2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[evelyn24]

If nothing else, this should demonstrate that women should never become so completely dependent upon a man that in the event of the breakup of the relationship, she has nothing to her name.

Yes, if one plans to do things like try and hire a hitman to kill their hubby, have an affair, violate restraining orders, then having backup means to support yourself would help.
I mean, after all, most spouses frown on that type of behavior and are going to file for divorce.
Better have your ducks in a row.
:crazy:

 

[evelyn24]

I'm a bit put off that his has turned into mudslinging, We do not know TH or KH personally and have no real knowledge of what went on in their marriage. Nor do i care .FWIW i have heard the same things said about KH (affairs,control etc) it just not printed in the media.

TH has not spoken about these issues all of the speculation has come from things KH has said directly or indirectly by putting it in official documents.

KH moved out, he married TH they raised a family together, she is ENTITLED to support whether people like her or not.( Until she is proven to be the cause of kyrons disappearance and/or the MFH plot).

Now back to the regularly scheduled programming

This was not intended as a reply to your post specifically it just happened to be the last one entered. It was more of general observation on my part.

SOLELY MOO!!!!

Until she gets her into the police station and finishes cooperating and talking TRUTHFULLY about her day when Kyron went missing, then to me she is disgusting. And her sexting and causing all kind of drama with Kaine's friend and violating the RO, does make her a self absorbed drama queen imo. Others are crying over the disappearance of Kyron, worried sick, trying to find means to keep paying searchers etc. And this is what she's doing? I never said she was a murderer, but I definitely would keep a 100 yards away from her if I knew her in real life, because she seems toxic.

Sorry it's a strong word, but she IS the focus of the investigation, and has the answers according to Kaine and Desiree, and they are given information by LE.

 

[ClueMeIn]

I think Oregon is a community property State.
Kaine was married to Terri when the babe was born. He likely is the father on the birth certificate. That makes him her father.
He would have to prove that he isn't.
Why would he want to do that? Why would he even think of going there?

Again, Oregon is NOT a community property state. I think there are only 9 community property states. For some reason even LE gets confused as to whether or not we are a community property state.

In the United States there are ten community property states: Alaska, Arizona, California, Idaho, Louisiana, Nevada, New Mexico, Texas, Washington and Wisconsin. Puerto Rico

OK, 11 if you count Puerto Rico.

 

[evelyn24]

She doesn't have custody, therefore she is not entitled to support.

So what? Kaine pays alimoney, while Terri pays child support? That would make no sense.

Also many many things come into play, when deciding who is "entitled" to what.

Thank you. It's not all cut and dry as "well she was a stay at home mom, and has no income and hasn't been convicted" therefore she deserves spousal support. The basis for the restraining order is directly related to why he's asking her for a divorce and to leave the house. She's going to have to face the accusations of the MFH in order to get that spousal support IMO.

 

[captivagrl]

This is Kaine's home. He bought it before the marriage, and it has remained in his name only. Most "marital homes" were bought jointly by the already or about-to-be married couple. In some cases, the home was already owned by one of the parties prior to the marriage, and the other party is added to the deed at the time of the marriage. Otherwise, it's not joint property. We can only wonder why Kaine chose not to add her to the deed, but he didn't, and so it's his home and his only.

With respect, it is also her home. She has lived with him longer than 3 years. Without her caring for that house, him, and the children he would not be able to earn a living unless he paid a housekeeper/nanny/cook etc. I wasn't speaking about who's name is on the deed or exactly how much equity she is due.
Also, I may have missed it, she seams bright enough to have covered her interest with an agreement(pre-nup) in the event that they break-up.

 

[ClueMeIn]

Wonder how long she actually lived there.

Why would she get alimony, when Kaine will most likely be getting child support?

 

[SacreBleu]

Well, I'm sure she will never have to work another day in her life. Don't you know there will be book and movie deals. Perhaps that is how Mr. Houze plans to be paid?

 

[Calliope]

Yes twelve weeks of UNPAID leave.
So his position will be held but under FMLA he's not getting a dime.

In one of his interviews with Desiree he says something to the effect of working, then being called by LE and going to help them; when questioned about working from home that day, he says he has the ability in his job to work from home if he chooses (I think that was the interview with the Oregonian, may have been in the same video). So it's possible he's working here and there sporadically. Even if he's not, he can still collect pay even if somehow he's covered and using FMLA. However I strongly suspect that Intel is fully supporting him, that he doesn't have to use FMLA to protect his position, and he is receiving his salary. JMO

 

[Calliope]

Thank you. It's not all cut and dry as "well she was a stay at home mom, and has no income and hasn't been convicted" therefore she deserves spousal support. The basis for the restraining order is directly related to why he's asking her for a divorce and to leave the house. She's going to have to face the accusations of the MFH in order to get that spousal support IMO.

IIRC, his attorney said she wanted funds to help with her moving out. I didn't hear that she was looking for spousal support.

Depending on what she's allowed to take with her, I'm sure she has enough friends to help with the move. She doesn't need to rent a UHaul or anything like that...

