2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

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It is a huge :nono: to discuss other posters...... TOS

Let me clarify something. Terri's attorney made the comment about witch hunt. Now in general you may discuss that and if you agree or disagree internet wide, newspapers, media. Do not single out this site or your fellow posters.... That is a big no no.
 
She agreed a week or so to move out and that should be plenty.

As for her rights..how about Kyrons rights?? He should be at home with his daddy and sister..instead of wherever he is. And maybe she should be giving HIM money to help raise her child.

I think its laughable he should have to give her a settlement. She supposedly tried to hire someone to kill him,possibly did something to his son whose not been seen for now a month and is now seeing his friend..and yet she deserves money?

Like it or not I guess she does. She has not been convicted of any crime or even accused at this point. I hope the judge does what is right and fair and that includes having her pay child support.
 
NO, I believe she has turned over to his attorney or LE everything that Kaine has requested for baby K and himself since he left the house.

IMO thats not how it reads. It seems more like shes deciding what Kaine needs to remain in the house once she finally moves out

JMO
 
Yes it is unusual. For my safety (and my childrens) my address was nevewr in any of the RO's that I had to obtain. If my ex had come near where I was even if he didn't know he would have gone to jail. They have to leave anywhere they might run into you by accident immediately or they are in violation. Maybe not fair but law.
Respectfully, the plural of anecdote is not data...i.e., just because any of us did something a certain way, it doesn't mean everyone does. I worked for a law firm...many years ago, and I freely admit that I am not an attorney...but there are times addresses are put in ROs. Often it is strategic...the client hoped the person who was the subject of the RO would approach the house (drive by, park outside, etc.) so they could have them arrested and thrown in jail. The people who chose to do this weren't in the majority, but they were most certainly not a tiny minority. I would not be surprised if KH (on LE's advice or not) left the address in to see what kind of reaction it would provoke in TH.
 
And this isn't directed to the quote above, but as someone who has considered the information about the case rather carefully, I sometimes resent the implication that those who think TH was involved is on a "witch hunt". I realize why Houze is using the term (he's trying to defend his client and create reasonable doubt if needed)...but IMO the reasoning I've seen from many who think TH is involved is far from reactionary and usually based on some thought and consideration of events.

SBM

WebSleuths is the most civilised forum I have come across discussing this case. I applaud the moderators every time I log on, I greatly appreciate their efforts in keeping it civilised and respectful.

But even on WebSleuths, I have read posts that suggest that TMH should be deprived of her constitutional rights, should be subjected to torture by LE or assaulted by members of her former family. I'm not saying you, personally, have made such posts but they do exist.

In other fora, I have seen posts that note her address and suggest things like a group of people should gather at that address to "deal" with her. The tone of those posts does not suggest to me that they are advocating in a peaceful demonstration limited to public property.

Frankly, I find it rather scary (and I'm someone who is almost convinced she is guilty). While Mr Houze's use of the term "witch hunt" may just be hyperbole, I think there is more than a grain of truth to it.

I find myself hoping that TMH has and always wears a bullet proof vest under her clothing. They are expensive but way cheaper than a gunshot wound.
 
On the other hand why doesn't Kaine just wait until Monday? He has been gone all these weeks. Another few days isn't that big of a deal. I do hope she doesn't clean him out. As far as I know she doesn't have another place to go to. All she needs are her clothes and personal affects.

Maybe he has to move out of where he is currently staying so wants his house back? Or mybe he just wants to be near Kyron things?
 
FWIW Portland is a very laid back town. I doubt he looked out of place in his attire.

Okay, now I officially feel REALLY OLD!

I'm old enough that I remember a time when my mama did not go out without her white gloves. She had boxes of them, cotton for summer and kid leather for winter.

I kinda miss white gloves. <<sigh>>

I do not miss, however, the ferocious rubber girdle that was also required wear. It totally boggles me that girdles are coming back!

Seriously, do people really show up for court in Portland in Tshirts and shorts? At least, for scheduled hearings and such?
 
