2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[Bobbisangel]

No actually I don't it was an opinion but I forgot to put that in my statement:blushing:
What I should have said was after learning about River didn't WE determine the suicide attempt to be about her, because he had made several calls to her that night... It was an opinion sorry I forgot to state that :angel:

Wasn't the suicide attempt..if they want to call it that...way before George was fooling around with River? Seems the suicide attempt came not long after Caylee went missing or was found I can't remember which. It just seems like River came a long time after that,

 

[Cat13067]

Actually.. I think it makes perfect sense that she asked for George. She wanted nothing to do with talking with Cindy because all Cindy wanted to do was bring the discussions back around to Caylee. In the recent hearing, Casey has proven she has the tightest bond with Lee.. which would most likely have made lying to him more difficult than lying to CA or GA. Whereas George was the non confrontational soother.. he was full of "hey beautiful" and a whole lot of non threatening talk. Once she was in jail, he very rarely demanded anything so stressful from her such as answering questions about Caylee. IMO.. he was the most easily manipulated during the family's visits with her, hence.. he was the logical choice when she was asked to pick only one.

my opinion only
wild

I respectfully disagree with GA being the non confrontational parent. GA was the one who wanted her to point on a map as to where they could find Caylee. LP also said, GA had no time for KC's B.S. as he knew she was holding something back. In jail house visits with the "head of the corporation" conversation he was telling her to call her own shots, and not let JB have the last say. Even giving his GJ testimony was pro prosecution. KC hated, and disrespected her father. GA even left the home, because he was fighting with CA over KC. To this day she has not met with only her father. Why? If he was so non confrontational with KC, and merely wanted to say "hey beautiful" why hasn't he put in a request to see her? After all she did say she wanted to see him....right? Ask yourself what would be wrong with the media releasing jail house visits that contain a "hi how are you" conversations? JMO

 

[Bobbisangel]

here's a link to George & cindy's letters:

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2010-06/54572752.pdf

I went through all of the letters and I'll be darned if I can find that letter.

 

[Cat13067]

It is way past the time for George to be true to Caylee and her grandfather, himself.

I prefer to be true to myself, even at the hazard of incurring the ridicule of others, rather than to be false, and to incur my own abhorrence.* ~Frederick Douglass

(Tell the DA all of the truth now, George.)

I think GA wearing that purple shirt to the last hearing was his way of telling KC I am here for Caylee. Remember purple was Caylee's favorite color. I think Ms. KC got the message loud, and clear where her father stands when it comes to his love for Caylee.

 

[nums24]

FWIW - Here is the WESH video report from yesterday:

http://www.wesh.com/video/24329666/index.html

The report states that the defense does not consider GA a suspect, but that he will be able to help with mitigation in the penalty phase.

 

[tlcya]

I went through all of the letters and I'll be darned if I can find that letter.

Are you seeking the one embedded within MsGNoris' post number 484, lately nicknamed the "why" letter?

 

[nums24]

I went through all of the letters and I'll be darned if I can find that letter.

Here is the actual letter, Thanks to Mrs G Norris:

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[tlcya]

lol, jinx nums

 

[Cat13067]

FWIW - Here is the WESH video report from yesterday:

http://www.wesh.com/video/24329666/index.html

The report states that the defense does not consider GA a suspect, but that he will be able to help with mitigation in the penalty phase.

Is the defense waving a white flag? How is GA's mental state going to help KC when it comes to sentencing. Please don''t kill my daughter, because I'll kill myself? GA is in therapy, and has said on numerous occasions that he knows he must continue on with his life helping other families deal with missing children.

