2010.06.28 - Kyron's Dad files for divorce and restraining order

[Emma Peel]

I don't know what Houze could use Kaine's brother's conviction on child molestation, or what value Desiree's restraining order more than 5 years ago, or what could be gleaned from Kaine's adulterous relationship with Terri almost 8 years ago to forward Terri's potential criminal case now.

how about: "the bad husband made her do it".

I have no doubt someone has private detectives all over Kaine's bidness. Whether they are working for LE, Houze, her divorce lawyer ... Should there be any more skeletons in Kaine's closet, they will be outed in time. JMHO

Who knows, the GJ may have already heard an earful from the friends.

I've said before that it takes 2 to Tango this badly. This was not a happy home. nuh uh. :cow:

 

[Sherbie]

Sherbie put up information showing what would be investigated, saying that Terri wouldn't want such scrutiny. The investigation would delve into both, Kaine and Terri's family history, character, etc I was wondering why Kaine's family history and character wouldn't be considered. I was told it would.

I agree with that. I guess in the investigative portions, just about anything could be asked or brought up by those interviewed and would end up in the report. As far as being used by the judge to make a decision, though, not sure how far back and what types of issues would be relevant.

I tend to think a judge would consider issues in the current marriage only unless there is some major incident or some sort of pattern of longstanding or repetitive behavior that would be detrimental to the children. And yeah, definitely what's good for the goose is good for the gander as far as what can be brought forward relating to each.

 

[Emeralgem]

The Exhibit A texts were sent on June 30 between 11:08 PM and 11:26 PM.

And that was two days after she received the divorce papers and the RO right?

 

[ami]

Respectfully edited. Kyron's best interests? Hmmm. Kaine wants to act in the best interests of both of his children? Does this mean that Kaine has information about Kyron's whereabouts and when the missing boy might return to the family domicile? Curiosity is gonna kill me one of these days

Yes, why wouldn't Kaine want the best for both Kyron and baby K? He's openly stated he believes Kyron is alive - that's certainly not a secret after all the press conferences. Although I haven't read anything specifically about this, my assumption is that when he says (attorney says, documents say) "children" he means Kyron and baby K - his two children.

 

[debs]

And that was two days after she received the divorce papers and the RO right?

Those exhibit A texts only show a discussion, redacted, regarding Terri's new attorney.

 

[wondering1]

I actually agree with most of what you said. The only thing I would disagree with you on is the issue of motives. I actually give Kaine more credit than you do. I don't think he is slinging the mud to get a better divorce settlement - if he is, it won't work because divorces are pretty much a mathematical exercise these days and courts don't care about the underlying relationship issues or who was the better person. I think he's slinging the mud to pressure her to talk in the Kyron case, which is a good and pure motive in my mind. I also think Terri is more concerned about the effect of the divorce proceeding on her prospects in the criminal case than vice versa. Either way, she is motivated solely by self-interest. So I give Kaine more credit on the motive front.

I do think that, however honorable his motive, Kaine is really abusing the court system by putting nasty allegations about Terri in these filings - even though they are clearly legally irrelevant to the issue addressed - and then releasing the motions to the press at the same time he submits them to the court.

Just to clarify, I don't think KH's motive is to get a better divorce settlement, either. When I said he wants her to cave to avoid testifying, etc. I meant that the avoiding was the goal, not the caving -- they just go hand in hand. I don't think he gives a rat's patootie about the divorce settlement right at this moment, either.

And I also agree that he is *abusing* the system in a sense. But people do that all day every day for far less laudable goals. So I am giving him a total pass on it in this instance. If the judge faults him for abusing the system I'm sure he'll let him know!

 

[eyes4crime]

Is sexting after your husband leaves the house and files for a divorce... illegal? Or is it considered to be a character flaw by those who investigate?