Yes... it is, IMO. She is still the baby's mother, and would know things the baby might need or want which the daddy might not be aware of. Favorite toys, blankets, her hairbrush, stuffed animal she sleeps with every night, medication in case she gets an earache or cutting a tooth.. lots of things. It just shows that she cares and is concerned for her baby's needs as well as her husband's.
Not to mention that a child that young cannot understand why she can't see her mommy, and it is probably breaking Terri's heart in a million pieces, knowing that. I feel sorry for the child, I really do.
No disrespect to you, we can agree to disagree.

I am confused what you mean exactly. Those things would already be in the house. She simply needs to leave those things there. Its obvious that she would want those things. All she needs to be taking are her own things and not the babies at all. Or Kaines or Kyrons items.

And i thought Terri has said shes not contesting the order that she cant see her daughter If it is breaking her heart in a million pieces surely she would be fighting the order. IMO if anyones heart is in a million pieces its Kaines Desiree and Tonys. They at least have a heart which IMO Terri doesnt.

JMO
 
I was thinking that maybe the hearing was called without much notice to participants and K had to drop what he was doing and rush to the courthouse.
 
Maybe he has to move out of where he is currently staying so wants his house back? Or mybe he just wants to be near Kyron things?

I know I would want to be by my childs things and it's probably easier with the baby.
Also, what if someone does let Kyron go. Where is the first place he would go? HOME!!! I know I'd want to be home if that is the last place my missing child knew where I was.
 
Okay, now I officially feel REALLY OLD!

I'm old enough that I remember a time when my mama did not go out without her white gloves. She had boxes of them, cotton for summer and kid leather for winter.

I kinda miss white gloves. <<sigh>>

I do not miss, however, the ferocious rubber girdle that was also required wear. It totally boggles me that girdles are coming back!

Seriously, do people really show up for court in Portland in Tshirts and shorts? At least, for scheduled hearings and such?

Grainne..now that's what I"m talking about!
 
It is a lawyer's job to get sympathy for a client when it's necessary to do so,goodness that's why Lindsey Lohan just went in rehab,because she had to go to jail Monday.I'm sure the term "witchhunt" came from comments I've read on oregonlive and some other media articles.She's just coined the phrase because it sounded good. :)
 
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The attire, some of the allegations made in the filings, etc, make me wonder if Ms Rackner has adequate control of her client (KH).

Ms Rackners client has a young son missing and possible threats to kill him. His wife is believed to be possibly be behind both things. Looking at her client he doesnt seem far from a nervous breakdown. In the scheme of it whether he wears Jeans or trousers certainly isnt a big deal.

JMO
 
SBM

WebSleuths is the most civilised forum I have come across discussing this case. I applaud the moderators every time I log on, I greatly appreciate their efforts in keeping it civilised and respectful.

But even on WebSleuths, I have read posts that suggest that TMH should be deprived of her constitutional rights, should be subjected to torture by LE or assaulted by members of her former family. I'm not saying you, personally, have made such posts but they do exist.

In other fora, I have seen posts that note her address and suggest things like a group of people should gather at that address to "deal" with her. The tone of those posts does not suggest to me that they are advocating in a peaceful demonstration limited to public property.

Frankly, I find it rather scary (and I'm someone who is almost convinced she is guilty). While Mr Houze's use of the term "witch hunt" may just be hyperbole, I think there is more than a grain of truth to it.

I find myself hoping that TMH has and always wears a bullet proof vest under her clothing. They are expensive but way cheaper than a gunshot wound.

I find some of the stuff out there against Terri downright terrifying, not only for Terri, but as a view of our society or a portion of it. It reminds of what we now think of as uncivilized times when it was a sporting event to witness an execution...less than 100 years ago, in some otherwise "civilized" places. The degree of venom is astonishing, considering this woman has not been charged with a crime. I loathe the lynch mob mentality and really wonder how an impartial jury can be convened anywhere, if she is indeed charged. (Just as I do not think Casey Anthony has any chance of an impartial jury). And some people seem to think this is okay too, that she does not deserve one.

And yes, I have seen some of that venom here on WS.
 
This comment is directed at no ones post and no one specifically. It is just a statement made in general...

IMO the fact of TMH NOT being "officially" called a SUSPECT or a POI is COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT ...