 

[SoCalSleuth]

Why are so many people assuming TH is entitled to support? In California, a 3 year marriage, house in his name, no custody of K, she would be entitled to zip and forced to move out and pay for it herself. Plus, we have no idea what their financial arrangement was prior to this. Don't you wonder why the judge didn't grant her emergency temporary support at the hearing yesterday? My guess is that if there were any legal basis for getting it for her, her attorney would have gotten it for her.

 

[Calliope]

Well, I'm sure she will never have to work another day in her life. Don't you know there will be book and movie deals. Perhaps that is how Mr. Houze plans to be paid?

If she's convicted, does Oregon allow convicted criminals to profit from their crimes?

 

[Calliope]

Why are so many people assuming TH is entitled to support? In California, a 3 year marriage, house in his name, no custody of K, she would be entitled to zip and forced to move out and pay for it herself. Plus, we have no idea what their financial arrangement was prior to this. Don't you wonder why the judge didn't grant her emergency temporary support at the hearing yesterday? My guesd is that if there were any legal basis for getting it for her, her attorney would have gotten it for her.

IMO, the request for funds to move is probably just a routine thing and something they really didn't expect to be granted. I don't think she would have been asking for support during this hearing in any case.

 

[x_files]

Well, I'm sure she will never have to work another day in her life. Don't you know there will be book and movie deals. Perhaps that is how Mr. Houze plans to be paid?

Crime pays. I believe this is what Casey Anthony has learned and so has any others potential criminals that watche the media. We turn them into reality tv stars. very disturbing.

 

[SacreBleu]

If she's convicted, does Oregon allow convicted criminals to profit from their crimes?

She's not in jail yet. She is free to cut a deal and get an advance. I am not familiar with Oregon law, so cannot answer your question.

With respect to not working another day: I did not enter her being incarcerated and having a "prison job" into the equation as that would, of course, only be conjecture since she has not yet been convicted of any crime.

Disclaimer: The above statement has absolutely nothing to do with whether I feel TH should or should not be incarcerated.

 

[SoCalSleuth]

IMO, the request for funds to move is probably just a routine thing and something they really didn't expect to be granted. I don't think she would have been asking for support during this hearing in any case.

She can ask for temporary support at any time on an ex parte basis. It appears this was an ex parte hearing. He could have asked for it.

 

[wondering1]

KH moved out, he married TH they raised a family together, she is ENTITLED to support whether people like her or not.

I disagree. They were married for three years, if that. Even here, in a community property state, she would likely not be entitled to support, or it would be a very small amount for a very short period of time. She's relatively young and has a degree (supposedly) and is totally capable of supporting herself. If KH gets fully custody of baby, on the other hand, he is entitled to child support. And with 100% custody it would likely be fairly substantial depending on TH's projected earning capacity. Plus, it's probably determined by a straight calculation that doesn't take any other factors into consideration. Best case scenario for TH is she gets a tiny bit of support and pays no child support for now b/c she is currently and historically unemployed.

And OT -- I totally can't stand the entitlement mentality that a woman can continue to leach off her ex indefinitely, regardless of the circumstances. It's one thing to have been in a long-term marriage, raised the children as a sahm by mutual agreement and supported your husband's career (in any number of ways) and after many years he trades you in for a younger model or just decides he doesn't want to be married anymore, leaving you essentially unemployable and incapable of supporting yourself and/or the children. That situation is what alimony and child support were intended to address. (And in case your wondering, that didn't happen to me so I'm not speaking from bitterness lol) This situation is quite another -- regardless of whether you think TH is guilty or not. Imo, no-fault divorce is the worst concept ever. jmho

 

[debs]

Until the courts decide she is guilty of anything regarding the disappearance of Kyron, and regardless of LE's suspicion or Kaine's suspicions, he is essentially kicking her out on her a$$ with nothing more than the clothes she owns, and she has every right to ask for support getting herself on her feet. Until there is a charge made, isn't she presumed innocent until proven guilty? Therefore, regardless of how much hate she inspires for her callous behavior with MC and all the sexting, it is not a prosecutable offense, and bears no weight in the courts regarding spousal support in the event of a divorce.

 

[wondering1]

Until the courts decide she is guilty of anything regarding the disappearance of Kyron, and regardless of LE's suspicion or Kaine's suspicions, he is essentially kicking her out on her a$$ with nothing more than the clothes she owns, and she has every right to ask for support getting herself on her feet. Until there is a charge made, isn't she presumed innocent until proven guilty? Therefore, regardless of how much hate she inspires for her callous behavior with MC and all the sexting, it is not a prosecutable offense, and bears no weight in the courts regarding spousal support in the event of a divorce.

The court "kicked her out on her *," not KH. If the court rejected his allegations, she'd not have to leave. And the court is likely to be inclined to consider its own decision, and the basis for it, in determining how to handle future issues. She doesn't have to be guilty, or even charged, with Kyron's disappearance, or any other crime for that matter, to be removed from the home under the Family Abuse law -- and she will be removed under THAT law.

 

[Calliope]

She can ask for temporary support at any time on an ex parte basis. It appears this was an ex parte hearing. He could have asked for it.

I thought ex parte means only one party to a case appears before the judge? In the video I saw, both attorneys were present.

 

[wondering1]

I thought ex parte means only one party to a case appears before the judge? In the video I saw, both attorneys were present.

You're correct. The initial RO hearing was ex parte. Yesterday's hearing was not.