2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[grandmaj]

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107295&page=4

Link to the scanner Whisperer.

 

[RubyRed]

Buzz is that we should start listening to Scanner....possible news. Didn't we have a scanner thread for Portland?

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107295&page=45

 

[pinkpuddytat]

A restraining order can keep either parent from removing the child(ren) without permission from the other parent. It doesn't prohibit either parent from seeing the children, it just keeps them from unilaterally deciding the issue of custody.

A restraining order can order whatever the judge sees fit to order, including prohibiting one parent from getting anywhere near the child.

 

[nanny2five]

it was an attempt at humor sorry.

i tend to turn to humor when i really feel like smashing my head into a wall

it made me chuckle, as any mention of jb will i had to stab myself with a lead pencil to keep from one-upping your ha-ha

 

[Whisperer]

The way things have come down today, it is possible. Maybe they are keeping the public preoccupied with family personal busines and that keeps the media away from the real story.

 

[Lokiza]

Wowza! I take off for a couple days and look what happens!!! Wow- I came home from class tonight to watch the news down south and there it was...this filing for divorce news on one of our local stations.

Wow something big must be brewing for KH to be moving to protect himself and the other sibling.

I continue to watch this case with interest. Please let the good guys win this one- I still hope Kyron is safe. If not and TH had something to do with it...why..oh why?

 

[pinkpuddytat]

What I don't get is that she ANSWERED THE PHONE (the 2nd time). All this stuff going on in the last few hours and SHE picks up the phone! At least get your mom or dad to answer for you. What on :earth: is this woman doing?

Perhaps mom and dad are no longer volunteering to be her gofers . . .

 

[costalpilot]

I've never been divorced but to my knowledge seeking a restraining order is not a typical thing to do as part of the process.

i have. its not.

 

[Kimster]

Posts about the Facebook discussion are being moved to the Facebook thread: [ame="http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107291"]Facebook - Missing Kyron Horman - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community[/ame]

Please continue on this thread with the discussion about the divorce and RO being filed.

 

[PickieChickie]

Here is the only information on OJIN so far. Not sure if it will update until a court date is set.

Case Register........ Multnomah Circuit Court Status Open ACTV
Case#...... 100666084 Horman Kaine Andrew/Horman Terri Lynn Moulton
Domestic Relations Dissolution

___ ROLE______ PLAINTIFF_____________________ ATTORNEY______________________
1 Petitioner Horman Kaine Andrew Rackner Laura Ellen Stanford

___ ROLE______ DEFENDANT______________________ATTORNEY______________________
1 Respondent Horman Terri Lynn Moulton

___ ENTER DT FILE DT EVENT/FILING/PROCEEDING_______ SCHD DT TIME___ ROOM
1 6/28/10 6/28/10 Petition
******** END OF DATA ********

Do you have a link for that? Thanks

 

[pinkpuddytat]

bbm
I think it's that they can't be forced to testify against each other. ETA Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

The specifics may vary from state to state. As I recall, the old common law rule was no spouse-against-spouse testimony at all, but different states can move away from traditional common law in different ways. Possibly in some states, the spouse to be testified against can block the testimony, even if it would otherwise be allowable.

 

[piderman]

But in all fairness, Terri's ex-husbands were remarkably positive about her in their statements to the press.

I've always believed Terri either knew what happened to Kyron or harmed him in some way, but I don't believe this is a black and white situation with Terri bearing all the guilt.

Kaine gives me the creeps, and apparently he gave Desiree the creeps, too. Granted, she's putting all that aside for her son, but that doesn't mean she thinks Kaine is a better person now than he was seven years ago.

I don't think Kaine is guilty of harming Kyron, but I don't think he's innocent insofar as what may have led to this point (and this isn't a defense of Terri).

Something about Kaine really, really, really bothers me.

also, i have been thinking about the fact that desiree had a 7-year-old son when she filed the restraining order against kaine. and, terri had a son of approx. the same age when kaine hooked up with her. which is approx the same age as kyron.

 

[Infojunkie]

I hafta say this though. If my significant other "lost" my kid on their watch I would file anyway. If I had a child in between us I would take that kid with me. No doubt.

I can say that because of the trust I have with my husband, if something happened on his watch I would feel all sorts of awful about HIM, because I know he would blame himself....I wouldn't need to make him feel like ****, he would do that to himself.
That is what parenting is...being able to give your co-parent some responsibility. Losing kids takes about a blink, it happens, it doesn't make anyone a crappy parent. Men are getting an unfair rap on this kind of BS.

