2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[Breathe]

That is exactly what my husbands ex did to him. The judge finally told her and her attorney to knock it off and she (female judge)did make her attorney adjust his bill by a LOT! It was still huge. The judge also ended up suspended without pay and transferred to juvenile court when her suspension was up.

Definitely not the best system but it's what we have.

OT:

That flippin' stinks big time. Sounds like there was a lot more going on behind the scenes. Bless your husband for taking the high road (whether he wanted to or not) by continuing to pay that debt. Glad he has you now.

(As far as his ex goes, I'm a firm believer in karma and trust me sista - you can't run from it. It always has a way of finding you.)

 

[Steely Dan]

That is exactly what my husbands ex did to him. The judge finally told her and her attorney to knock it off and she (female judge)did make her attorney adjust his bill by a LOT! It was still huge. The judge also ended up suspended without pay and transferred to juvenile court when her suspension was up.

Definitely not the best system but it's what we have.

Why was the judge suspended?

 

[Jaxson]

Why was the judge suspended?

They have a certain amount of time in which to handle cases. She is required to sign a document stating that she has no outstanding cases in order to receive her pay check. She was signing those statements even though she did have outstanding cases (not just my husbands but that was one of them) Even in a protracted divorce the parties have to be seen in court by the judge for review at least every ___ days (I can't remember for sure if it is 30, 60, or 90 really). She kept allowing motions to be continued (we wanted it done, ex didn't) and silly contempt charges ((brought by the ex) that kept getting dismissed (except for the one we brought over refusal of court ordered visitation).

It made me very happy that my ex and I had nothing and he didn't care about the kids and I didn't care about child support. We often say our ex's should get together.

 

[Jaxson]

OT:

That flippin' stinks big time. Sounds like there was a lot more going on behind the scenes. Bless your husband for taking the high road (whether he wanted to or not) by continuing to pay that debt. Glad he has you now.

(As far as his ex goes, I'm a firm believer in karma and trust me sista - you can't run from it. It always has a way of finding you.)

OT bbm me too and I think she is living it. She lost the house to foreclosure and we are living happily ever after.....

 

[DairyGirl]

There should be a law that when a person is probably the cause of your son's disappearance and that person doesn't lift a finger to help find him and probably tried to have you killed, that you should never have to pay another cent for them.

 

[wondering1]

But couldn't the non-working spouse financially ruin their ex by contesting every issue and draging out the divorce? And the court would still make the ex pay for endless attorney hours and filings? Isn't that more like pocketbook revenge than justice?

That happens regularly...did I mention that I think no-fault divorce is one of the WORST ideas ever?

kind of OT, but here's my rant about how it goes in my neck of the woods:

Goldigger with staggering debt, implants, botox, etc. hunts sugardaddy.

GD marries sugardaddy and immediately quits job, if she has one, ostensibly to be a perfect sahm (usually to the children from her prior *marriage*)

GD convinces SD to buy mcmansion or better (the old mcmansion is never quite good enough), spits out a kid to ensure child support for next 20 years or so, hires ft nanny to care for said meal ticket -- all while spending money like water -- shopping, over-the-top vacations, expensive club memberships, plastic surgery (or, typically, more plastic surgery), entertaining, salon...blah, blah, blah. Oh, and btw, they LIVE at the school...too much time on their hands. jmoo

Cocktail hour starts daily about 3 pm (hey, it's 5 o'clock somewhere, right?). and is usually accompanied by an addiction to some form of prescription drug -- xanax and vicodin are very popular. The *relationship* starts to deteriorate. GD is bored and lonely and hubby doesn't fully appreciate all of her adorable little quirks, like driving him into bankruptcy, passing out wasted every day, sleeping with his bff, or her plastic surgeon, or her cosmetic dentist, or her bff's hubby, or all of them.

Hubby wants to file for divorce (and maybe actually does), but GD begs and pleads and swears to change and he holds off (or withdraws the complaint) just long enough for her to pass the long-term marriage mark, ensure that she's thoroughly unemployable in the short-term and follow through on the advice of her lawyer/GD posse to make sure that she's maximized every possible interest she has in marital assets, including maxing out all the credit cards she can apply for, mortgaging the house to the hilt and spending every penny.

Then SHE files for divorce and, viola, set for life -- house, alimony, child-support and half the crap or more that she bought with hubby's money and his, now staggering, debt. Of course she's not responsible for that debt, b/c she has no income, is unemployable, and could never pay it back in a million years. I swear, it's like a cottage industry around here. It's sickening. I am not joking, woman in my *area* do this ON PURPOSE because the system is so inherently unfair to the breadwinner. The no-fault law, imo, is not nearly tailored enough to protect those it was intended to protect.

Fries my socks.

 

[Jaxson]

That happens regularly...did I mention that I think no-fault divorce is one of the WORST ideas ever?

kind of OT, but here's my rant about how it goes in my neck of the woods:

Goldigger with staggering debt, implants, botox, etc. hunts sugardaddy.

