2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[For The Kids]

I dont get why she needs a further 96 hours to get out bearing in mind that shes known for a while she has to get out of that house. And surely shes not intending to strip the house? I dont get her lawyers comments about making sure that Kaine and K have enough things?

 

[Angel4u2Whisper2]

Apparently It didn't matter where he lived cause his soon to be ex just has the address googled and has access to hitman type folks. The point to me is that he may have realised that he thought that an undisclosed location was possiable and she proved him wrong. So why not just move back in? Dunno.

 

[DairyGirl]

I dont get why she needs a further 96 hours to get out bearing in mind that shes known for a while she has to get out of that house. And surely shes not intending to strip the house? I dont get her lawyers comments about making sure that Kaine and K have enough things?

On the other hand why doesn't Kaine just wait until Monday? He has been gone all these weeks. Another few days isn't that big of a deal. I do hope she doesn't clean him out. As far as I know she doesn't have another place to go to. All she needs are her clothes and personal affects.

 

[Tiki]

She's claiming she doesn't have enough money to move, so where is she going to put all the stuff that she thinks K and baby don't need?

 

[xin]

I dont get why she needs a further 96 hours to get out bearing in mind that shes known for a while she has to get out of that house. And surely shes not intending to strip the house? I dont get her lawyers comments about making sure that Kaine and K have enough things?

did KH attny argue against letting her have 4 days to vacate? that doesn't sound so unreasonable to me. and he should be giving her some money against her settlement. for now. she DOES have some important rights.


imo

 

[AlexisFresca]

I dont get why she needs a further 96 hours to get out bearing in mind that shes known for a while she has to get out of that house. And surely shes not intending to strip the house? I dont get her lawyers comments about making sure that Kaine and K have enough things?

I agree. If I was Kaine and moving back in there, and found food was left for me, I'd pitch it all and buy all new. Not to mention, its not Terri's place 'to make sure Kiara and Kaine had the necessary possessions they needed.'

 

[Jaxson]

I dont get why she needs a further 96 hours to get out bearing in mind that shes known for a while she has to get out of that house. And surely shes not intending to strip the house? I dont get her lawyers comments about making sure that Kaine and K have enough things?

That means that she is cooperating and has given him everything he has requested from the house for him and the baby. She has not stopped his from accessing things inside via attorneys or LE.


ETA also unless she is taking nothing and going nowhere, it takes time for a background check for rentals and that is after you locate one that will take someone in her position. I bet she has clothes and personal belongings to pack up and if her household is like mine she probably has to go through everything as it is co-joined with hers...as in grandma's China, souvenirs and so much more. They have been togother for awhile and she isn't just going on vacation.

 

[xin]

On the other hand why doesn't Kaine just wait until Monday? He has been gone all these weeks. Another few days isn't that big of a deal. I do hope she doesn't clean him out. As far as I know she doesn't have another place to go to. All she needs are her clothes and personal affects.

somebody will document everything she takes out. inventory for the divorce.

 

[Haeve]

Personally I don't care what Kaine wears to court, but I think it's notable that he didn't wear a Kyron shirt. That would have definitely been stirring the pot a bit.

I mentioned this before but I was on a jury where my fellow jurors judged the defendant's and witnesses' clothing, as well as that of the defense attorney. The defendant and witnesses were hippies, the men of whom were mostly wearing button down shirts, clean khakis and clean hiking boots, which for that culture, which I am familiar with, was "dressed up". The female defense attorney wore a blouse and a skirt. The witnesses for the prosecution were LE officers in uniform and the prosecuting attorney wore a suit.

It irritated me greatly that the defense side was being judged and I insisted that none of this had anything to do with the client's guilt or innocence. And as an aside, it was clear one LE was lying, while a another one said "I do not recall" a lot, in order not to perjure himself. I liked that approach much better.

Anyway, you can be sure that if I ever have to go to court for so much as littering, I'll be wearing a skirt suit and heels. Like it or not, I can see that the court of public opinion is brutal. It irritates me that dress and hairstyle are reported upon, but on the other hand, the press does have an obligation to paint a picture of the scene for us. And again, like Desiree's hair, I hope we don't spend too much time discussing Kaine's sartorial choices.

Where's Kyron?!

 

[GrainneDhu]

And yet, it seems a little unreasonable to order her to stay 500 feet away from an undisclosed location... She NEEDED the information to be in compliance with the order, in all fairness.

In my state, petitioners for restraining orders (temporary or longterm) due to domestic violence can choose whether or not to reveal their new address in the petition.

The pros of revealing the new address are that if the respondent simply drives down the petitioner's street without stopping, that's probable cause for an arrest. All the petitioner needs is a camera good enough to take a picture of a moving license plate and then go back to court. Or, possibly, be lucky enough to have a police officer sitting right there, waiting for just such a move (this does sometimes happen).

The cons of revealing the new address are that the respondent then knows where the petitioner is living.

The pros of concealing the new address are that the respondent is less likely to know where the petitioner is residing.

The cons of concealing the new address are that the respondent can drive or walk down the petitioner's street (whether by accident or deliberation) and that is not probable cause for arrest. The respondent has to make some sort of actual attempt to contact the petitioner. This, of course, means that the respondent could do a great deal of casing the joint without ever being in violation of the RO.

The domestic violence project in my town laid out these considerations for people considering seeking a TRO and left it up to them to make their own decision based on their knowledge of the respondent.

All of the above applies in my state but I am uncertain as to whether it applies in Oregon.

