2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[gamom]

I didn't know that George wrote a letter to Casey after she accused him. Do you have the link because I would love to read it. Don't get me wrong...I believe you..lol.

It's the "Why" letter. I will look for it. But yes, he wrote her an angry letter after the accusation asking how she could hurt everyone after they have supported her....

 

[nums24]

I didn't know that George wrote a letter to Casey after she accused him. Do you have the link because I would love to read it. Don't get me wrong...I believe you..lol.

here's a link to George & cindy's letters:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2010-06/54572752.pdf

 

[ynotdivein]

It's the "Why" letter. I will look for it. But yes, he wrote her an angry letter after the accusation asking how she could hurt everyone after they have supported her....

Dated March 25 2010.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

 

[Omachka]

I never saw the suicide attempt determined to be as the result of RC. Do you have a link pertaining to this? TIA

It was in her police interview at the bottom of page 37 and top of page 38. There was an interview with her on TV as well where she said he had called her from that hotel but she had refused to meet him there. I can't find a link to that interview right now. Of course, just cause River said this (or even if she believes it) doesn't mean it is true. GA could have been trying to get sympathy from her, or CA or the media or all of the above. I honestly don't think his attempt was truly serious. If it had been, I don't think he'd have called anyone to say he was going to do it.

 

[butterfly1978]

I never saw the suicide attempt determined to be as the result of RC. Do you have a link pertaining to this? TIA

No actually I don't it was an opinion but I forgot to put that in my statement:blushing:
What I should have said was after learning about River didn't WE determine the suicide attempt to be about her, because he had made several calls to her that night... It was an opinion sorry I forgot to state that :angel:

 

[gamom]

I will never believe that selfish Casey would sit in jail one night to protect George if George was the murderer. She was so desperate to tell her side of the story at the last hearing, she scribbled on her note pad, gestured with her hands and made faces. Her lawyers couldn't keep her still. The girl is not a shrinking violet. She was obviously furious because her mother and Lee weren't saying the right things and she made sure everybody at the hearing knew.

More importantly, I think the evidence points toward Casey and not anybody else.

George reported the theft of the gas cans. Which he would not have done if he was the murderer. If George was the murderer, Casey wouldn't have had to rob anybody, George would have been giving her money to hide out from Cindy. And no way would a neat-freak trust sloppy, lazy Casey to hide the body. Nor would an ex-LE have been o.k. with leaving the rotting body above ground where the neighbor's dogs could have gotten at body parts to drag home.

Then there is the video of Casey at Blockbusters--where Casey's ISN'T wild-eyed or dazed with shock over her Caylee's sudden demise.

Everything about the crime points toward the killer being someone that is sloppy, ditsy and selfish...NOT a OCD ex-homicide detective.

As to whether or not George molested Casey, I have no opinion. It is a fact that sociopaths disassociate from their bad acts. A sociopath can smile and charm an intended victims even as the sociopath plans to use the victim or steal from the victim or even take the victim's life. It is also fact that ICA is a liar. So far, nothing she has said has turned out to be true. There are plenty of examples times some of those lies were attention seeking ones, based on nothing but a very vivid imagination. For example, the house Casey had lined up for her and Amy to move into...all the money Casey had in the bank...Casey taking college classes...etc.

I do believe George visited online sites but ????

We've heard from Casey's own lips that Jesse can't be trusted. We've heard about the nanny and Samantha and Gloria and Victor. Next the defense trashed RK. I won't be surprised if the defense asks the jury to believe that George is a molester or worse.

BBM, This is the exact reason that I never believed the Zani story or that KC was "protecting her family". She is so selfish, should would not have gone the police ride home with out telling the truth if she thought it would benefit her. But like Jose said early in this case "It does nothing for KC to tell the state where Caylee is"

 

[gitana1]

The thing is...when it comes time to present their defense to a jury...it's just gonna fall flat. There's not one dynamic person on that defense team...no one to hammer their claims home. There's no LDB or JA who expertly weave their case. JB is just not experienced enough, CM is just plain nasty and old, and LKB is abrasive as all get out. It's just gonna sound like "junk lawyering" coming from them. JMHO

But even if they knew what they were doing, they'd still fall flat. They just don't have a case. She's too guilty and the whole lot of them (the Anthonys) are too stubborn in their pattern of lying to save face.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

But even if they knew what they were doing, they'd still fall flat. They just don't have a case. She's too guilty and the whole lot of them (the Anthonys) are too stubborn in their pattern of lying to save face.

