2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

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Terri may talk to the media

PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.

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The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story.

“She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.”

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/loca...talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

BeanE - this news is almost worthy of its own thread. It certainly is if she actually speaks. WOW. It is either defensive posturing and keeping friends strung along in naive belief that she might say something or she really is considering talking to media.

I think Terri would be better off getting an attorney than having a media interview, but of course, the public (including me) would prefer the latter. I am actually surprised that some defense attorneys haven't already approached her with a pro bono offer to represent her and in which case they would say, stop answering the phone and stop answering the door, and stop talking to law enforcement. Their payment would come from the high profile exposure, of course.

Even though I am convinced she is the reason Kyron is missing, I certainly don't know how strong of a case LE will be able to put together for a jury - at least not until an arrest is made and the evidentiary facts come out. I hope it is strong enough for conviction but Terri going to media now will certainly not help her defense, in the long run.

I am on Kyron's side so I would be happy for Terri to talk to the news.

Thanks for posting this article!
 
Not sure where to post as I don't see a JVM thread but I'm watching it now and one of her guest/attorney's said that it "appeared" to her as though there very well may have been previous abuse issues between Terri and Kyron, therefore a judge would grant a RO due to the risk she could/would pose to baby K. If this turns out to be true I WILL BE OUTRAGED! And if true, I wonder if Kaine ever shared this with Kyron's mom Desiree or kept it "within the family" (within their own 4-walls)?? Did anyone else hear this and what are your thoughts - TIA!


I didn't hear that comment,but I have wondered,since the beginning of this case,what Kyron's day to day life was really like.IF there was abuse going on,did Kyron try to tell anyone about it ? If so,who ? I wonder if he told his mom and step dad ?

IMO TH seems to be in deep denial about many things at this time.The denial will wear off when she can't even lie to herself any more..... Then we'll see... .

All JMO
 
Terri may talk to the media

PORTLAND, Ore. – Terri Moulton Horman was “blindsided” by the divorce papers, according to a close friend.

snip

The friend said Terri may consider talking publicly and airing her side of the story.

“She’s been doing what Kaine said all along and he’s been telling her to stay quiet. The public will benefit from hearing what she has to say.”

http://www.koinlocal6.com/news/loca...talk-to-the-media/Dz4uMChK60KCWjy3W5FG4Q.cspx

**IF** someone wanted to set her up to look like the person behind (hopefully just) the disappearance - I don't think they could have done much better. Kaine applying for and receiving the restraining order - certainly puts the nail in as far as public opinion.

I was thinking all along being on SI was hiding something she didn't want Kaine to know, but now I'm wondering who didn't want private "stuff" aired.

I maintain my opinion that she's not smart enough to pull this off by herself and leave no tracks.


(Still feeling like I'm defending Terri, when actually, I'm just not sure it is she that is responsible.)
 
At the risk of having a rotten pumpkin thrown at me, what if Terri's sin was that she lied about what time she left the school that morning.... What if she was in a hurry to meet someone at SI and took Kyron in, snapped a photo and left him thinking, class starts soon, he will be fine and he was taken by someone? So if she said she was at the school at 8:45 lets say she left at 8:15 and the pings gave her away, lets just say that? What if Kaine found out that she lied and was having an affair and because she was, Kyron was at school but not safe because of the day and no sign in and all the outsiders for the show and fair. So he is mad and files for divorce and takes K because she put Kyron in a unsafe position by leaving early and not making sure he was safe with a teacher or in a class room. Just a thought..I am having a hard time with her taking him to school, then telling him to come to the island and killing him. I can't get this to fit.... Okay throw rotten pumpkin now.
 
Just learned on NG that Terri's 16yo son was sent away in March to live with grandparents because he was butting heads with Kaine (if true).

Now we are hearing Terri honored Kaine's request for 'silence' with the media.

We have a husband filing for divorce during the most heartbreaking times of his life - his son has been missing for weeks - he gets a RO PLUS files for divorce and his wife supposedly knows nothing about it.

