2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[wondering1]

Boy, you said it MUCH better than me! Please excuse me, I need to eat. Low blood sugar! But that's exactly right.
The OJIN is just the list on the website of documents and hearings, etc.. It does not mean you can click on a doc and get a copy. Especially since those docs have been sealed.

haha...I just ate

 

[Day Dreamer]

ARGH. I was just reading a story on OregonLive stating she was not allowed access to K or the older son. Now I can't find the wording in any of the stories in my cache. :waitasec:

JMO.

ETA: That's why, it was ABC News, not OregonLive. http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-hor...d-explosive-court-documents/story?id=11050953

SNIP --> The restraining order prohibits Terri Horman from having contact with her other children, an older son and the toddler daughter.

Here you go ...

According to this article, the RO prohibits TH from having any contact w/ her children, both her son and daughter. I guess a judge can make that determination whether or not Kaine has custody of the older son.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horm...1050953&page=1

But to file the type of emergency restraining order that he did, Kaine Horman would have had to made the case that his wife posed an immediate threat to him or their 18-month old daughter, according to former FBI special agent Brad Garrett.

The restraining order prohibits Terri Horman from having contact with her other children, an older son and the toddler daughter. Kaine Horman is asking Oregon courts for sole custody of the little girl.

 

[wondering1]

Here you go ...

According to this article, the RO prohibits TH from having any contact w/ her children, both her son and daughter. I guess a judge can make that determination whether or not Kaine has custody of the older son.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/kyron-horm...1050953&page=1

But to file the type of emergency restraining order that he did, Kaine Horman would have had to made the case that his wife posed an immediate threat to him or their 18-month old daughter, according to former FBI special agent Brad Garrett.

The restraining order prohibits Terri Horman from having contact with her other children, an older son and the toddler daughter. Kaine Horman is asking Oregon courts for sole custody of the little girl.

I thought about this issue when I first saw that article or similar then decided it was too peripheral to worry about. But now that it's come up here, I don't think Kaine would have standing to assert the older boy's rights since he is not his parent and not, afaik, his legal guardian. Maybe there are exceptions in exigent circumstances, but I'm not aware of that.

 

[GrainneDhu]

IMO, since there had to be an immediate decision made on the FAPA application, the judge sealed everything as a precautionary measure until it could be determined if anything involving the investigation was contained within the documents. I don't believe LE or DA had anything to do with it being sealed.

When I read the order unsealing the RO, it looked to me like Kaine Horman's lawyers were the party who had applied for the original order to seal, as well.

Unless I misread the document in question, which is always possible.

 

[Day Dreamer]

I thought about this issue when I first saw that article or similar then decided it was too peripheral to worry about. But now that it's come up here, I don't think Kaine would have standing to assert the older boy's rights since he is not his parent and not, afaik, his legal guardian. Maybe there are exceptions in exigent circumstances, but I'm not aware of that.

I don't think Kaine would have the right to ask. That is why I *think* the judge could have possibly felt the need to add the son to the order?

 

[gitana1]

Still confusion on the other thread, I guess. maybe here too. Bottom line is that we are not going to be allowed to see why Kaine requested an RO nor the grounds for granting the RO. That's the last I'm going to say on the subject for now. I am off to eat!!!!!!!!!

 

[Donjeta]

That's good I think... Not that I'm not interested but regardless of whether it helps or hinders Kyron's case it would not be pleasant for the baby nor the older son to read about it on the internet (whatever "it" is). It's their mother and their life for better or for worse.

 

[GrainneDhu]

Really crazy law if you ask me.... if someone refuses to pay child support the visitation should automatically be nixed!

That would be hugely unfair to the child(ren) involved.

Plus, what about the reasons for not paying child support? In today's economy, there are millions of people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own who have been unable to find another job in 99 weeks. I would find it incredibly unfair to deny someone who was unable to pay child support due to no fault of their own contact with their children.

 

[matou]

Sorry if this was already discussed but Just getting caught up. The author of this article from People magazine writes that

the restraining order was filed after Kaine had been fully briefed by law enforcement on the ongoing investigation into his son's disappearance.

This is insinuating that Kaine filed for a RO against his wife after hearing what the cops have on the case so far, at least that's what I'm getting out of this. Why ditch the wife and keep her away from her kids if she has nothing to do with this investigation? JMO

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20398252,00.html

 

[AbbieNormal]

This post is for Aaedrys- (sorry if I spelled your nic wrong)

Here is the link to the pics and article I was telling you about that you said you wanted to see. Lawd, I thought I would NEVER find it. Its of Terri's house and written by the reporter that just walked up the other day to her door. Also describes the way their driveway comes off of another road, and a bunch of other driveways do too- pic of her house and their gate here too

http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06...man-and-whats-changed-at-the-house-this-week/

 

[Day Dreamer]

Sorry if this was already discussed but Just getting caught up. The author of this article from People magazine writes that

This is insinuating that Kaine filed for a RO against his wife after hearing what the cops have on the case so far, at least that's what I'm getting out of this. Why ditch the wife and keep her away from her kids if she has nothing to do with this investigation? JMO

http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20398252,00.html

How else could they possibly expect the public to take this? Actions speak louder than words. The way LE has reacted and their actions lead us to believe SM was their only suspect.