When a DP jury finds a defendent guilty I would think they are also able to recommend the death penalty. I am sure many defendents who have received the DP had parents that did not want their child put to death, but we have laws that allow us to put ruthless people to death for unthinkable crimes, especially ones against innocent babies. JMO

 

[LambChop]

I think they plan to use it if KC is found guilty. They will say that GA's attempt (weak as it was) was because he felt guilty because of the abuse KC has accused him of. So all this talk by defense about how the bad media press has caused two attempted suicides makes you wonder why they would decide to investigate GA. If anything were to bring on another attempt....this would do it. How do they sleep at night? jmo

 

[Cat13067]

When is KC going to take responsibility for her actions? To this day she wants love, and support from her family, but she pens the complete opposite. Watching the interaction between CA, and KC at the last hearing was quite revealing that KC hates her mother. If looks could kill CA would be dead. Even when CA stepped down from the stand she walked straight back to her seat as KC spoke to her attorneys. CA, and KC know those 911 calls started the ball rolling, and the ball has continued rolling since that day. It been two years since Caylee died, and I'm sure GA, and CA miss her more than words can say, but they have continued to live life. They went on a cruise. GA is supposed to be working again. They still are involved in their organization for missing children. I am not minimizing their pain, but I don't believe they are suicidal either. JMO

 

[Aedrys]

I think they plan to use it if KC is found guilty. They will say that GA's attempt (weak as it was) was because he felt guilty because of the abuse KC has accused him of. So all this talk by defense about how the bad media press has caused two attempted suicides makes you wonder why they would decide to investigate GA. If anything were to bring on another attempt....this would do it. How do they sleep at night? jmo

ITA! Hello, Baez, Cindy was suicidal too! And said she wrote letters about it! How about investigating her too? Or is that George had an actual attempt while Cindy can just deny her suicidal thoughts?

P.S. Don't say you're duty bound to investigate everyone when you are clearly not investigating Cindy or Lee. I called BS on that right away!

 

[beach]

I respectfully disagree with GA being the non confrontational parent. GA was the one who wanted her to point on a map as to where they could find Caylee. LP also said, GA had no time for KC's B.S. as he knew she was holding something back. In jail house visits with the "head of the corporation" conversation he was telling her to call her own shots, and not let JB have the last say. Even giving his GJ testimony was pro prosecution. KC hated, and disrespected her father. GA even left the home, because he was fighting with CA over KC. To this day she has not met with only her father. Why? If he was so non confrontational with KC, and merely wanted to say "hey beautiful" why hasn't he put in a request to see her? After all she did say she wanted to see him....right? Ask yourself what would be wrong with the media releasing jail house visits that contain a "hi how are you" conversations? JMO

I agree with Cat. The only thing I disagree with is that since she has been incarcerated for so long now, George has literally begged Casey to approve a visit (many times in the GA letters) and SHE is the one that has refused. For whatever reason. Casey obviously doesn't want to face him now.

Hate to quote myself, but I snipped a portion of a post I made a few days ago offering even more instances that make your point. IMO, George is the only one in that family that made repeated genuine efforts to hold Casey's feet to the fire and and attempted to get Cindy to face the truth. Everytime, he did that, he was subjected to Cindy's wrath. :banghead: (IF she knew about it, that is.)

eta: GA was told on more than one occassion to "stop playing cop and be a supportive father" by Cindy.

*heavily snipped*

I'm still processing this whole deal, but these are the thoughts that permeate my mind right now:

GA was the one who tried to help Tim Miller by begging Casey to mark an 'X' on the map;

GA, after that episode, eventually ended up at the hotel with Tim Miller and the TES crew after Cindy supposedly threw him out for being 'disloyal';

GA was the one who, during his interview with LE (or the FBI?), tried to be as truthful as he could allow himself to be, even stating "I hope this goes no further than between the 3 of us";

GA was the one that did what he could to make Cindy face the truth by going to Sports Authority to confirm his belief that Casey did NOT work there and, true to form, was lying again;

GA was the one who was so distraught during his interview with LE that he actually had to leave to throw-up when discussing the possibility that his daughter could have murdered his beloved Caylee;

GA had obviously expressed his true feelings to his friend from Ohio (name escapes me, but former LE also) when his friend stated, "The answer is in THAT room and the b*tch won't talk";

