never become so completely dependent upon a man that in the event of the breakup of the relationship, she has nothing to her name.

Sad but very true. :twocents:

 

[Annazed]

I think it would make a difference if we knew how much she is wanting. Setting up housekeeping isn't cheap.
I think KH should have a dna test done on the baby. Ouch, I didn't want to say that but I have been thinking it.

It certainly does seem that Kaine had no idea what he was tangling with and not outside the realm of possibility that the little girl is maybe not his child. If I were him I would do that, then sort out how I feel about it all when I knew the facts.

 

[Marple]

The only time I have seen men willing to be generous is when they really want to be rid of her.

True! Or if they know that being generous now may cost them a lot less in the long run.

My real point is that in cases where the husband is the bread winner, they (general they) will often bring the argument that SAHM never contributed and therefore isn't entitled to any money or property. I'm just surprised that in this day and age many people still seem to think that SAHM's have no value or investment in the family finances. Even if the couple have agreed the Mom will stay home to raise the children, she's suddenly perceived as a lazy slug when they split up because she didn't pay the mortgage.

Not saying this is the case with Kaine because this case has special circumstances. It's just a general observation.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

I've wondered how much money, if any, Terri might have earned when she was a competitive body builder. Anyone have knowledge of this?

 

[sorrell skye]

This is actually really hard to guess on. It's been 5 years since the DUI/CE charges, but that might stop her )I don't know if those things ever expire in terms of teaching credentials). But in regards to Kyron's case, she might be safe - some school boards have to follow the laws about holding suspicion against a person without charges/convictions.

I remember a case a while back about a woman whose child died (I won't say how, as that would lead to a debate about how TH was worse, and about the pros and cons of this example's offenses - suffice it to say, it could have brought significant charges). She worked as an educator in a high school, and there was substantial resistance from the parents for having her retain her job working with their kids. The school board decided their hands were tied, since charges were dropped and she was not convicted.

Not saying this was right or wrong, but just that it is not certain TH will never teach again without charges/conviction - she just has to find the right board and district.

A bit scary, though. The fact is, you can't hold suspicion alone against a person. MOO.

I think the difference in that case you cited, Duck, is that the teacher was currently working for the school district, if I understand your post, so she fought to keep a job she already held.

Since TH isn't currently employed as a teacher, IMO, she has an uphill battle regarding gaining a teaching position anytime in the very near future. I think it might be a little different if she already held a teaching job & was trying to keep that job. KWIM?

 

[Marple]

If nothing else, this should demonstrate that women should never become so completely dependent upon a man that in the event of the breakup of the relationship, she has nothing to her name.

Yes, so true. But many women don't see this until the breakup they never expected would happen to them! Thank goodness there are property laws that do offer some protection.

 

[pinkpuddytat]

wonder if she knows she'll be staying a the grey bar hotel pretty soon anyways

Either that, or the "men in white coats" hotel. I expect her attorney has spelled out her hotel options for her.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I agree with you raising three kids was a f/t job.
Unless she is convicted of a crime she is still treated as innocent and therefore there's laws to protect her, otherwise she is being tried in the media.

Yes, it is as if some have already found her guilty and she hasn't even been arrested for anything yet much less afforded a trial.

I think we should all want to have rights and protections in place.

Being a stay at home mom is quite valuable and up until her oldest son moved out a few months ago she was raising three children.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354638,00.html

Study: Stay-at-Home Mom Worth Nearly $117,000 a Year

 

[pinkpuddytat]

I for one will feel a whole lot better if there are LOTS of media there when KH goes home....the more protection around him the better....he and that baby need to feel safe and I don't know that I could lay my head down in that home for awhile but I understand he wants to give the baby her home back.IMO

Not necessarily. Maybe he just wants to get the house on the market. It's not like it could be shown with Terri still living there. It looks like a nice little house for a family with a working dad, stay-at-home mom, a school-aged little boy, and a baby girl. But it's not terribly practical for a single working father of one baby girl, not to mention the haunting memories.