Now I'm wondering if the disappearance of Kyron has anything to do with Terri's stepson being sent away - is this a get even kind of deal? Could she have been set-up for this crime? Wish the insurance policies on Kyron were available for us to review. moo mho and all that stuff.
 
At the risk of having a rotten pumpkin thrown at me, what if Terri's sin was that she lied about what time she left the school that morning.... What if she was in a hurry to meet someone at SI and took Kyron in, snapped a photo and left him thinking, class starts soon, he will be fine and he was taken by someone? So if she said she was at the school at 8:45 lets say she left at 8:15 and the pings gave her away, lets just say that? What if Kaine found out that she lied and was having an affair and because she was, Kyron was at school but not safe because of the day and no sign in and all the outsiders for the show and fair. So he is mad and files for divorce and takes K because she put Kyron in a unsafe position by leaving early and not making sure he was safe with a teacher or in a class room. Just a thought..I am having a hard time with her taking him to school, then telling him to come to the island and killing him. I can't get this to fit.... Okay throw rotten pumpkin now.

It could be something like that. I don't consider that vegetable-throw worthy. =) I'm not sure if that would explain the RO for the daughter, but it could explain the sudden divorce.
 
Personally, I think teens leaving one parent to go live with another parent is not all that unusual. Being a teenager is rough - on both the teen and the parents. Terri's poor son has two dads (one who gave him up for adoption, another who hasn't seen him in several years). Can't be easy for that kid. Though it could speak to some of the stress the family has been under, I've never seen any direct connection between him going to live with his grandparents in a small town, and Kyron's disappearance.
 
Going back to the firearm clause in the RO. We are in another state, but last year my sister had to file an Ro against a man who was stalking her and not only did the judge add the no firearms clause, he had the sheriff's department go to the man's home and confiscate all of his guns and rifles. This man was told that he would not be able to retrieve his firearms until the RO was lifted (a minimum of one year, longer if he did not leave her alone).
 
I was thinking all along being on SI was hiding something she didn't want Kaine to know, but now I'm wondering who didn't want private "stuff" aired. I maintain my opinion that she's not smart enough to pull this off by herself and leave no tracks.

Theoretically, she could have had help, from the same party she didn't want Kaine to know about.

But I don't see any evidence that she is dumb (crazy yes, but not dumb), nor that she managed to leave no tracks. Just because we personally don't have a view of the tracks, doesn't mean LE doesn't. And the cell phone pings from Sauvie Island are tracks that we all know about, and that apparently she hadn't thought to cover by turning the power off on her cell phone. If that's how it really went down, then that was at least one careless mistake, and there may well be a whole bunch more that we don't know about yet.
 
Parenting time is another term for visitation.

So basically you could reword that as Terri was granted "no visitation of Baby K" and it would be exactly the same thing. There is supervised parenting time, just as there is supervised visitation. Terri got none, supervised or otherwise.

"Also known as visitation, parenting time plans are meant to ensure children have the opportunity to spend meaningful time together with each parent after a break-up and divorce."


http://www.helzercromar.com/CM/FamilyLaw/Visitation-Parenting-Time.asp



I'm not clear on the exact meaning of "no parenting time". Seems to me it doesn't necessarily mean no contact at all, but could also mean just no *unsupervised* contact (i.e. no normal parental rights, in which the parent gets a certain amount of time to have the child and be responsible for the child in a normal parent role).

*IF* this particular order actually stipulates no contact whatsoever, i.e. not even a weekly one-hour supervised visit with a police officer and state-appointed social worker present, that would indeed be huge. I would think it would mean that LE is representing to the court that it's quite confident that Terri will not be in a position to have any future parental role in the baby's life AND/OR that Terri is so dangerously unstable that the baby wouldn't be safe in her presence even with a supervising LEO and social worker.
 