Oh yeah....they can put up all the smoke and mirrors they like ~ it's not going to work. It may however work for Casey in that it will give her a novel way to punish her family, yet again...and allow her to 'save face'. If she can throw some shade on George or anyone else, and get just one person to believe her, in her mind she has some 'traction'. In her mind being 'theoretically innocent' is enough doubt to work with in prison, she can then wear the mask of the falsely accused. At the moment, and I'm only judging by her own letters I think she's wavering between two possibilities, she is either completely innocent, or she killed Caylee because she was herself abused, therefore damaged, and also saving Caylee. I think we'll know soon enough where she has settled. My money is on falsely accused, and if it's that then George: you're in for a rocky year.

 

[ThinkTank]

I'd like to know what the heck she's buying.

http://www.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬.com/2010/03/strangers-are-still-sending-casey-anthony-money-for-snacks/
STRANGERS STILL SEND CASEY ANTHONY MONEY FOR SNACKS
March 5, 2010


http://www.wesh.com/news/24246740/detail.html
Casey's Latest Jail Purchases: Crackers & Cocoa
July 13, 2010

 

[Macushla]

I smell a document dump coming.......
the $h1t always starts hitting the fan when a doc dump is around the corner.

Ibet JB regrets fighting that gag order now.

BBM: Now that is something that I have been wondering about. I know a gag order would have prevented any of the attorneys from talking about the case. I heard Judge Strickland tell Cindy during that hearing that the gag order would not pertain to her, or other family members I assume.

But would the gag order pertain to the documents released under the sunshine law and would it have stopped the media from reporting on and speculating about the documents? Or would these documents not have been released if there was a gag order in place?

 

[butterfly1978]

BBM: Now that is something that I have been wondering about. I know a gag order would have prevented any of the attorneys from talking about the case. I heard Judge Strickland tell Cindy during that hearing that the gag order would not pertain to her, or other family members I assume.

But would the gag order pertain to the documents released under the sunshine law and would it have stopped the media from reporting on and speculating about the documents? Or would these documents not have been released if there was a gag order in place?

I am probably wrong so take what I say with a grain of salt, but my understanding is that the without a gag order the State and the Defense agreed to share all, both sides now have to pretty much show thier entire case and all court hearings are allowed to be public, and no one has to shut up.... but with a gag order such as in the Sandra Cantu case, the state has to give everything to the defence but nothing gets made public and everything is such as hearings are done behind closed doors, and nobody can talk about the case. like I said thats how I interpret the gag order.

 

[Aedrys]

According to this article:

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/24328486/detail.html

George Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway, said mitigation evidence would involve events that lead up to Caylee's death.


"They're going to have to prove the relevancy of a suicide attempt after the fact," Conway said


So if I am reading this correctly and Brad is quoted correctly, then it seems like Baez is wrong in thinking this is a mitigating factor. It would be interesting to hear from a lawyer on whether Baez is wrong, Baez is covering for the bus he's looking for, or whether it could be used as mitigating.

I can see George getting up there and saying "You must save my daughter or I won't be able to survive. If you can't do it for her, do it for me and my family", but that wouldn't be used in the mitigation phase, I don't think.

Thoughts?

This post has nothing to do with molestation, but everything to do with the suicide attempt.

The relevancy of a suicide attempt? What, George had no right to want to commit suicide after Caylee was murdered and Casey was charged with it? Conway, seriously, you need to rethink how you phrase things. That was terrible. There is no need to determine RELEVANCY here, unless you're saying he tried to commit suicide for reasons totally unrelated to Caylee. The man had every right to despair after his beloved granddaughter was murdered and his daughter was charged with it, unless he's a shallow piece of you know what and happened to pick another reason unrelated to the case to attempt it. WTF?

I had to read some more articles to figure out what Conway was blathering about. It's not the relevancy that's being investigated, it's making that suicide attempt a part of the mitigation phase. That's the only thing that makes some sort of sense. And I guess the defense is making sure that he was attempting it for the right reasons, not because he missed River so much? Still, WTF is there to investigate? This makes little sense and Conway did not help.

Later in that same article he says they've been working transparently with the state. Uh huh, so transparently that we all know your clients are lying and covering up for Casey. Seriously, how does this man spew out this crap and not want to wash his mouth out with soap afterwards?

Yep, he's working for one Anthony now, and it ain't George. I don't think Cindy would just kindly let the defense investigate her.

 

[ThinkTank]

The relevancy of a suicide attempt? What, George had no right to want to commit suicide after Caylee was murdered and Casey was charged with it? Conway, seriously, you need to rethink how you phrase things. That was terrible. There is no need to determine RELEVANCY here, unless you're saying he tried to commit suicide for reasons totally unrelated to Caylee. The man had every right to despair after his beloved granddaughter was murdered and his daughter was charged with it, unless he's a shallow piece of you know what and happened to pick another reason unrelated to the case to attempt it. WTF?

