2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[eyes4crime]

"It is one of the upmost concerns of my client that her daughter be in a safe, well-cared for circumstance," Houze said.

"I suggest 96 hours, Monday afternoon."
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It could be that Terri has the best interest of baby girl in mind. Could be she wants baby girl in a safe and familiar environment with toys, blankets, and bed. I do believe she loves her little baby girl and considers her safety to be of the utmost importance. Probably why no objection. This doesn't surprise me one bit. moo mho

 

[Jaxson]

Respectfully, the plural of anecdote is not data...i.e., just because any of us did something a certain way, it doesn't mean everyone does. I worked for a law firm...many years ago, and I freely admit that I am not an attorney...but there are times addresses are put in ROs. Often it is strategic...the client hoped the person who was the subject of the RO would approach the house (drive by, park outside, etc.) so they could have them arrested and thrown in jail. The people who chose to do this weren't in the majority, but they were most certainly not a tiny minority. I would not be surprised if KH (on LE's advice or not) left the address in to see what kind of reaction it would provoke in TH.

You are correct Rosie. Anecdote does not = data. I am not an attorney nor did I hire one. I filed my own and I didn't play strategy games. I did not want the man who put a gun to my head to find me. I guess I just didn't think that maybe Kaine really isn't afraid of her.
I had a friend who died because someone didn't care about his restraining order and showed up at a restaurant and killed her in front of me. If he had known where she lived there might not have been any witnesses to this rather unstable, psychotic, narcissistic person's behavior and he might not have been apprehended with in sort order. Of course in Kaines case Terri wouldn't have gotten away with it as she already had been accused of MFH.

 

[Adalena935]

Anyone can google Richard Jewel libel case and it's why law enforcement doesn't label anyone a suspect prematurely. They can't afford it. It's about money in my opinion. People still think what they chose when reading news though. And I'm sure investigators use their minds as well.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I think it is nonsense this judge is ruling on who gets the house at this point in time.

This should be decided after the restraining order hearing. There might be no evidence at all of anything and Kaine might not get the restraining order or custody of the child.

The judge is wrong to rule on this tomorrow.

 

[ladonna]

Did I hear correctly that Kaine is asking Terri for child support? Doe he receive child support from Desiree?

 

[DairyGirl]

I think it is nonsense this judge is ruling on who gets the house at this point in time.

This should be decided after the restraining order hearing. There might be no evidence at all of anything and Kaine might not get the restraining order or custody of the child.

The judge is wrong to rule on this tomorrow.

TH and her attorney are not contesting the RO. The hearing in Sept. is about the contempt of court charge. The RO stands.

 

[redkatrampant]

SBM

WebSleuths is the most civilised forum I have come across discussing this case. I applaud the moderators every time I log on, I greatly appreciate their efforts in keeping it civilised and respectful.

But even on WebSleuths, I have read posts that suggest that TMH should be deprived of her constitutional rights, should be subjected to torture by LE or assaulted by members of her former family. I'm not saying you, personally, have made such posts but they do exist.


Frankly, I find it rather scary (and I'm someone who is almost convinced she is guilty).

While I agree with you to a certain extent , does there not come a point when you have to say "Hey this woman is not helping. What about Kyron's rights?" I do not think she should be assaulted or tortured. I do agree with putting pressure on her.

Okay, now I officially feel REALLY OLD!

I'm old enough that I remember a time when my mama did not go out without her white gloves. She had boxes of them, cotton for summer and kid leather for winter.

I kinda miss white gloves. <<sigh>>

I do not miss, however, the ferocious rubber girdle that was also required wear. It totally boggles me that girdles are coming back!

Seriously, do people really show up for court in Portland in Tshirts and shorts? At least, for scheduled hearings and such?

I sooooooooo hear you. Where I live , true Southern Girls still do not wear white after Labor Day and then not til Easter. And Easter means a whole new Church outfit from Hat to Shoes.

PS I am not picking on you, your posts just stuck out to me. I am trying to catch up.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

TH and her attorney are not contesting the RO. The hearing in Sept. is about the contempt of court charge. The RO stands.

Ok Thank You, I did not know that.

Nevermind...........LOL LOL

 

[For The Kids]

"It is one of the upmost concerns of my client that her daughter be in a safe, well-cared for circumstance," Houze said.

