2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[JBean]

Not unreasonable to ask for links people.

I did a search and here is some infomration:

[ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5613114&postcount=827"]Priors[/ame]

will see what else i can find.

ETA: Please read the records critically. Note the heading;these are not all necessarily alcohol related. Note the.offense level and date of charges.
Some are infractions, some on the same date, etc.

 

[Aedrys]

I don't know that Terri has had other alcohol offenses other than that one. I've never seen that reported.

Could we have a link for that info please?

TIA

This is like saying because Casey Anthony was never caught before one friend finally had the guts to take her court and get her convicted, she wasn't stealing money from everyone she knew. Her mom's bank account was just released, along with checks Casey forged, and she was living off of her mother to the tune of almost 2,000 a month. But forget about it if she wasn't arrested and convicted for it? She wasn't a career thief because she was only caught once?

The point is that Terri could have been drinking as much Kaine said she was, but her record of only one offense does not clear her. You can't even be arrested for drinking. Geez, if that were true, liquor stores would be out of business. Just because her record is mostly clear in regards to alcohol doesn't mean she wasn't an alcoholic. Even if there isn't a link to more offenses, that doesn't clear her from being an alcoholic. She won't deny anything, so how are we supposed to know what the truth is? We don't.

Alcoholism runs in my family, but no one has been arrested for any alcohol related offenses. That doesn't mean I'm not going to watch out for myself and not become another alcoholic. I'm not ignoring family history and what I've seen. Apparently, Kaine is not ignoring what he saw either now. Too bad it took hindsight for him to realize it, but at least he's not just forgiving that and letting her have contact with baby K. Drinking is dangerous. She shouldn't get a pass because there's only one alcohol related item on her record. Like Casey, she's just been dang lucky that no one has gotten hurt or had her charged with anything except for the time she was caught with J in the car.

Terri continuing to be silent just reinforces that what Kaine is saying is true. No one else is saying otherwise either. No one is coming to her defense except a guy she can easily manipulate now. I find it hard to not believe Kaine when Terri refuses to step up and defend herself. Her silence says she is willing to stay quiet forever to keep herself safe and out of jail, and that that means more than anything to her, even relationships with her children.

 

[grandmaj]

LE doesn't have enough proof that she did this to even charge her. They attempted to have her incriminate herself by sending a man wearing a wire and she called 911. From what we are privy to, the murder for hire is all speculation from a witness who can no longer be located and was going by an alias. Child custody decisions should not be based on speculation and opinion.

We don't know that that there isn't enough proof. We don't know why she hasn't been charged. This may be part of the bigger picture and thus will be part of any charges they come down in the future. It could be the strategy they are using in their case. i.e. she couldn't kill her husband so she did the next best thing and abducted his son?

The fact is we don't know what evidence or lack there of is held by LE. We only know at this point they haven't moved forward with a case.

 

[JBean]

snipped for emphasis

Have you ever faced legal ramifications for your drinking? (we know Terri has had other alcohol offenses other than her DUI with a minor child, J, in the car with her).
Have you refused invitations because you'd rather spend that time drinking?

I don't know that Terri has had other alcohol offenses other than that one. I've never seen that reported.

Could we have a link for that info please?

TIA

Honestly, I don't remember where it was that I read that, just that someone who had access to a criminal data base ran her name and found some stuff. One of those databases you have to pay to use. They link into WhitePages.

This is like saying because Casey Anthony was never caught before one friend finally had the guts to take her court and get her convicted, she wasn't stealing money from everyone she knew. Her mom's bank account was just released, along with checks Casey forged, and she was living off of her mother to the tune of almost 2,000 a month. But forget about it if she wasn't arrested and convicted for it? She wasn't a career thief because she was only caught once?

The point is that Terri could have been drinking as much Kaine said she was, but her record of only one offense does not clear her. You can't even be arrested for drinking. Geez, if that were true, liquor stores would be out of business. Just because her record is mostly clear in regards to alcohol doesn't mean she wasn't an alcoholic. Even if there isn't a link to more offenses, that doesn't clear her from being an alcoholic. She won't deny anything, so how are we supposed to know what the truth is? We don't.

Alcoholism runs in my family, but no one has been arrested for any alcohol related offenses. That doesn't mean I'm not going to watch out for myself and not become another alcoholic. I'm not ignoring family history and what I've seen. Apparently, Kaine is not ignoring what he saw either now. Too bad it took hindsight for him to realize it, but at least he's not just forgiving that and letting her have contact with baby K. Drinking is dangerous. She shouldn't get a pass because there's only one alcohol related item on her record. Like Casey, she's just been dang lucky that no one has gotten hurt or had her charged with anything except for the time she was caught with J in the car.

Terri continuing to be silent just reinforces that what Kaine is saying is true. No one else is saying otherwise either. No one is coming to her defense except a guy she can easily manipulate now. I find it hard to not believe Kaine when Terri refuses to step up and defend herself. Her silence says she is willing to stay quiet forever to keep herself safe and out of jail, and that that means more than anything to her, even relationships with her children.