GD marries sugardaddy and immediately quits job, if she has one, ostensibly to be a perfect sahm (usually to the children from her prior *marriage*)

GD convinces SD to buy mcmansion or better (the old mcmansion is never quite good enough), spits out a kid to ensure child support for next 20 years or so, hires ft nanny to care for said meal ticket -- all while spending money like water -- shopping, over-the-top vacations, expensive club memberships, plastic surgery (or, typically, more plastic surgery), entertaining, salon...blah, blah, blah. Oh, and btw, they LIVE at the school...too much time on their hands. jmoo

Cocktail hour starts daily about 3 pm (hey, it's 5 o'clock somewhere, right?). and is usually accompanied by an addiction to some form of prescription drug -- xanax and vicodin are very popular. The *relationship* starts to deteriorate. GD is bored and lonely and hubby doesn't fully appreciate all of her adorable little quirks, like driving him into bankruptcy, passing out wasted every day, sleeping with his bff, or her plastic surgeon, or her cosmetic dentist, or her bff's hubby, or all of them.

Hubby wants to file for divorce (and maybe actually does), but GD begs and pleads and swears to change and he holds off (or withdraws the complaint) just long enough for her to pass the long-term marriage mark, ensure that she's thoroughly unemployable in the short-term and follow through on the advice of her lawyer/GD posse to make sure that she's maximized every possible interest she has in marital assets, including maxing out all the credit cards she can apply for, mortgaging the house to the hilt and spending every penny.

Then SHE files for divorce and, viola, set for life -- house, alimony, child-support and half the crap or more that she bought with hubby's money and his, now staggering, debt. Of course she's not responsible for that debt, b/c she has no income, is unemployable, and could never pay it back in a million years. I swear, it's like a cottage industry around here. It's sickening. I am not joking, woman in my *area* do this ON PURPOSE because the system is so inherently unfair to the breadwinner. The no-fault law, imo, is not nearly tailored enough to protect those it was intended to protect.

Fries my socks.

Wow are you in California or Nantucket?

 

[wondering1]

Wow are you in California or Nantucket?

haha, neither, but close. Many of the *families* here are OC transplants, and its definitely the Cali mentality

 

[Melanie]

My question is, if she's claiming she paid far less, then why not reveal where she got it from? Is she embarrassed that she raised so little for her lawyer? Or does she not want KH to know that she's got a cash cow in the wings? I'm just a little disturbed by the "I'm poor, but I won't show you where my pennies came from" tack that is being taken here. She should quit hiding everything if she really has nothing to lose but face. Sheesh.

Spot on! She can't possibly claim to be indigent while paying at least 100K to an attorney (IMO, I think the amount of 350K is hugely exaggerated). After all, didn't CA pay JB like 5K to get the ball rolling. Of course the state of Florida will pick up the rest.

I believe when hearings begin (if any) the truth will come out. The judge will make them disclose how much has been paid and who it was paid to, and where the resources came from -- That's if they proceed with asking the State for assistance.

And, why not, get a public defender if she has no money? If she borrowed the money, she most certainly will have to pay that back somehow. Perhaps she's relying on movie/book deals -- who knows. If she's cleared/or never tried, she could probably make a book deal (though I would never buy it).

This is a tough circumstantial case thus far. Unless they find Kyron, it looks like she could walk away (unfortunately). Just like SP -- he was only arrested after the bodies of Laci and Connor were found.

We may be waiting quite a while unless someone comes forward.

All the best,

Mel

 

[Breathe]

Wondering1 - that is soooo wrong on so many levels. It's sad what we do to one another - especially ones we claimed we loved. For some reason, the line between love and hate is very short for some people. I wonder if Terri felt ignored in her marriage and that's how it snowballed into this.

 

[Wrinkles]

Sorry for the OT, but I missed this. Did TH refuse to undergo a psych evaluation?
A profile could be done without her. ...or maybe I've just been watching too much criminal minds- lol.

Actually, it appears in a recent document (p. 2 & 3) from Bunch, TH's divorce attorney, that he feels it would not be good, fair, x word, etc. I'm not sure of his choice of words, for his client to undergo a psych eval at this time. You can actually read how he worded and explained this in the document -- it is the divorce abatement document. Part of his thinking seemed to be that a Pysch doc might have their eval tainted (due to outside influences, they should be free from these -- IMO ummm maybe they should live in a vacuum) OR be uncomfortable doing an eval due to the present news about Terri (the eval could become part of criminal investigation) -- well, now...why might that be? A good Pysch doc can't work their way around that? Oh but if they did and put their thoughts down, well OH this might not be good for Terri.

Thanks for bringing this up... I found it quite interesting that Bunch didn't think his client should have to go through anything that I think any other human being might have to go through under the same circumstances. He did mention his client Terri was unemployable -- hmmm, she can't get a job doing honest work like yard work or housecleaning, she can't establish and work an online business? We know she knows how to diddle with graphics and get them sent. Terri is special.

 

[wondering1]

Wondering1 - that is soooo wrong on so many levels. It's sad what we do to one another - especially ones we claimed we loved. For some reason, the line between love and hate is very short for some people. I wonder if Terri felt ignored in her marriage and that's how it snowballed into this.