GA was the one that called the cops when the gas cans were 'stolen' and I don't doubt for a minute he knew exactly who broke in that shed;

GA was the one who found an excuse to go to the trunk of the Pontiac despite Casey's tantrum and took his f'ing gas cans;

GA is the one who testified at the Grand Jury hearing who obviously had damaging testimony that helped to indict his daughter;

George & Cindy's separation was in large part due to disagreements over Casey;

 

[Cat13067]

I agree with Cat. The only thing I disagree with is that since she has been incarcerated for so long now, George has literally begged Casey to approve a visit (many times in the GA letters) and SHE is the one that has refused. For whatever reason. Casey obviously doesn't want to face him now.

Hate to quote myself, but I snipped a portion of a post I made a few days ago offering even more instances that make your point. IMO, George is the only one in that family that made repeated genuine efforts to hold Casey's feet to the fire and and attempted to get Cindy to face the truth. Everytime, he did that, he was subjected to Cindy's wrath. :banghead: (IF she knew about it, that is.)

eta: GA was told on more than one occassion to "stop playing cop and be a supportive father" by Cindy.

*heavily snipped*

Thank you for reposting all that info about GA. I agree with you 100%

 

[impatientredhead]

Is the defense waving a white flag? How is GA's mental state going to help KC when it comes to sentencing. Please don''t kill my daughter, because I'll kill myself? GA is in therapy, and has said on numerous occasions that he knows he must continue on with his life helping other families deal with missing children.

When a DP jury finds a defendent guilty I would think they are also able to recommend the death penalty. I am sure many defendents who have received the DP had parents that did not want their child put to death, but we have laws that allow us to put ruthless people to death for unthinkable crimes, especially ones against innocent babies. JMO

There have been multiple cases where the victim's family did not believe in capital punishment and begged both the state and jury to compound their pain by executing the criminal. The man that was killed by firing squad in Utah last month, the attorney he shot and was executed for killing did not believe in the death penalty, his family asked that he not be killed. He was executed.

There is a case in Texas, the killers name is Bart last name escaping me, he arranged to have his family killed for insurance money. His mother and brother were shot at point blank range, and the father was shot but lived. The father in that case begged that his only living family member not be executed. He is a religious person and said he had forgiven him for his acts and wanted him to live so they could have a relationship and his only remaining son could find god. Bart is on death row right now.

George being suicidal about Casey and/or Caylee is not a compelling reason for the jury. It can and should be presented. George should be investigated. At the end of the day you want to see JB doing these things. It will all go to show she had adequate defense when the appeal process wheels get rolling.

 

[Bobbisangel]

Thanks for posting this article. OMG I can't believe JB. Just when I think he's the worst attorney in the state, he sinks lower. How then will he explain the cruise, the weight lifting to get as buff as he's now looking, the earrings, the nice tan? Ummm, no I won't buy any pigs in pokes today. :snooty:

That isn't going to help Casey at all. So what if George thought of suicide a year after Caylee was murdered. Baez is going to say "look how the loss of Caylee affected this family. News Flash Baez...having a loved one murdered always affects the family. George isn't an exception. That will back fire on Baez anyway. Casey is the one that murdered Caylee...it is her fault that her dad even thought of suicide. If she hadn't murdered Caylee he wouldn't have reached a point like he did and which a lot of people do over loss.
The jury will vote death for sure! You go Baez!

 

[Cat13067]

That isn't going to help Casey at all. So what if George thought of suicide a year after Caylee was murdered. Baez is going to say "look how the loss of Caylee affected this family. News Flash Baez...having a loved one murdered always affects the family. George isn't an exception. That will back fire on Baez anyway. Casey is the one that murdered Caylee...it is her fault that her dad even thought of suicide. If she hadn't murdered Caylee he wouldn't have reached a point like he did and which a lot of people do over loss.
The jury will vote death for sure! You go Baez!