 

[GrainneDhu]

I can't even imagine anyone not seeing the train wreck that lies ahead...to me it's just so obvious and I really expect to wake up in the morning and see an arrest.
Precious Kyron, I still pray that he is alive but everything within me tells me he isn't.

momtective, it is clear to me which way the train is headed: arrest and trial of TMH.

Right now, based on the information we've been given (rather than the rampant speculation), I just don't see anything that would give me reason to vote her guilty. A lot of suggestive inferences about her character but as for hard information, there's still nada.

I am hoping that LE really does have more information that they are not releasing and that information is high quality.

But I just cannot forget all the cases where innocent people have been railroaded.

 

[AvalonBlue]

This is all driving me insane..on Friday Kaine was saying all was groovy despite the fact she wasn't there...now he has taken his daughter and filed for divorce and R.O..He was home that morning too...I occasionally wonder if TH may be being set up by Kaine...because if nothing did happen today he has just completely taken the focus off Kyron and set everyones aims right back on Terri... ;/

Respectfully, I think *part* of the media exposure last week with Desiree and Kaine was a strategic maneuver involving LE; i.e. the natural parents (Kaine's words) beginning to publicly distance themselves from TH, possibly put increased pressure on TH, etc.

I want to be clear as well that I believe Desiree and Kaine were being real and genuine regarding their feelings of love and grief about Kyron. I don't think Kaine was/is involved in Kyron's disappearance for a variety of reasons I plan to detail in a future post (hopefully tonight;-)? if sleep doesn't claim me first.

A clarification I'd like to make, although I don't have the links right at hand...however, it is my understanding that on June 4th (a Friday, as we know) Kaine was at his Intel office in the morning and then worked at home in the afternoon.

IMO, Kaine's actions today (divorce filing, RO, moving out of the house) does *not* take the focus off Kyron. I believe it totally spotlights sweet Kyron and Kaine's love, devotion, and determination to do the right thing now that it appears he, Desiree, and Tony know information from LE that none of the rest of us knows.

I don't think the focus of the investigation has ever really been removed from Terri, for many good reasons that have already been documented, here and elsewhere. I do believe other POI's have definitely been looked at; I don't believe LE would try to take an "easy way out" by railroading TH. I believe LE has been very clear in repeatedly stating that they want to do everything very carefully in this investigation and not mess anything up.

Clearly, as I believe we all really know, LE knows SO much more than we do, rightfully so -- and now Desiree, Kaine, and Tony are privy to all that has been discovered; hence today's developments, and the glaring absence of TH's name on the family statement released tonight.

Again, I want to stress I'm not attacking your post -- I'm using it to bounce off of in order to make some of the points above.

I think we will all be amazed at the info forthcoming as events unfold this week -- and beyond.

What a day!
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Submitted IMHO & with prayers for Kyron and his family

 

[Mylou]

I have a headache.

I wonder if that reporter's story earlier would be enough for a RO , that the child was endangered at that time ? And the article in People mag. that possibly could be endangering the investigation , and whether it all has anything to do with what is occuring now.

I was thinking earlier about the unity of the families, and wondering how it could be so united.
Yes, in my experience I have seen unity with broken families and new families,
but in these particular families there has been alot of different relationships.
Lots of steps, halfs, as far as children go.
TH wasn't the only one to have had more then one failed relationship.
That being said, I had been thinking about how united they really were.

Now I wonder about how honest everyone is with one another. For TH to have been surprised by this new set of circumstances says alot about her own husbands honesty, unless she is medicated and totally delusional right now, or suffers from something else.

I really, really , don't know what to think at this point.

Except I pray faithfully, continuously that Kyron will be found alive.

 

[6angels]

Kaine Horman had just such a restraining order filed against him by Desiree; the judge granted the order against both parents.

Where is this information coming from?

This sounds like a rumor.

 

[Trident]

I've always been a bit skeptical of stepmom, but this development is over the top. As far as I'm concerned, something STINKS about this whole case.

 

[kbl8201]

i know from personal experience prosecutors dont even have to prove you knew the victim to get a conviction.

still, whoever is charged, there better be a body cause no body might mean no conviction here

 

[cluciano63]

I can't see an arrest coming in this case unless there is some actual evidence, either a very solid eyewitness or physical. LE has been so careful, I would be surprised if they messed it by making an arrest based only on suspicion. But they have to know that Terri should/probably will get an attorney now, if she does not have one. It seems she does not, or she would likely not be picking up phones and talking with reporters.