"I suggest 96 hours, Monday afternoon."
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i....html#comments

It could be that Terri has the best interest of baby girl in mind. Could be she wants baby girl in a safe and familiar environment with toys, blankets, and bed. I do believe she loves her little baby girl and considers her safety to be of the utmost importance. Probably why no objection. This doesn't surprise me one bit. moo mho

What a shame she couldnt have had Kyrons best interests in mind ( if guilty ofc) :furious:

I seriously think for Terri to be talking of safe and well cared for circumstances is a joke considering the circumstances of Kaine and Kyron.

JMO

 

[eyes4crime]

I think it is nonsense this judge is ruling on who gets the house at this point in time.

This should be decided after the restraining order hearing. There might be no evidence at all of anything and Kaine might not get the restraining order or custody of the child.

The judge is wrong to rule on this tomorrow.

Dr. Fess, I don't think the ruling is in regards to ownership of the home. Kaine wants to move back in with baby K and Terri is not contesting the request. Seems she is well aware that the witch hunts and death threats could put her baby in harms way. She is moving out to allow Kaine and baby to move back in. moo mho

 

[cluciano63]

I think Kaine is just trying to control the aspects of his life he can control and perhaps moving home is one of them. Personally I would not want to be there with the media encamped for the forseeable future. The baby will be exposed to photographers every time they leave the house.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

And if I were Kaine, there is no way on earth I would drink water from their well (if they have one) or trust that the home is safe. Sorry, but too many things are "odd" in this situation.

I hope LE sends a team to check the house before KH moves back in. I don't expect it to have anything dangerous in it because that would definitely implicate TH since she has been living there without him and the baby is too young to blame. But better safe than sorry.

I would toss all the food and hire a maid service to thoroughly clean the place before I moved back in.

 

[SmoothOperator]

"It is one of the upmost concerns of my client that her daughter be in a safe, well-cared for circumstance," Houze said.

"I suggest 96 hours, Monday afternoon."
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/i....html#comments

It could be that Terri has the best interest of baby girl in mind. Could be she wants baby girl in a safe and familiar environment with toys, blankets, and bed. I do believe she loves her little baby girl and considers her safety to be of the utmost importance. Probably why no objection. This doesn't surprise me one bit. moo mho

i VERY respectfully disagree, Am not just trying to be confrontational or difficult in any way but, I just do not see baby K being on TMH's top priority list, I don't even see her being in the top3 of her priority list..

This opinion based on the fact of her striking up a sexual in nature(will not say sex relationship bcause that is NOT known) but DEFINITELY sexual in nature with her sending "HUNDREDS" of sexually explicit pics of herself in the multiple stages of undress, along with her engaging in sexually explicit behavior in certain pix or multimedia video send via her cell phone to baby K's FATHER's highschool buddy. Along with sharing contemptable items from a sealed restraining order concerning her daughter with this same ex friend of baby K's father...(And that is not even mentioning the inappropriateness that she chose to do this while her stepson is more than likely NOT alive, and still not found and her daughter has been taken FULLY away from her without so much as even SUPERVISED visitation, that alone says the courts opinion is that TMH does NOT HAVE her daughters interest even in mind at all)

Because of these things SPECIFICALLY and the obvious fact that TMH chose NOT to "fully cooperate" and lie or be deceptive on 2 LDTs and walk out on 1. She didn't do this in baby K's best interest bcause baby K's best interest is to have her big brother home..

Lastly if she had her daughters best interest she would not have been inquiring with such as a landscaper to murder baby K's father...

IMO baby K is pretty low on TMH's list of priorities.

MOO..MOO

 

[RoughlyCollie]

The baby will be exposed to photographers every time they leave the house.

Can the door and upper driveway be seen from the street? I suppose KH will be driving the white truck. Are the windows tinted? I know in my SUV, which is an actual truck, all the windows except in the driver's section (front seat) are tinted so no one can see inside.

 

[rosiebean]

You are correct Rosie. Anecdote does not = data. I am not an attorney nor did I hire one. I filed my own and I didn't play strategy games. I did not want the man who put a gun to my head to find me. I guess I just didn't think that maybe Kaine really isn't afraid of her.
I had a friend who died because someone didn't care about his restraining order and showed up at a restaurant and killed her in front of me. If he had known where she lived there might not have been any witnesses to this rather unstable, psychotic, narcissistic person's behavior and he might not have been apprehended with in sort order. Of course in Kaines case Terri wouldn't have gotten away with it as she already had been accused of MFH.