Are unproven allegations and hearsay, such as heavy drinking at parties or MFH allegations considered character flaws by those who investigate? TIA

Please, I'm not looking at how people judge the moral underpinnings of a person, I'm looking for legal criteria. TIA

 

[1Chump]

Kaine Horman's lawyer has filed court papers objecting to his estranged wife's request to delay divorce proceedings, saying it would be detrimental to the welfare of the involved children and violate his due process right to the administration of justice without delay.

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Rackner continued to urge the court to have Terri Horman identify the source of the money she's using to pay criminal defense lawyer Stephen Houze. Although Terri Horman's lawyer described in court papers the reported $350,000 Rackner cited in an earlier legal filing as "grossly overstated,'' Rackner in response has submitted a copy of a June 30 e-mail exchange between Terri Horman and Michael Cook in which Terri Horman reportedly cited that figure to Cook.

"Hey on a side note, the news channels all just announced you've got Stephen Houze! That's awesome (it's in the news so I figured I can text it),'' Cook reportedly texted to Terri Horman, according to Rackner's Exhibit A filed in court.

"Yep, guess how much he costs?" Terri wrote back.

"Zillions?" Cook asked.

"350K," Terri Horman replied later.

MORE: http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/kaine_hormans_lawyer_files_tex.html

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So Terri herself claims that it cost her $350K to retain Houze?

She may have said that is what Houze costs but she NEVER said that is what she paid. IMO, Huge difference.

 

[Emeralgem]

So how long is the waiting period between the time a tragic event happens and a person can have sex on the brain again?
I mean, I know people who use sex for comfort. Maybe not with the BFF of their spouse, but still... some do.
Ron C. got married and went on a honeymoon to NYC when Haleigh was missing a month.
Scott P. was playing around with Amber BEFORE Laci went missing.

And IMHO. Both names you mentioned are guilty..
And I don't know how long the waiting period is but TMH's daughter had just been taken from her and Kyron was missing...Under those horrific circumstances sexting with someone I just met would not be my priority..I wouldn't even entertain the thought...I would be out of my mind with grief..JMHO

 

[ami]

Let me say, first, that based on the information available in the mainstream media (about murder for hire, etc.), I have thought that TH is responsible for Kyron's disappearance.

That said, I am very troubled about how this divorce is playing out in public, with leaks like this one where anyone with a computer can read TH's email conversation--but only a redacted version. I don't like that at all; it feels like the public is being played by either KH, his attorney, or both, or that LE is using this divorce as a way to ratchet up the pressure on TH, as a variation on the "squeeze the Croslins" strategy in the disappearance of Haleigh Cummings.

Anyone could see why Kaine would be desperate to do anything to find out about his son. He also may be so angry that he wants to take any shot at TH he can. That doesn't mean I have to buy what he's selling, in the form that he's selling it. Who does benefit from the leak? There isn't a syllable here that has to do with Kyron.

As to the figure she quotes, the context here is so muddled it is hard to tell exactly what she means when she quotes that figure. It is also possible that both the person who asked the question and her attorney was not interpreting the comment as she meant it. It also might be that she thought she was talking to a friend who would sympathize with her financial situation, not someone who would cough up the text messages for public consumption. And what is the point of redacting parts of the emails unless that is information that contradicts the impression that KH and his team want us to have.

It may well be that TH is responsible for what happened to Kyron, but my opinion of this poor child's father is going downhill rapidly.

We don't have any idea who leaked the texts, if it was Kaine, if Kaine has an agenda or even any idea what's being leaked to the media, etc. We don't know if the texts were redacted because a) they were part of another conversation, or b) they were about a minor, or c) they are evidence and LE doesn't want us/media to know the stuff in them yet... etc etc. Only one potential explanation in a sea of explanations is that they wanted to twist the message to make it look like something it wasn't.

And yes of course Kyron's father is going downhill rapidly - his son has been kidnapped and potentially killed. I can't think of anything more likely to send someone "downhill rapidly" than that. Add to that the media who digs through people's trash, pays people to talk to them, has inside informants etc etc etc and at this point it seems like any number of people from a secretary in an atty's office to a low level LE to MC himself could be responsible for some of the leaks.

