2010.07.17 - President of NCM&EC could be a stranger abduction.

  • #61
I don't think just anyone can call up and, for example, report their neighbor's child missing, or call up and say a child has been found who hasn't, or call up and give false information that would impede finding a child.

If I'm not mistaken, NCMEC confirms all their info with the LE agency in charge of the missing child case. At least I sure hope that's how it works.

Sure. I would guess that they list a child after verifying that the child is "missing endangered" from the local law enforcement unit.

But I feel very confident in saying that NCMEC's president has no access to investigative details, beyond the sheriff's office confirming that Kyron is missing and endangered.
 
  • #62
  • #63
Sure. I would guess that they list a child after verifying that the child is "missing endangered" from the local law enforcement unit.

But I feel very confident in saying that NCMEC's president has no access to investigative details, beyond the sheriff's office confirming that Kyron is missing and endangered.

Puf, I think perhaps you're not familiar with all NCMEC does.

ETA: This would illustrate one of the needs NCMEC has for further investigative details, such as the classification of the type of Kyron's abduction:
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=3892
 
  • #64
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Is the assumption of this thread that LE has for some reason confided in this head of an advocacy association that Terri is innocent and Kyron was abducted by a stranger?

And this interview exposes this?

And we need to check the designation?

I am confused.
 
  • #66
Is the assumption of this thread that LE has for some reason confided in this head of an advocacy association that Terri is innocent and Kyron was abducted by a stranger?

And this interview exposes this?

And we need to check the designation?

I am confused.

Seems to be just that.
 
  • #67
BeanE, thanks for the information on NCMEC. As always, you provide a way for people to look at many different things.
 
  • #68
Puf, I think perhaps you're not familiar with all NCMEC does.

ETA: This would illustrate one of the needs NCMEC has for further investigative details, such as the classification of the type of Kyron's abduction:
http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=3892

They are a marvelous organization. They are not briefed however on every missing child in every jurisdiction in the country....so that their "designation" is a bellwether to where the investigation is going. It is not their function.

I'm sure they verify cases with LE to make sure their resources are used wisely. But, as is often pointed out here, even the grieving families are not privy to every detail...there is no way even well meaning non-official non-family members are on some inside track.

How could any D.A, be sure the cases would not be compromised?

This nice man with a great organization just gave the media a standard quote.
 
  • #69
Well, there are basically 3 categories, right? Missing-Voluntary, Missing Endangered and Parental Abduction. I could be leaving out one, but those are the general classifications. He can't be missing voluntary, even if he did hypothetically wander outside on his own, at his age he'd be endangered by now. It doesn't technically qualify as a parental abduction because none of the parents have left and went on the run with him. Even if the main theory in an investigation is that a parent or step-parent was involved, I don't think they classify it as parental unless the parent is actively on the loose with the child. Or, even if he is alive and living as someone's child somewhere, he is still endangered and missing against his own will. So, missing endangered would be the automatic/default category for him no matter what happened.
 
  • #70
I don't see how that proves this guy somehow "knows" what happened to Kyron. If he did, this case would be solved, and we would know where Kyron is, which we don't, and neither does LE.

I absolutely agree 1000%.
 
  • #71
Is the assumption of this thread that LE has for some reason confided in this head of an advocacy association that Terri is innocent and Kyron was abducted by a stranger?

And this interview exposes this?

And we need to check the designation?

I am confused.

Seems to be just that.


I don't think so, SMM & puf, but of course I can only speak for myself and my perception.

I haven't seen any indication of that. Really, I'm not sure why anyone would think that.

It looks to me like the thread is the discussion of an article that came out. Just like all the other threads that are discussions about articles that come out.
 
  • #72
Well, there are basically 3 categories, right? Missing-Voluntary, Missing Endangered and Parental Abduction. I could be leaving out one, but those are the general classifications. He can't be missing voluntary, even if he did hypothetically wander outside on his own, at his age he'd be endangered by now. It doesn't technically qualify as a parental abduction because none of the parents have left and went on the run with him. Even if the main theory in an investigation is that a parent or step-parent was involved, I don't think they classify it as parental unless the parent is actively on the loose with the child. Or, even if he is alive and living as someone's child somewhere, he is still endangered and missing against his own will. So, missing endangered would be the automatic/default category for him no matter what happened.

NCMEC uses the DOJ categories that the gentleman in the article was speaking to. Different subject from the Missing-Voluntary, Missing-Endangered, etc.

ETA:


The U.S. Department of Justice reports

797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

203,900 children were the victims of family abductions.

58,200 children were the victims of non-family abductions.