I am very sorry about your friend, and for what you witnessed and endured. The clients in my firm who chose to publish their address didn't want to be harmed either...far from it. They made decisions based on many factors with their ultimate goal being to stay alive...and I resent any implication that someone who puts their address in an RO isn't 'really afraid'. One client did so because he knew he would only be truly safe if his ex were in jail...and the quickest way to put the ex in jail was to have them violate the RO.

KH might not be 'really afraid' of TH...but keep in mind that he truly believes that she is responsible for Kyron's disappearance. And keep in mind that in KH's case, he knows that LE is keeping track of every move that TH makes. I doubt that he really needs an RO (police presence in TH's life makes it very hard for her to do anything to him, IMO)...it's more likely a tactic to put pressure on TH. He wants to find Kyron, and he thinks that this kind of pressure on the person he thinks is responsible will help...despite any danger giving out his address puts on him, I'm guessing that he thinks it's worth it if it ultimately helps him find out where Kyron is.

 

[cluciano63]

I don't know if windows are tinted...but if she is in her car seat, I am sure some photographers will try to snap photos as they pull out onto the road...it just seems that the atmosphere would not be conducive to any kind of a restful, homey one, with the stress of having the media there every time you want to leave your home.

 

[evelyn24]

LOL@ witchhunt. I've seen just as many slanderous, and rude comments about Kaine online.
Whatever. Houze is a lawyer, doing what lawyers do.

 

[WholeLottaRosie]

Oh goodness, I didn't take it as snarky at all. I'd wondered if maybe his attorney told him it was ok for the reason you mentioned. I'm just still traumatized by my own court experience lol (although I was dressed appropriately)

If Terri had or does shows up in shorts and a tee shirt, I am sure we will all hear about how that just shows what kind of person she is. My, it is really amazing what people will wear to court these days.

 

[froginTtown]

I was so happy the other day to finally hear a family member make a plea for Kyron's sake... I hope that we hear more of them.. to repeat:
PLEASE LET KYRON GO..!! LET HIM OFF AT A PAY PHONE AND TELL HIM TO CALL 911 AND TO TELL THEM WHO YOU ARE....!!!
RAYING:

LET'S NOT LOSE SITE OF WHY WE ARE HERE................

 

[eyes4crime]

i VERY respectfully disagree, Am not just trying to be confrontational or difficult in any way but, I just do not see baby K being on TMH's top priority list, I don't even see her being in the top3 of her priority list..

This opinion based on the fact of her striking up a sexual in nature(will not say sex relationship bcause that is NOT known) but DEFINITELY sexual in nature with her sending "HUNDREDS" of sexually explicit pics of herself in the multiple stages of undress, along with her engaging in sexually explicit behavior in certain pix or multimedia video send via her cell phone to baby K's FATHER's highschool buddy. Along with sharing contemptable items from a sealed restraining order concerning her daughter with this same ex friend of baby K's father...

Because of these things SPECIFICALLY and the obvious fact that TMH chose NOT to "fully cooperate" and lie or be deceptive on 2 LDTs and walk out on 1. She didn't do this in baby K's best interest bcause baby K's best interest is to have her big brother home..

Lastly if she had her daughters best interest she would not have been inquiring with such as a landscaper to murder baby K's father...

IMO baby K is pretty low on TMH's list of priorities.

MOO..MOO

I also thought it was HUNDREDS of pics of dressing and undressing until another member corrected me. It was a few pics of undressing and hundreds of texts.

I was alarmed at the thought of Terri undressing and dressing 10 times a day and taking pics of herself, sending them off via her cell phone. For the first time, I thought she had shown her underlying mental health issues - I was wrong. Two pics, I can't get upset about. Poor judgment, sure is...but she is alone, with nothing to do and with strict instructions to NOT talk to the media. Thank goodness.

Another thing, we don't know if the RO pics were taken with her permission and we don't know how serious she was in the MFH plot, for all we know it was a fleeting wish or a joke moo mho