I just wonder if now that LE and Kaine have basically taken away everything from her, what is her motivation to cooperate with LE anymore than she already has? What does she have to lose right now? If she is guilty, I can't see her confessing now, they already took her baby away. I suppose they could try the removal of death penalty for example, if it comes to that, but I can't see her thinking about that right now. In her mind, she has been helping police and this is how she was repaid, maybe? They took her baby and convinced her husband to leave her? Terri needs a good lawyer sooner than later.

If she is not guilty, this is all too horrible to contemplate.
 
Maybe now she'll finally get a lawyer, even if it's just to fight for visitation. He had to convince a judge that she was/is dangerous. Wonder if that info came from LE (part of the investigation). Normally it's very difficult to keep a mother from her child. Wonder if CPS is involved?
 
Just learned on NG that Terri's 16yo son was sent away in March to live with grandparents because he was butting heads with Kaine (if true).

Now we are hearing Terri honored Kaine's request for 'silence' with the media.

We have a husband filing for divorce during the most heartbreaking times of his life - his son has been missing for weeks - he gets a RO PLUS files for divorce and his wife supposedly knows nothing about it.

Now I'm wondering if the disappearance of Kyron has anything to do with Terri's stepson being sent away - is this a get even kind of deal? Could she have been set-up for this crime? Wish the insurance policies on Kyron were available for us to review. moo mho and all that stuff.

BBM. LE is smarter than that. The RO was sealed to protect the investigation. IMO, that tells me Kaine has enough knowledge of the investigation to not want to spend one more minute with the person LE is fingering for causing his son to disappear. IMO, we'd have half the threads we do on abused and murdered children if a parent would take this action instead of sticking with their evil significant others.
 
I just wonder if now that LE and Kaine have basically taken away everything from her, what is her motivation to cooperate with LE anymore than she already has? What does she have to lose right now? If she is guilty, I can't see her confessing now, they already took her baby away. I suppose they could try the removal of death penalty for example, if it comes to that, but I can't see her thinking about that right now. In her mind, she has been helping police and this is how she was repaid, maybe? They took her baby and convinced her husband to leave her? Terri needs a good lawyer sooner than later.

If she is not guilty, this is all too horrible to contemplate.

Having sole custody doesn't mean other person doesn't get any visitation. One could say that if so much has been taken from her, the motivation would be to get something of it back. (like seeing one's child).
 
Maybe now she'll finally get a lawyer, even if it's just to fight for visitation. He had to convince a judge that she was/is dangerous. Wonder if that info came from LE (part of the investigation). Normally it's very difficult to keep a mother from her child. Wonder if CPS is involved?


The judge stated he sealed the RO to protect the investigation. So I'm sure that there is info from the investigation.
 
I am having a hard time with her taking him to school, then telling him to come to the island and killing him. I can't get this to fit....

Yes, that's the toughest part of the puzzle. All the signs now point to her having been responsible (and to LE and Kaine believing she was responsible). Perhaps we'd understand it if we had access to all the interview and questionnaire information that LE collected but hasn't released. But it's apparently been confirmed that both Terri and Kyron were seen at the school that morning, at some time after quite a few other people had already arrived at the school too, and that Kyron was not seen again beyond 9:00 or so.

It's hard enough to imagine how she could have gotten him out of and away from the school after that, *especially* on a morning with an unusual number of parents being at the school, without anybody seeing (but maybe someone *did* see, and LE knows that, even though we don't).

But it's almost beyond comprehension that she could have planned in *advance* to be able to get him out of there somehow, after making an appearance to create an alibi. She obviously knew a lot of other parents would be there, and had no way of controlling who would stop her in the hall as she left with Kyron, and ask "is he sick?" when wondering why he was leaving with her, or who would spot her in the parking lot as she was getting into her truck and run over wanting to talk about the kids and their science fair projects. And the idea that she didn't have it all planned in advance, and either did it impulsively, or took Kyron to the school that morning with the idea in her head that she'd *try* to sneak him out of there after they'd been seen and then take him somewhere and kill him, but just try again some other time if it didn't work out today . . . well, those scenarios just seem beyond plausibility.