115 children were the victims of “stereotypical” kidnapping. (These crimes involve someone the child does not know or someone of slight acquaintance, who holds the child overnight, transports the child 50 miles or more, kills the child, demands ransom, or intends to keep the child permanently.)

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=2810#5
 
  • #73
Thanks for clearing that up, BeanE.

For awhile, I was confused and thought that the article was supposed to lead us to believe that some special relationship with LE gave this statement special credibility as to whether a stranger was responsible for taking Kyron.

That would be misleading.

This is such a widely read Board and such a well-respected one...that is is great we can clear these things up so others who just read here do not misunderstand.

Thank you again.

Here is the mission statement of that wonderful organization:

http://www.missingkids.com/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_US&PageId=4362

"The National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, (NCMEC), is a private, (501)(c)(3) nonprofit organization which was created in 1984. The mission of the organization is to serve as the nation’s resource on the issues of missing and sexual exploited children. The organization provides information and resources to law enforcement, parents, children including child victims as well as other professionals."
 
  • #74
Thanks for clearing that up, BeanE.

Well, I didn't clear up anything lol. I just gave you my perspective, SMM. I don't speak for the forum or anything. Maybe you could talk with a mod to get your questions answered by somebody who actually knows what they're talking about, unlike me, who never is quite sure even myself what I'm talking about. :)
 
  • #75
It sounds like Mr. Allen has the experience and credentials to speak out, regardless of any insider information he may have been given. I didn't interpret the OP or the article to suggest that he had been briefed by LE on Kyron's case.

http://www.icmec.org/missingkids/servlet/PageServlet?LanguageCountry=en_X1&PageId=1366

Ernie Allen is President and Chief Executive Officer of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children and the International Centre for Missing & Exploited Children. Through his leadership, NCMEC has played a role in the recovery of 74,000 children, with NCMEC’s recovery rate climbing from 62% in 1990 to 94% today. He has also taken NCMEC’s programs and services to a global audience. Today, ICMEC is building a global missing children’s network that already includes fourteen nations. An attorney in his native Kentucky, Ernie Allen came to NCMEC after serving as Chief Administrative Officer of Jefferson County, Director of Public Health & Safety for the City of Louisville, and Director of the Louisville-Jefferson County Crime Commission

http://www.copacommission.org/meetings/hearing1/allen.pdf

ERNIE ALLEN

BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION


Ernie Allen is President & Chief Executive Officer of the National
Center for Missing & Exploited Children. He was co-founder of the
private, nonprofit Center, which has helped recover 50,000 children,
while increasing its recovery rate from 62% in 1990 to 93% today.
Allen has brought technology and innovation to the Center, including
computerized age progressions of long-term missing children; an
award-winning Internet website that handles 3 million “hits” per day; a
CyberTipline called “the 911 for the Internet;” and a new International
Centre to expand services worldwide.

Under his leadership, the Center has grown from a $3 million
organization in 1989 to a $38 million organization today with offices
in six states and the United Kingdom. The Center is one of only ten
national charities graded “A+” by the American Institute of
Philanthropy
.

Ernie Allen is an active spokesman for the cause, having made
numerous appearances on Oprah, The Today Show, Good Morning
America, Larry King Live, and many others. He was named “1998
Communicator of the Year” by the National Association of
Government Communicators.

Ernie Allen came to the Center following public service in his native
Kentucky, where he was Chief Administrative Officer of Jefferson
County, Director of Public Health & Safety for the City of Louisville,
and Director of the Louisville-Jefferson County Crime Commission.
He is an attorney and member of the Kentucky Bar; and a teacher,
having held faculty positions at the University of Louisville,
University of Kentucky, and Indiana University.

He has been honored by his alma mater, the University of Louisville,
as Distinguished Alumnus of the Louis D. Brandeis School of Law,
and Outstanding Alumnus of the College of Arts & Sciences.

------

TESTIMONY OF ERNIE ALLEN

President & CEO THE NATIONAL CENTER FOR MISSING & EXPLOITED CHILDREN

for the

UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

COMMITTEE ON THE JUDICIARY SUBCOMMITTEE ON CRIME, TERRORISM AND HOMELAND SECURITY​

As you know, the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children is a not-for-profit corporation, mandated by Congress and working in partnership with the U.S. Department of Justice. NCMEC is a public-private partnership, funded in part by Congress and in part by the private sector. For 25 years NCMEC has operated under Congressional mandate to serve as the
national resource center and clearinghouse on missing and exploited children. This statutory mandate (see 42 U.S.C. §5773) includes 19 specific operational functions, among which are:

• operating a national 24-hour toll-free hotline, 1-800-THE-LOST® (1-800-843-5678), to intake reports of missing children and receive leads about ongoing cases;