 

[pinkpuddytat]

Well maybe Kaine, since he's gotten to know the reporters, could ask them to leave after Terri leaves, so the baby doesn't come home to a circus, and he can get her settled back in calmly and quietly. I think the reporters would understand and comply with that for the baby's sake.

The house is set way back from the road. Reporters can't get anywhere near the house without getting arrested, unless they have permission from the property owner. Kaine and Baby K would probably have to drive past a gaggle of reporters and photographers on the public road, next to the driveway entrance, but that would be over in a few seconds.

 

[rosiebean]

A few thoughts:

1) If TH can pay her lawyer, she can rent a uhaul to move her stuff to her new boyfriend's house, or to her parent's house, etc. From what I've read about the man, Houze (sp?) isn't the kind to represent TH pro bono. If she's got funds to pay him (through inheritance or whatever), then she's got a lot of nerve asking for money from Kaine. That said, her parents could very well be the ones putting up the money for the lawyer.

2) If TH has no access to funds of her own and has been a SAHM with KH's full agreement, etc., for these past however many years, then given that there are criminal charges (yet), it's not unreasonable for her to ask for support in moving when he's the one who started the divorce proceedings. This is a little gray in my mind, however, because she's being asked to move because of the RO, not just because of the divorce. Somehow, I have a hard time believing that if a female discovered that her husband was trying to have her killed, and if after she put out a RO against him,took their daughter, and started divorce proceedings...I have a hard time believing that if it were a male who in TH's position, someone who had acted violently, that there would not be public outcry if said violent male asked for money to move out, when in fact he was being asked to move because of an RO due to his violence.

3) Despite the fact that she might have a legal claim to financial assistance in moving from the house, the fact that her lawyer released letter saying that they would move and comply with the RO...and then turn around and add "oh, we'll move if we get paid" is, IMO, bad PR, especially given TH's reported behavior (lying about her whereabouts on June 4, the MFH plot, the sextiing, etc.). I thought Houze was supposed to be a PR type of guy? IMO, this isn't a good PR move.

 

[wondering1]

wondering or anyone that knows a question?

In the letter her attn wrote it says she's not contesting anything.

That she is going to get a seperate lawyer for the divorce.

Would that attn be the one that addresses her rights to have visitation with her child?

Thank you in advance for insight and info!

sorry, I just saw this now. I think Houze has now said he will defend the family law case, as well. The visitation and custody, however, can't be addressed apart from the RO. She needs to get that out of the way before she can get into the regular family court aspects of custody. In other words, custody in the context of a typical family court proceeding can't go forward if there's a separate RO in place precluding any contact. The RO must be modified to allow some contact first. It looks to me like they intend to do this all at once on July 22nd, which is unusual ime. Typically, the RO court and the family court are completely separate.

 

[x_files]

TH better watch that asking for money stuff. KH has the baby and any judge would order child support by the non-custodial parent quicker than you can bat an eye.

Seems to me that TH should be out "job hunting". Who is paying for this lawyer anyway? Has he said?

I agree but who would hire her with all this media attention? She'd have to leave Oregon.
I can't image a school district hiring her or anywhere for that matter.

 

[wondering1]

A few thoughts:

3) Despite the fact that she might have a legal claim to financial assistance in moving from the house, the fact that her lawyer released letter saying that they would move and comply with the RO...and then turn around and add "oh, we'll move if we get paid" is, IMO, bad PR, especially given TH's reported behavior (lying about her whereabouts on June 4, the MFH plot, the sextiing, etc.). I thought Houze was supposed to be a PR type of guy? IMO, this isn't a good PR move.

imo, this was an attempt to significantly restrict the issues that TH might need to testify to at the hearing. Afaikt, the only issue on the table at that hearing is whether KH should pay moving expenses.

 

[christee]

Has anyone read that TH is accused of trying to abduct the baby? Foxnews article says that the attempt was made a few hours before the RO was to take effect.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/13/kyron-hormans-stepmom-accused-abduction-attempt-sexting-friend/

If this is old news, please forgive!