HI aedrys :hug: It is not like saying that because that is not remotely close to what beane said or what she asked about. What beane was responding to was a statement that there were prior alcohol offenses;criminal offenses to be exact. There were no conclusions drawn, such as you have, just a question.
That aside, your post as a standalone was really well said. thanks.

 

[AlexisFresca]

This is like saying because Casey Anthony was never caught before one friend finally had the guts to take her court and get her convicted, she wasn't stealing money from everyone she knew. Her mom's bank account was just released, along with checks Casey forged, and she was living off of her mother to the tune of almost 2,000 a month. But forget about it if she wasn't arrested and convicted for it? She wasn't a career thief because she was only caught once?

The point is that Terri could have been drinking as much Kaine said she was, but her record of only one offense does not clear her. You can't even be arrested for drinking. Geez, if that were true, liquor stores would be out of business. Just because her record is mostly clear in regards to alcohol doesn't mean she wasn't an alcoholic. Even if there isn't a link to more offenses, that doesn't clear her from being an alcoholic. She won't deny anything, so how are we supposed to know what the truth is? We don't.

Alcoholism runs in my family, but no one has been arrested for any alcohol related offenses. That doesn't mean I'm not going to watch out for myself and not become another alcoholic. I'm not ignoring family history and what I've seen. Apparently, Kaine is not ignoring what he saw either now. Too bad it took hindsight for him to realize it, but at least he's not just forgiving that and letting her have contact with baby K. Drinking is dangerous. She shouldn't get a pass because there's only one alcohol related item on her record. Like Casey, she's just been dang lucky that no one has gotten hurt or had her charged with anything except for the time she was caught with J in the car.

Terri continuing to be silent just reinforces that what Kaine is saying is true. No one else is saying otherwise either. No one is coming to her defense except a guy she can easily manipulate now. I find it hard to not believe Kaine when Terri refuses to step up and defend herself. Her silence says she is willing to stay quiet forever to keep herself safe and out of jail, and that that means more than anything to her, even relationships with her children.

Exactly! A previous neighbor from years ago chuckled when he told me about one incident where he had been out drinking and on his way home ran into a guardrail or something like that along the highway. He was proud having gotten away with not getting a DUI, citing he kept mints or something else in his car to disguise the smell of alcohol on his breath. He blamed his accident on the road conditions at the time to the officer who pulled up behind him. Then he turned around and had the audacity to complain that the cop wrote him out a ticket for loss of control of vehicle or something like that. I just wanted to smack him upside the head for his irresponsibility. He also told me at other times that he drives better under the influence than he does sober.
On the flip side, how many stories do we see on the news about people who have repeated DUI offenses, for years, without ever having spent a single minute inside a jail cell for those repeated offenses? There was a big case in Ohio about this, the man had like 9 or 11 previous offenses yet managed to somehow stay out of jail.

They don't care. They will drive even when their licenses are revoked, suspended, without insurance, proper registration - whatever it takes, they will not stop drinking and driving.


And for reasons unknown, Terri is the same way. She is doing whatever it takes to NOT land in jail and face the consequences for harming Kyron.

 

[mmmagique]

It's illustrating the legal presumption of a child's right to visitation with their parent, which is what I said in my post. While some of the specifics may be different, most state laws follows the same legal presumptions. A battery is a battery in all states but Louisiana (which historically follows French civil code). The same applies to other civil cases. While the little details may vary from state to state, there is almost always an over-arching history, nationwide, how a legal subject is treated, from battery to abortion to parental rights.

"The fact that the parent of a child has committed a crime and has served a sentence in prison for the offense does not of itself bar his or her visitation rights where he or she has not thereafter led a life of crime. Likewise, present incarceration in a penal institution does not justify denying the parent all access to or visitation with his or her minor children. However, an inmate's right to visitation with his or her children may be restricted where he or she is a convicted sex offender."

Source: AMJUR DIVORCE § 892

We're going to have to agree to disagree about this. Laws vary greatly from state to state, which is why in some law forums I go to, NO ANSWER is ever even attempted until we know what state the poster is in.

 

[mmmagique]

We don't know that - all we know is that LE will not release the information from the 911 call and that Rudy Sanchez was an alias. Given that LE have gained no ground in the alleged murder for hire, it's my opinion that they no longer have contact with him.

Terri can't defend herself against the murder for hire allegations in the civil divorce case unless her lawyers are able to access that information and cross-examine the witness. Otherwise, Kaine can't bring that information in - it's hearsay. Since LE cannot and/or will not produce the landscaper, it's my opinion that he cannot be found.

. You must have an msm source.

 

[AlexisFresca]

I think Terris silence is abnormal in this case as she is not acting like a loving parent. Loving parents would not be focused on themselves when their children have gone missing-their focus would be on doing anything to find their child. Terri is more concerned with protecting herself. Where is her anger that any1 could dare accuse her of hurting a child she loved? Why is she not pleading with the "real" perpetrator to tell where kyron is.
In my view her silence shouts out her guilt, but I agree that LE need to get more evidence in order to convict. Common sense points the finger at her, but there has to be concrete evidence somewhere.