It is, isn't it? It's like these people have no conscience whatsoever. It can be done, so it *is* done. It really destroys my faith in humanity. I've never seen anything like it and, before I moved here, did not ever experience it and would not have believed it to be true.

 

[Melanie]

Wow are you in California or Nantucket?

Sounds spot on for California, especially Orange County. Ever see the Housewives of the OC. Good Lord, there are actually folks out there who do everything posted. Like Gretchen who attached herself to the terminally ill older gentleman and had everything she ever wanted. Of course, the poor guy keeled over and she received a LOT of money. Karma now has a low life sponging off her right now.

Sorry to get OT, but I see it all the time. My sister stayed with her 2nd husband just long enough to get 1/2 his retirement and a new home. Let me tell ya, the grass isn't greener. Current hubby doesn't even have a job.

So I see no good coming out of this kind of behaviour. I hope TH doesn't get away with it either.

Do we know how long they were married. I think it's 10 years in CA to get alimony, but child support is a date of birth kinda thing.

Anyway, my vote is for KH on this one.

MOO

Mel

 

[sorrell skye]

There should be a law that when a person is probably the cause of your son's disappearance and that person doesn't lift a finger to help find him and probably tried to have you killed, that you should never have to pay another cent for them.

bbm

I would personally be more inclined to campaign & vote for Senators & Representatives that uphold the U.S. Constitution and the Bill of Rights, and who amend a state's penal or civil code based on the U.S. Constitution and Bill of Rights, rather than those who would seek to craft state penal or civil codes based on something as subjective as "probably".

MOO

 

[ThoughtFox]

I think that's a weak rationale. The court should believe any evaluator it has enough confidence in to employ should be able to do his or her job in an unbiased way, unaffected by whatever is prevalent in the media.

But it's not the court saying that she shouldn't be evaluated, but Terri and her attorney. It has nothing to do with the bias or non-bias of the evaluator - the defense just doesn't want her to undergo any kind of examination.

And, why not, get a public defender if she has no money? If she borrowed the money, she most certainly will have to pay that back somehow.

My daughter just spent the summer working for legal aid where we live (Tennessee), and the way it works, TH probably wouldn't qualify until after her divorce because right now she still shares assets with Kaine. She would have to find an attorney at legal aid willing to take on such a complicated case pro-bono, and that's not as easy as you might think. Most legal aid cases where I live are rental complaints, simple divorces, and property disputes. I'm not even sure they take criminal cases.

 

[sorrell skye]

He did mention his client Terri was unemployable -- hmmm, she can't get a job doing honest work like yard work or housecleaning, she can't establish and work an online business? We know she knows how to diddle with graphics and get them sent. Terri is special.

respectfully sbm

When her attorney commented on his client's possible difficulty in securing employment, he was, IMO, referring to her ability to gain a teaching job, since that is her profession. Due to the ongoing investigation, it's not unreasonable to anticipate that she will not be able to secure a teaching position until/or unless she has been cleared of any allegations or suspicions.

Educated people have the expectation to be employed within their field of expertise. I think this is what her attorney was referring to, in terms of employment.

 

[Calliope]

Given how she's already been convicted online and in the media, I don't find it surprising in the least that she's considered "unemployable". I don't see too many employers willing to take a chance on hiring a possible kidnapper / murderer.

 

[SmoothOperator]

BBM. Perhaps her attorney has evidence that proves she has done nothing wrong? I don't know. If not, it's hard to imagine that he would support her in making such a request as that Kaine pay for the divorce.

Above BBM. I respectfully disagree. I'd say rather that it is quite common for one or both attys for each spouse to file such requests as to have the other party involved pay for the attys bill of the soon to be ex spouse..

And especially in recent yrs(say the last 7-10 yrs) to my knowledge in most cases the judge just rules for each party to pay their own atty fees and divorce costs.. Tho, in 'certain' situations I have seen the judge rule to have onE party pay for both spouses legal fees...

But IMO it wouldn't be granted for a case such as Kaine and Terri's...

Tho, who knows completely at the judges discretion, guess will just have to wait and see...

 

[SmoothOperator]

Let me say this very nicely so I don't get banned. I'm sure Teri is very confident where she disposed of kyron that he will never be found so she doesn't have to worry about going to trial with NO body. When the divorce is over, which will be paid for by kaine since he made sure she was unemployable {snark}. Teri will be free to live her life and I'm sure with lots of media money from book and movie deals. She will be carefree, able to travel and not work from her big pay day. Hurray for Teri..the good life.

Kaine on the other hand will be a broken man riddled with guilt and pain from the loss of his son, always looking over his shoulder for some sniper trying to kill him. Teri has made kaine a broken man probably with little will to live, unable to see the pretty things in life...just wracked with grieve.

Teri needs to take the higher road and slink away and let Kaine heal. I cant comment anymore...I need to cool down and take deep breaths.

This is just so unjust for Kaine. it's all wrong. I have NO respect for Teri!!!

I agree 100%

 

[Kat]

He filed for a divorce, she wants him to pay for it....back and forth we will go.

Where is Kyron?

Peeves me to no end this baby has been missing this long. (sorry for the rant).