I think most ppl these days with any sense for our LE depts, if even from just being an avid news watcher, reader, etc and especially ppl that sleuth these cases on the internet or elsewhere KNOW that this fact means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING(atleast nothing in her favor) because of the type of media that we have these days (around the clock 24/7 developments at all hours of the night and wee hours of the morning and NONSTOP coverage of many nationwide cases) its because of this that LE chooses not to "publicly" label those involved in cases such as this and many other cases here at WS. Its a known fact that the majority of the time it does more harm than good to a case to name "publicly"(and I say Publicly and Officially name them because just how several former LE investigators, detectives, agts have already stated about this case that LE "behind closed doors" very much have TMH labeled as not only a SUSPECT BUT THEIR #1 SUSPECT)...

As I said this is just a comment in general and is of course my opinion only, but when I see TMH NOT being named a suspect or POI mentioned it just repeatedly reminds me that nothing could be farther from the truth... MOO ... MOO


MOO..MOO
 
Since she has not been arrested and isn't under any court ordered restrictions (that I am aware of), she needs to get the H E double hockey sticks out of there. Go to mom & dad where you are close to your son or to your new BF's house. The point I am trying to make here is that if she is an unselfish parent, she would allow her daughter to be in the best place possible for her daughter! That baby girl has already had one brother move out and no longer sees him on a daily basis AND has not had her other brother (Kyron) since the day he disappeared! If it were me and I was innocent, I'd still get the heck out just to provide some familiarity to my baby girl. Gheeez. You do what is best for the children NOT the parents.
And if I were Kaine, there is no way on earth I would drink water from their well (if they have one) or trust that the home is safe. Sorry, but too many things are "odd" in this situation. And even if Kyron would have miraculously walked up that driveway and into that house after Kaine and the little one left, why on earth should he NOT have his daddy and baby sister there? Good grief. What a disaster this is. I am so sad for Kyron, Baby K, Older stepbrother, and all responsible, loving adults in this situation.
 
I wonder why the judge didn't rule today? Think maybe he/she wants Terri present tomorrow?
 
SBM

WebSleuths is the most civilised forum I have come across discussing this case. I applaud the moderators every time I log on, I greatly appreciate their efforts in keeping it civilised and respectful.

But even on WebSleuths, I have read posts that suggest that TMH should be deprived of her constitutional rights, should be subjected to torture by LE or assaulted by members of her former family. I'm not saying you, personally, have made such posts but they do exist.

In other fora, I have seen posts that note her address and suggest things like a group of people should gather at that address to "deal" with her. The tone of those posts does not suggest to me that they are advocating in a peaceful demonstration limited to public property.

Frankly, I find it rather scary (and I'm someone who is almost convinced she is guilty). While Mr Houze's use of the term "witch hunt" may just be hyperbole, I think there is more than a grain of truth to it.

I find myself hoping that TMH has and always wears a bullet proof vest under her clothing. They are expensive but way cheaper than a gunshot wound.
Oh, I agree that there have been some over the top (to put it mildly) posts all over the internet about TH. I find some comments scary. I find most comments rational, those that are 'pro', 'fence' and 'anti' however. I really bristle when the term 'witch hunt' is thrown about, especially when the majority on all sides are basing their opinions on critical thought. The rabid opinions of the minority, however irrational and even scary, should not taint the fact that the majority have deliberated in good faith when forming their opinions, IMO IMO IMO. The term 'witch hunt' is used to paint an opinion as being vindictive, irrational, illogical, emotional, etc. I've seen that in some comments on the Web, but not in the majority, not by a long shot.

That said, yes, I've seen scary things posted about TH, and if the majority opinion were along those lines, I'd be horrified. I have to say, I've seen the same things posted about KH and DY...not quite as many as against TH, but certainly enough to make me scared for Kyron's parents. I would not categorize KH and DY as the subjects of a 'witch hunt' however.

Edited to add: I once thought Scott Peterson was the victim of a 'witch hunt'. Early on, when IMO everyone on earth was jumping all over his claim to have gone fishing on Christmas Eve (which in my experience was expected by the men in the house, even if their wives were in active labor, lol...fishing was a way of life in my childhood). There were many across the internet with immediate and vehement opinions about him...the avalanche of negativity given the lack of evidence alarmed me. I see similarities with this case...though I don't see the same level immediate, vehement, 'gut' level "he did it" opinions by the majority...many people gave TH the benefit of the doubt, IMO.
 
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