In an article I read today, it said that LE zeroed in on SM from very early on in the case. I did not want to believe she was responsible; but, that is what we are being led to believe.

 

[GrainneDhu]

IMHO LE should have Terri at the police station and have the best of the best grilling her endlessly for information as to where she put Kyron. Enough of this 6 hr interrogation business and letting her go home, they need to scare the bejusus out of her and get her to talk. Get a specialist in who does nothing but interrogate people to get them to talk, for crying out loud.
Shes not going to talk as long as shes at her own home with her parents and feels "everything is ok", insert the thumbs up here.....in her twisted world everything MIGHT BE OK. But its not, and she needs to come clean with what happened. JMO, it ticks me off.

The problem with that is that those are precisely the sort of conditions that produce false confessions. Break her, get a false confession, let a dangerous predator go free.

In my opinion, I doubt LE has enough evidence to convince them beyond a reasonable doubt that she is guilty. If they had it, they would arrest her.

That she has not yet been arrested says to me that they have some evidence that implicates her but nothing completely convincing. At this point, I suspect that they are hoping for a real confession.

But they have to keep in mind that she cannot give a true confession to something she did not do. If they put on too much pressure, there's a risk of a false confession.

Remember the Riley Fox case? Kevin Fox's story was that he was asleep alone in his bedroom. That's not the sort of story that can be easily verified and the police jumped all over it. They poured on the pressure and got a false confession.

I think the police in that case were very, very lucky that the actual culprit did not kill any other children in the eight months before Kevin Fox was exonerated.

 

[4BB]

*Pure speculation, no facts*

I'm not sure of the timing..could KH's brother have said something upon his arrest (on an unrelated charge) that prompted LE to take a closer look at TH?
I swept the affair scenario under the rug, BUT if she was having an affair with..say..a registered sex offender..wouldn't that be considered endangering a child?

 

[curiousgal]

That would be hugely unfair to the child(ren) involved.

Plus, what about the reasons for not paying child support? In today's economy, there are millions of people who have lost their jobs through no fault of their own who have been unable to find another job in 99 weeks. I would find it incredibly unfair to deny someone who was unable to pay child support due to no fault of their own contact with their children.

To keep this post on track, I will not get into it again. I think a page or 2 back the comments/posts are still there as to why I feel strongly about this, therefor you or anyone else saying it's unfair is really none of anyones business. EACH CASE IS UNIQUE!!!

 

[sherbetjello]

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Either someone is smoking here, or those are some really odd "God rays." If reporters or onlookers kept coming on my property smoking/leaving butts all over the place I would also put up those signs.​

 

[cluciano63]

I worry too that a lot of the pressure from LE is in order to try to force a confession because that means they do not have enough evidence to support an arrest without one and that may never come.

 

[roseofsharon]

I haven't seen anyone come forward to advocate for this woman.

Do we know if there is any history regarding psychiatric admissions, i.e. postpartum depression, bipolar disorder.

IMO -- she appears somewhat detached -- forcing her sadness.

JMO

 

[IRule254]

The home of Terrie and Kaine Horman - Photos by James Pitkin

Photos from fascinating blog entry entitled "A visit with Terrie Horman" published 12:40 PM June 28th, 2010 by James Pitkin:
http://blogs.wweek.com/news/2010/06/28/a-visit-with-terri-moulton-horman-and-whats-changed-at-the-house-this-week/​

I'm sorry, I know is is trivial.... but, at this point, you'd think they would take that silly sign down....

 

[AbbieNormal]

Maybe the sign is accurate and "says it all".

 

[Aedrys]

*Pure speculation, no facts*

I'm not sure of the timing..could KH's brother have said something upon his arrest (on an unrelated charge) that prompted LE to take a closer look at TH?
I swept the affair scenario under the rug, BUT if she was having an affair with..say..a registered sex offender..wouldn't that be considered endangering a child?

*more speculation only*

That is something I've been wondering about. IF she had an affair not only with his brother, but his brother the now convicted sex offender, that would certainly seem like something that would endanger the kids, especially if she was giving access to them without Kaine's permission. I can see that being a reason for the divorce and RO.