Like you, I haven't been able to put together a remotely plausible scenario under which she could have:

1) been with him at that tiny school with hordes of parents and children who would recognize both her and Kyron (apparently confirmed to have happened), and

2) then gotten him out of both the building and the parking lot (which would have been crowded with other parents leaving around the same time) before the time that at least one child (the one whose idiot grandmother had him talk to the media) says he was noticed missing from class by a teacher's aide.

If she could somehow have managed those two steps, the rest was easy, but I'm not getting how she managed those two steps without being seen doing Step 2 (but again, maybe LE knows that she *was* seen doing Step 2). Maybe she just asked Kyron to come with her to get something from the truck before going to the classroom, and had some cover story prepared for both him and anyone who might spot them, as to why they were going out to the truck. That's the "plan on trying to kill him today, but postponing it to another day if it doesn't work out" theory. Technically plausible, but just seems awfully far-fetched.

Then again, if any of us had speculated before Elizabeth Smart was found, that she might actually be walking around Salt Lake City, being taken to parties and restaurants by her kidnapper, while wearing a face veil, we'd probably have been laughed off of WS for the preposterousness of our speculation. I'm thinking we may well be in for another round of finding out that some wildly implausible scenario is in fact what happened with Kyron. And maybe there will yet be an Elizabeth Smart-type miracle, and Kyron will be found alive and healthy in a well-concealed underground bunker on Sauvie Island. Until a body is found, there's still hope.
 
Now I'm wondering if the disappearance of Kyron has anything to do with Terri's stepson being sent away - is this a get even kind of deal? Could she have been set-up for this crime?

I had thought early on that if the older stepbrother hadn't been verifiably away on a scout camping trip with his father when Kyron disappeared, then he'd have been a prime suspect. He has a plausible motive, and he's somebody Kyron would have readily run over to, if he motioned to Kyron from the woods/brush adjacent to the school. But he *was* verifiably away on the scout trip with his father and a whole bunch of other people.
 
The thing that keeps sticking in my mind is the teacher that said he was probably in the bathroom or getting a drink of water. I can't get it out of mind. I'm wondering if maybe she told the teacher this? And maybe told the other one about an appointment to get him away from the school? I can't imagine a teacher just assuming the kid is in the bathroom or getting water without the kid or a parent telling them that's where that kid is. And if it's a parent saying that, a parent that hasn't been suspected of anything bad before, there won't be any questioning and the teacher will take that parent's word as good and not think twice about it.

Either she lied to people to get him out of that school, or was extremely negligent by just leaving and not making sure he was in class. Either Kaine found out about her lies, her negligence, or both, and that caused him to want to have nothing more to do with her. I wouldn't blame him one bit if she was lying and negligent.
 
"Terri can ask for a hearing or the judge could set a hearing date if he finds exceptional circumstances, but Runstein said these family matters will probably be delayed until the criminal case is completed."

http://www.katu.com/news/97436564.html
 
But it's almost beyond comprehension that she could have planned in *advance* to be able to get him out of there somehow, after making an appearance to create an alibi. She obviously knew a lot of other parents would be there, and had no way of controlling who would stop her in the hall as she left with Kyron, and ask "is he sick?" when wondering why he was leaving with her, or who would spot her in the parking lot as she was getting into her truck and run over wanting to talk about the kids and their science fair projects. And the idea that she didn't have it all planned in advance, and either did it impulsively, or took Kyron to the school that morning with the idea in her head that she'd *try* to sneak him out of there after they'd been seen and then take him somewhere and kill him, but just try again some other time if it didn't work out today . . . well, those scenarios just seem beyond plausibility.QUOTE]

Respectfully snipped. Don't forget that IF she had something to do with this, this is not a rational person. We cannot apply rationale to her.
 
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