 

[wondering1]

And that was two days after she received the divorce papers and the RO right?

Why yes, yes it was. Sounds to me like TH had an inkling about why KH moved out and why LS showed up at her door on Sat. wanting money. I wonder if anyone told her, or if she just took a stab in the dark that she was being accused of a MFH plot.

 

[21merc7]

I'm just wondering why "zillions" didn't strike TH as odd. Sure it could be jokingly texted, but I just don't understand the text world anyway. Why wouldn't he be sincere and give a sincere response? Something like 25K?

 

[ami]

She may have said that is what Houze costs but she NEVER said that is what she paid. IMO, Huge difference.

Then I'm sure Houze and Terri will provide all the paperwork required to show proof of the non-maritalness of whatever assets she has spent (or will spend) and that will be the end of it. I wonder why they haven't done so yet and just put it to rest.

 

[pufnstuf]

I'm thinking about the excellence of Terri's crim defense attorney. Wouldn't Houze use the fact that Kaine's brother was recently convicted of a sex crime? How about the restraining order issued by Desiree to keep him from taking their children? Or the affair he was having when his wife was 8 months pregnant? Don't know if any of those would count, but I feel sure that Terri would add even more to the list if given a chance. And if they don't count - why not? TIAmoo mho

If that's the best defense that $350K (even if grossly overstated) will buy Terri, then she didn't lawyer shop long enough.

I can just see Kaine on the stand. "Did you have an affair while your first wife was pregnant?" "Yes, with your client."

Oh, I'm sure Terri would add to "the list," but I'm not sure at all that what she would add is the truth.

 

[citigirl]

I would like to know why this motion talks about "the children." Didn't the original RO keep Terry away from J? Why would Kaine have any say over Terri seeing J? Am I mixing this up in my mind?

 

[mrsu]

I still can't shake the thought of MC being a mole.

And does anyone have a link to where it said MC actually sent photos back? I thought I remember reading they were only found on his phone.

 

[Emma Peel]

Hold on a minute.

Why are we thinking these court filings, which the press have picked up from the public record, have been leaked by Kaine?

Public records are not leaks AFAIK.

 

[1Chump]

As I've posted, I do believe that Kaine has a right to know of any financial obligations he may be subject to.

Same as he has a right to know of any considerations such as if Terri sold rights to videos of Kyron. Desiree has a legal and moral right to know about that too.

IMO, that is the major problem with this motion....Kaine has no financial obligations for any debts incurred after the date of filing and/or separation. Houze was hired AFTER Kaine filed. Therefore, Houze would not be a marital debt.

 

[ami]

Is sexting after your husband leaves the house and files for a divorce... illegal? Or is it considered to be a character flaw by those who investigate?

Are unproven allegations and hearsay, such as heavy drinking at parties or MFH allegations considered character flaws by those who investigate? TIA

Please, I'm not looking at how people judge the moral underpinnings of a person, I'm looking for legal criteria. TIA

I think only part of what LE looks at is the sheer legalness of someone's actions. Look at Scott Peterson - was it illegal of him to tell Amber he "lost his wife" weeks before Laci was dead, or tell Amber he was in Paris when he was at his wife's candlelight vigil, or to smile and laugh as Laci's family cried with anguish? None of that was illegal but of course LE used it to formulate their theories about SP. Who wouldn't? It speaks to their character, sure, and also to potential motives for murder and abduction.

 

[eyes4crime]

She may have said that is what Houze costs but she NEVER said that is what she paid. IMO, Huge difference.

I totally agree - it often is a HUGH difference. Don't forget to take into account the redacts:

redact
redact
Terri - yup, guess how much he costs

MC - Zillions?
redact

Terri - 350K
redact X 5................end of what we were told

Who knows what the 350K was actually in response to. all just my opinion