• providing technical assistance and training to individuals and law enforcement agencies in the prevention, investigation, prosecution, and treatment of cases involving missing and exploited children;

• tracking the incidence of attempted child abductions;

• providing forensic technical assistance to law enforcement;

• facilitating the deployment of the National Emergency Child Locator Center during periods of national disasters;

• working with law enforcement and the private sector to reduce the distribution of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 over the Internet;

• operating a child victim identification program to assist law enforcement in identifying victims of child 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬;

• developing and disseminating programs and information about Internet safety and the prevention of child abduction and sexual exploitation;

• providing technical assistance and training to law enforcement in identifying and locating non-compliant sex offenders; and

• operating the CyberTipline, the “9-1-1 for the Internet,” that the public and electronic service providers may use to report Internet-related child sexual exploitation.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/42/usc_sec_42_00005773----000-.html

http://judiciary.house.gov/hearings/pdf/Allen090310.pdf


Given the alleged credentials of some of the talking heads I've heard on this case, Mr. Allen leaves 'em in the dust. IMO, I doubt his statement was simply pulled out of thin air just to give the media it's Quote Of The Day.
 
  • #76
Well, I didn't clear up anything lol. I just gave you my perspective, SMM. I don't speak for the forum or anything. Maybe you could talk with a mod to get your questions answered by somebody who actually knows what they're talking about, unlike me, who never is quite sure even myself what I'm talking about. :)

I feel that way often myself. LOL! Thank you though just for helping. You know I'm pretty new here...just learning the dance steps. :Banane12:
 
  • #77
Thinking more on this, and given that the organization works closely with LE and the DOJ (i.e. FBI, etc.), I believe it's quite likely he does have investigative information regarding Kyron's case.
 
  • #78
(first thread here, please let me know if I need to fix anything I tried to go off of other posts I see :blushing: )

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/unusual_events_nature_of_disap.html


Unusual events, nature of disappearance keep Kyron Horman saga in national spotlight
-Lynne Terry, The Oregonian

Published: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 9:05 PM Updated: Saturday, July 17, 2010, 9:07 PM



Thousands of children vanish every year. But there are many reasons the saga of this 7-year-old boy has fueled seemingly insatiable curiosity coast-to-coast.

For months, Americans have faced a steady drumbeat of bad news that has been overwhelming and impersonal. Then comes the heart-tugging image of the innocent, bespectacled face with a gap-toothed grin. The fractured family dynamics and sensational twists in this story also have captivated the nation.

But perhaps the biggest factor feeding interest in the Kyron story has to do with the nature of his disappearance. Although hundreds of thousands of children are reported missing every year, about 115 are cases in which a child is abducted by a stranger and killed, held for ransom or taken for another reason. Kyron's case, though still unsolved, falls in this category, said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children.

About a third of those 115 kids are taken off the street or from a vehicle. The rest are mostly snatched from their home, yard, park or wooded area or from a store. Only two -- fewer than 2 percent -- vanish from a school or day care.
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-bbm, so how is this both an isolated event with no threat to the area AND a stranger abduction?
Would this hint at a change in their focus, a friend or accomplice to Terri that would technically be a stranger but not a danger to other children or just his opinion that is being reported?


First scenario which comes to mind is a contracted abduction. Whomever is behind his disappearance contracted with a stranger to abduct a specific child. So when you look at it that way, it is a stranger - an individual with no prior ties to the child (directly at least). If it was child specific then the threat to other children is limited (in theory).
 
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http://www.fbi.gov/kids/crimepre/abduct/abdmiss.htm

Among its activities, NCMEC provides the following resources:

  • Technical assistance to parents, private agencies, and law enforcement, including case management analysis.

  • A national toll-free hotline (1-800-THE-LOST/1-800-843-5678).

  • An information network for the exchange of data and photographs of missing children.

  • Legal and technical assistance training programs.

  • Professional and general interest publications.

  • Support for 47 states' missing children clearinghouses.

  • Assistance in international child abduction cases under the Hague Convention.

  • Coordination of Project ALERT, which uses the services of volunteer retired police officers to provide onsite assistance to local police in complex missing and exploited children cases.

Our federal, state, and local law enforcement partners stand shoulder to shoulder with us to help locate children and build cases against their offenders. Any success that we have achieved has been through those partnerships and relationships we continue to develop with our law enforcement partners and one of our greatest allies, the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC).

FBI personnel work here at NCMEC and have access to the Cyber Tip Line, the “9-1-1 for the Internet.”

http://www.fbi.gov/pressrel/speeches/harrington080210.htm

Was NCMEC one of the agencies assisting MCSO in the investigation?
 

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