This is from an older article, but I find it fascinating, as to what's important to Terri, according to Terri. The link for this is provided afterwards.

Psychologists KGW spoke to call the surveys "projective" because those who fill them out project their psychological feelings onto the questions posed.

In the first survey posted on Terri Horman's Facebook page, a question asks: "What are 2 of your favorite things to do?" The answer posted is: "lift weights and gardening."

Another question asks: "Two things you want very badly at the moment." The answer: "Teaching job & to be in bikini shape.

Yet another question asks: "What was the last heavy item you lifted?" The answer: "40# dumbbells."

Terri Horman was a competitive body builder in 2005.

The entire survey carries 67 questions. A count of the answers shows 25% of the answers dealt with working out or the body. Eight percent of the answers mentioned her toddler Kiara. Three percent related to her husband Kaine. Zero percent mention her step son, Kyron.

http://www.kgw.com/home/Insights-to-Terri-Horman-98377499.html

 

[Donjeta]

Forgive me for chuckling, but amidst these tawdry proceedings, your naivete on the particulars of this case is refreshing. I wish I didn't know anything about these people and their private lives. Yes, Kaine had an affair while Desiree was pregnant with Kyron. His affair was with Terri. I imagine it's to their credit that the relationship lasted as long as it did. Many relationships begun like theirs was burn out really quickly.

It seems to me that they all would be better off if the relationship had quietly burned out in the first couple of years. This turned out really toxic and harmful for everybody concerned in the end, even if Terri didn't do anything to Kyron.

 

[Donjeta]

Last paragraph of filing..

So, Terri's idea of a reasonable compromise is that Kaine should hand over his money and their child, no questions asked?

Shouldn't she be paying child support to him instead? Supposing Kaine keeps the custody of the child and Terri has no visitation, money that Kaine has to give to Terri is money that can't be used to benefit the child

 

[gwenabob]

So, Terri's idea of a reasonable compromise is that Kaine should hand over his money and their child, no questions asked?

Shouldn't she be paying child support to him instead?

Seems to be the case. Bunch and Houze should be blushing. It takes a lot of nerve to make demands like that in this specific case, and the whine that Kaine and Rackner aren't playing nice.

She needs to get away from the idea that anybody owes her anything. She needs to earn her own way for a change.

 

[Trt]

I'd like to think not for sure. But it was just a visual to say, if she was drunk and passed out by 7:00 or 8:00...then who could have taken the picture. I only get the drinking info from the Oct.25th filing on page 6..item 6.
It states "several nights a week"...maybe she took this particular night off...my bad for saying every nite...

How do we know the pictures were taken the night before, instead of the morning of Easter? My children and I would always do our eggs on Easter morning/afternoon. jmo

 

[Donjeta]

Rackner won that round with a wide margin IMO.

 

[txsvicki]

It looks like proceeding normally with a divorce and asking for financial divisions and visitation, even custody would be a person trying to seem innocent of the crime Terri is thought to have committed.

 

[Donjeta]

The photographs are useless as evidence of Terri's sobriety or lack thereof IMO because someone else could have taken them or they could have taken them themselves using the camera timer or they might have placed the camera on a steady surface or a stand in order to eliminate the effect of shaky hands or the good photos could have been taken with many less successful attempts that were not published or maybe she got drunk later that evening or was out of booze etc.

 

[BeanE]

But BeanE that is a defense attorney view about the criminal matter.

A defense attorney with no dog in this race, gram, simply explaining the legal technicalities. The same as all our defense attorneys here do. (I don't think we have any prosecutors here, but I could be wrong.)

IMO, it's a good explanation.

 

[Trt]

It looks like proceeding normally with a divorce and asking for financial divisions and visitation, even custody would be a person trying to seem innocent of the crime Terri is thought to have committed.

Terri didn't want to proceed normally with divorce...she wanted to have it abated. She wanted not to deal with the custody for as long as she was under suspicion. She wanted to ask for money, but not have to submit to any of the normal evaluations, etc. that come with custody matters.

JMO

 

[grandmaj]

A defense attorney with no dog in this race, gram, simply explaining the legal technicalities. The same as all our defense attorneys here do. (I don't think we have any prosecutors here, but I could be wrong.)

IMO, it's a good explanation.

Yup as it relates to the criminal case.

She doesn't talk about family court and what is best for baby K? And doesn't say Terri should be allowed visitation with Baby K without any screening.

 

[Trt]

The photographs are useless as evidence of Terri's sobriety or lack thereof IMO because someone else could have taken them or they could have taken them themselves using the camera timer or they might have placed the camera on a steady surface or a stand in order to eliminate the effect of shaky hands or the good photos could have been taken with many less successful attempts that were not published or maybe she got drunk later that evening or was out of booze etc.

Exactly...it could have been a week that J stayed...

 

[JBean]

snipped You must have an msm source.

what parts do you want a link for? I will be happy to help locate one, if there is one for that which you are questioning.