On that note let's look at the defendent. She looks very healthy, and she has no problem smiling or joking in the court room. In the privacy of her cell she reads, eats junk food, writes poison pen letters about her family, writes about her plans for buying an RV, and traveling around the good old USA. Writes "I love you" to her jail mates, and gets let out of her cell for face to face girl talks...you know giggle time. Doesn't sound or look like a grieving mother to me. Even when she was let out of jail the first time she took a shower, and prepared dinner, and brownies. How on earth do you eat when your child is missing???? If JB wants to investigate something investigate that! It's called...no remorse!

 

[ZsaZsa]

When is KC going to take responsibility for her actions? To this day she wants love, and support from her family, but she pens the complete opposite. Watching the interaction between CA, and KC at the last hearing was quite revealing that KC hates her mother. If looks could kill CA would be dead. Even when CA stepped down from the stand she walked straight back to her seat as KC spoke to her attorneys. CA, and KC know those 911 calls started the ball rolling, and the ball has continued rolling since that day. It been two years since Caylee died, and I'm sure GA, and CA miss her more than words can say, but they have continued to live life. They went on a cruise. GA is supposed to be working again. They still are involved in their organization for missing children. I am not minimizing their pain, but I don't believe they are suicidal either. JMO

I really don't think she wants anything from her family except to be left alone and not asked any more awkward questions. She looked to have a bit of nostalgia about her brother but as far as GA and particularly CA she acts like she would prefer it if they just went away.

 

[MaryAnn]

BBM

Who sleeps with a bra on? Is this common? I certainly don't.

Who wouldn't wake up if someone was unhooking their bra or pulling a sports bra over their head? Those things are tight!

Who would sleep in a sports bra first of all? How uncomfortable! You're right, she didn't wake up while he was pulling it over her head? give me a break!!! those bra's are hard to get on and off. I don't believe for a second she was molested by anyone. I doubt she's told the truth about anything ever.

 

[LambChop]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
page 4

"...And I also know how it feels to be sexually abused. It's taken a long time for me to forgive and I've been somewhat successful in doing so. The worst part is, when I tried to confide in someone before - Jesse, my Mom, they turned on me. I was to blame for my own brother walking into my room at night and feeling my breasts while I slept. I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted up over my chest or if I had on a regular bra it would be unhooked. Even if I was doing karate in my sleep, that wouldn't have happened. I woke up many times to a flashlight on my face and he would be sitting on my floor, in front of the bed staring at me. This went on for over 3 years before I finally stood up to Lee and told him if he ever came in my room again, I'd kill him. I was 15. It started just before I turned 12. When I told my Mom about it two years ago, she made excuses, saying that he was sleep walking. Not only did she say I was lying, but when I explained everything her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest - "So that's why you're a !!" I don't think having had sex with 7 or 1 people makes me a , but I could be wrong. Over the past few months, I've been having really vivid dreams, and it's obvious that they are dreams of things that have already happened. I think my Dad used to do the same thing to me but when I was much younger. I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was when I was in elementary school, and everything gets fuzzy. But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, the way I used to feel growing up. That's part of the reason I haven't been sleeping much or very well lately. Maybe that's part of the reason why I have so much anxiety with my parents. I was able to get passed things with Lee, and it was far from easy. I saw a doctor on my own when I was 18, no one knows that. I went to get help except for you now. I found the courage to finally tell him that I forgive him, and you know he never asked me what I was forgiving him for. I think he must have known that's why we're more friends than brother and sister. It's easier to look to him as my friend, but even with openly forgiving him, part of that pain will always live in me. Not knowing about my dad, it's opened up a whole new case of insecurity and I don't know if I want to know but I think I need to. Please pray for me."

I think the statement of the sports bra over her head is incorrect. KC states here it was over her chest and unhooked if it were a regular bra. She claims she does not know about her dad. So what has she actually said to this woman. I think the statement she made to JG is more damning so why did she not mention that.....oh, that could be when you tell the truth there are no VERSIONS. I think we need to pray for her but for an entirely different reason. jmo