 

[DairyGirl]

I agree. If I was Kaine and moving back in there, and found food was left for me, I'd pitch it all and buy all new. Not to mention, its not Terri's place 'to make sure Kiara and Kaine had the necessary possessions they needed.'

I know. When I read that I thought that meant that she planned on taking anything that wasn't necessary to them.

 

[wondering1]

Why didn't he just stay in the home and have LE remove her from the home to start with? If she had actually threatened him that evening... he could have had her arrested, and then refused to let her back in. Change the locks, etc.
Why all this drama? Good grief, I wouldn't have stayed in the house once he left with my baby, or I knew he wanted me out, but what do I know?

I think the timing was such that they wanted her in the house for the MFH sting gone awry. jmoo

 

[Jaxson]

Yes, some posters here and elsewhere immediately thought TH was guilty early on...but IIRC not the majority, not by any means. I, for one, was aghast at the accusations given the information in the public realm...from all indications those first few days, she was cooperating and very few things seemed immediately hinky to me. My opinion...and I think most others'...changed over time as the investigation progressed. It wasn't an immediate 'jump on the bandwagon damn the facts' reaction that the term "witch hunt" invokes. I appreciate why Houze is using the term (it's in his client's interest to create the impression that everyone is on a 'witch hunt')...I just don't think it's accurate.

Likewise, Houze is acting as though putting KH's address in the RO is somehow unusual. It's not...I have no statistics on hand, but from what I've read about the subject, it's not unusual to put an address of a new location in an RO, as the subject of the RO needs to know where they are not allowed to go. But it is not in TH's best interest to say, "it's not unheard of to put a new address in an RO"...it's in her interest to paint KH as being not really afraid of her/merely being vindictive just as its in his interest to claim that everyone is on a 'witch hunt' (I'd like to know if he thinks LE is on one, and if so, what evidence he has to show this).

Yes it is unusual. For my safety (and my childrens) my address was nevewr in any of the RO's that I had to obtain. If my ex had come near where I was even if he didn't know he would have gone to jail. They have to leave anywhere they might run into you by accident immediately or they are in violation. Maybe not fair but law.

 

[Jaxson]

I know. When I read that I thought that meant that she planned on taking anything that wasn't necessary to them.

NO, I believe she has turned over to his attorney or LE everything that Kaine has requested for baby K and himself since he left the house.

 

[winterrose]

A sweatshirt and shorts is not a problem,I'm sure it was probably more than what she had on in her sexting pics.Maybe he shaved his head for a reason,in some beliefs it is a sign of mourning or deep prayer times for a certain purpose.

 

[TxLady2]

I agree. If I was Kaine and moving back in there, and found food was left for me, I'd pitch it all and buy all new. Not to mention, its not Terri's place 'to make sure Kiara and Kaine had the necessary possessions they needed.'

Yes... it is, IMO. She is still the baby's mother, and would know things the baby might need or want which the daddy might not be aware of. Favorite toys, blankets, her hairbrush, stuffed animal she sleeps with every night, medication in case she gets an earache or cutting a tooth.. lots of things. It just shows that she cares and is concerned for her baby's needs as well as her husband's.
Not to mention that a child that young cannot understand why she can't see her mommy, and it is probably breaking Terri's heart in a million pieces, knowing that. I feel sorry for the child, I really do.
No disrespect to you, we can agree to disagree.

 

[kappy50]

Was his support group there , TY or DY? Not that they should be, but I thought they were like peas in a pod. And they may have been there...I dunno

 

[GrainneDhu]

Not very appropriate attire for going to Court. Even if he left some clothes behind, surely he could have borrowed/purchased appropriate attire. It can be done. It HAS been done.

I know that the domestic violence project in my old town maintained a loaner wardrobe of conservative clothing in a wide variety of sizes so that their clients could always appear in court looking appropriate. It's a token of respect for the solemnity of the occasion and befitting for someone who is literally petitioning the court.

Even women who left their homes with literally just the clothes on their backs and absolutely zero cash looked appropriate for court.

His attorney seems to find the whole situation...entertaining? funny? enjoyable? She is always smiling and laughing.

Mr Houze certainly is way ahead in the dignity stakes.

When my ex left me, he made several extremely ill considered decisions in the court case. So ill considered that the judge finally got sick of his nonsense and assessed him all my legal fees (normal in this state is for each side to pay their own legal fees).

My attorney (she was DA BOMB!) observed to me that his attorney was very new in practise and had literally never appeared in court to represent a client of her own before. My attorney speculated that perhaps his lawyer had "inadequate control of her client (my ex) due to inexperience." My attorney had argued in front of the Supreme Court and I would never have dreamed of disobeying her. I feared the withering glance!

The attire, some of the allegations made in the filings, etc, make me wonder if Ms Rackner has adequate control of her client (KH).

 

[Amster]

I confess....I pegged her as the perp at the beginning...no apologies. I'm not LE and I'm not going to be on a jury to decide anything. And, I still believe she did something to Kyron....there, full disclosure. No lectures, please. Just put me on ignore or scroll on by! :wave:

 

[For The Kids]

did KH attny argue against letting her have 4 days to vacate? that doesn't sound so unreasonable to me. and he should be giving her some money against her settlement. for now. she DOES have some important rights.


imo

She agreed a week or so to move out and that should be plenty.

As for her rights..how about Kyrons rights?? He should be at home with his daddy and sister..instead of wherever he is. And maybe she should be giving HIM money to help raise her child.

I think its laughable he should have to give her a settlement. She supposedly tried to hire someone to kill him,possibly did something to his son whose not been seen for now a month and is now seeing his friend..and yet she deserves money?