I had to read some more articles to figure out what Conway was blathering about. It's not the relevancy that's being investigated, it's making that suicide attempt a part of the mitigation phase. That's the only thing that makes some sort of sense. And I guess the defense is making sure that he was attempting it for the right reasons, not because he missed River so much? Still, WTF is there to investigate? This makes little sense and Conway did not help.

Later in that same article he says they've been working transparently with the state. Uh huh, so transparently that we all know your clients are lying and covering up for Casey. Seriously, how does this man spew out this crap and not want to wash his mouth out with soap afterwards?

Yep, he's working for one Anthony now, and it ain't George. I don't think Cindy would just kindly let the defense investigate her.

I am usually disgusted by everything that comes out of Conway's mouth, and consider it stinking doodoo.
But, I was pleased to see that Conway shot down JB's spin that he was only investigating George for the mitigation phase of the trial -- because any evidence used for "mitigation" is supposed to be to show things that happened to the accused baby killer BEFORE her child was murdered, which may have played a role in the motive or reason for the murder. Conway was saying that George's suicide attempt (not) was not something that happened to the Inmate BEFORE Caylee's murder, so what JB was saying did not make sense (IOW - was hot steaming doodoo).
But then Conway quickly adds his support for the Defense investigation of George, by saying he expected it, as they would investigate any witness ... blah ... blah .... blah ....

IMO George needs to hire (or find a pro bono) CRIMINAL attorney like yesterday! He needs an attorney to help protect GEORGE from the train that is barreling in his direction, while Cindy and Conway and the defense team have George tied and gagged to the railroad track!

 

[Paintr]

The relevancy of a suicide attempt? What, George had no right to want to commit suicide after Caylee was murdered and Casey was charged with it? Conway, seriously, you need to rethink how you phrase things. That was terrible. There is no need to determine RELEVANCY here, unless you're saying he tried to commit suicide for reasons totally unrelated to Caylee. The man had every right to despair after his beloved granddaughter was murdered and his daughter was charged with it, unless he's a shallow piece of you know what and happened to pick another reason unrelated to the case to attempt it. WTF?

I had to read some more articles to figure out what Conway was blathering about. It's not the relevancy that's being investigated, it's making that suicide attempt a part of the mitigation phase. That's the only thing that makes some sort of sense. And I guess the defense is making sure that he was attempting it for the right reasons, not because he missed River so much? Still, WTF is there to investigate? This makes little sense and Conway did not help.

Later in that same article he says they've been working transparently with the state. Uh huh, so transparently that we all know your clients are lying and covering up for Casey. Seriously, how does this man spew out this crap and not want to wash his mouth out with soap afterwards?

Yep, he's working for one Anthony now, and it ain't George. I don't think Cindy would just kindly let the defense investigate her.

I think that George should have his own lawyer.

 

[Bobbisangel]

here's a link to George & cindy's letters:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2010-06/54572752.pdf

Thanks so much...I really appreciate that.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think that George should have his own lawyer.

He had one but he (NeJame) quit because of ethical concerns over his actions...

 

[Paintr]

He had one but he (NeJame) quit because of ethical concerns over his actions...

I wonder if MN would take George back as a client, if George was completely separated from Cindy and was no longer trying to 'save' KC? :waitasec:

I doubt it, but imo George could use some good legal advice. George needs someone who is looking out for George alone.

 

[tlcya]

MsGNoris, TY for posting the letter you refenced from GA. I had not read it yet, and something about seeing it in his own handwriting rather than transpcribed version, breaks my heart. Although the most telling thing for me is:

the order of the why's makes me curious. First the why destroy LEE, followed by why destry your mother, then comes what were I him, would have been my first question - the why destroy me. Follwed by, for me, the oddest and perhaps most telling why of all - "Why, why also destroy Caylee Marie?"

It makes me wish I knew what he was really thinking when writing this. Does the question imply that for ICA to suggest improrieties by GA somehow destroys Caylee's memory? Or is it perhaps a more direct question meaning why? Why did you destroy little Caylee?

 

[Mendara]

OT - I still can't believe that after KC killed her baby that she was able to hide the fact that Caylee was gone for 31 days! I just can't believe no one took notice or were concerned enough to find out where Caylee was. By the end of those 31 days I bet KC was feeling real comfortable with her lies and ability to shut out everyone who loved Caylee and make a new life for herself with TL. I find it even stranger that as her bf he never commented on her not being a hands on mom and how often she was without her child. IMHO