2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

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http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
page 4

"...And I also know how it feels to be sexually abused. It's taken a long time for me to forgive and I've been somewhat successful in doing so. The worst part is, when I tried to confide in someone before - Jesse, my Mom, they turned on me. I was to blame for my own brother walking into my room at night and feeling my breasts while I slept. I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted up over my chest or if I had on a regular bra it would be unhooked. Even if I was doing karate in my sleep, that wouldn't have happened. I woke up many times to a flashlight on my face and he would be sitting on my floor, in front of the bed staring at me. This went on for over 3 years before I finally stood up to Lee and told him if he ever came in my room again, I'd kill him. I was 15. It started just before I turned 12. When I told my Mom about it two years ago, she made excuses, saying that he was sleep walking. Not only did she say I was lying, but when I explained everything her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest - "So that's why you're a !!" I don't think having had sex with 7 or 1 people makes me a , but I could be wrong. Over the past few months, I've been having really vivid dreams, and it's obvious that they are dreams of things that have already happened. I think my Dad used to do the same thing to me but when I was much younger. I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was when I was in elementary school, and everything gets fuzzy. But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, the way I used to feel growing up. That's part of the reason I haven't been sleeping much or very well lately. Maybe that's part of the reason why I have so much anxiety with my parents. I was able to get passed things with Lee, and it was far from easy. I saw a doctor on my own when I was 18, no one knows that. I went to get help except for you now. I found the courage to finally tell him that I forgive him, and you know he never asked me what I was forgiving him for. I think he must have known that's why we're more friends than brother and sister. It's easier to look to him as my friend, but even with openly forgiving him, part of that pain will always live in me. Not knowing about my dad, it's opened up a whole new case of insecurity and I don't know if I want to know but I think I need to. Please pray for me."

Thanks ThinkTank

WHY is the defense only investigating George? What about Lee?

Casey accused her brother Lee of molestation in the letters and only hinted at George.
So why is the Defense only looking into George and not Lee? (not that I believe her but she did accuse Lee)

IMO If the defense believes her story at all, Lee should have been the first one to be investigated since Casey's own letters accuse Lee.

:twocents:

 

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From the second link;

Dr. Gold specializes in research, treatment of and training in psychological trauma and trauma-related disorders, dissociation, hypnosis, and sexual addiction-compulsivity. He has written many articles for professional journals and chapters in edited volumes and presented on these topics at national and international professional conferences. He is the author of Not Trauma Alone: Therapy for Child Abuse Survivors in Family and Social Context, co-editor of the books Trauma Practice in the Wake of September 11, 2001 and Trauma and Serious Mental Illness, and was guest editor of a special issue of the APA Division of Psychotherapy journal Psychotherapy: Theory, Research, Practice, Training on trauma-related disorders and treatment.


BBM

Well I guess that answers that then. :shakehead:

While I believe it's possible KC was abused, I question why this line of investigation has taken so long to come about.

BBM
I question it too.

 

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Give them time. I feel that this is coming as well. They just need to sew up George first then they go after Lee. They will also be going after Cindy "for not protecting Casey" from George and Lee. We have already seen the letter that Casey claimed Cindy didn't do anything to stop it and even blamed Casey for being a or something to that effect because of it.

BBM
Casey accused Lee of molestation and described it...Casey only hinted at George..so I really don't see why George is the center of attention.

IMO Lee is the one the Defense should be investigating because of what Casey herself wrote.

:twocents:

 

[ZsaZsa]

It came about recently because they had exhausted every other feasible and nonsensical story as to what happened to Caylee.
Now they go after another He Said She said story that no one can prove or disprove. Poor ICA- victimized by her family all her life....

 

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ITA TorisMom! I also think part of the reason the defense is focusing so much on George is that his testimony will be the most damning to casey (apart from LE/forensic experts etc). Lee doesn't have much to offer, and his testimony can't really hurt casey as much as george's will.

Thanks for your post Soju,
I agree George's testimony is more damaging to Casey.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

BBM
Casey accused Lee of molestation and described it...Casey only hinted at George..so I really don't see why George is the center of attention.

IMO Lee is the one the Defense should be investigating because of what Casey herself wrote.

:twocents:

Now if I was cynical I might think that the reason they are going after George and not Lee, is because George has more information that's damaging to the defence, and George is the one who had access to the house....and if they go after George in a major way with the incest allegations that they will neuter everything he has to say, because he will be placed in a defensive position himself, so there may be some doubt in a jurors mind about any evidence he has to give.

But I would only think that if I was cynical, or if I thought the whole sexual abuse allegations were a lie, and if I thought the defence would actually point the finger of blame at someone who was actually a secondary victim of their client ...

JMO etc.

 

[TorisMom003]

BBM
Casey accused Lee of molestation and described it...Casey only hinted at George..so I really don't see why George is the center of attention.

IMO Lee is the one the Defense should be investigating because of what Casey herself wrote.

:twocents:

My guess would be that Casey won't allow it, yet. If she sees that going after George won't do the trick then she may give her defense team the go ahead to go after Lee. Lee has stood by Casey and has said under oath that he believes everything she tells him. George has told LE that he knows Casey lies, he tried to call her out on her "job" but Cindy wouldn't allow it, he testified before the grand jury and what he said more than likely helped get the indictment against Casey. So thinking in a way that Casey appears to I would say she goes after George first and then Lee only as a last resort.

George also had more opportunity and means than Lee since George was living in the Anthony home with Caylee while Lee lived in his own home.

MOO

 

[affinity]

thanks for the information about who is on KC's visitor log. (!)

I am in the minority, because I do think KC was abused. I see post after post written with authority "no, she was not!"---but I lived in a house where there had been prolonged sexual abuse (not me, thank God--it was my Mom and her Dad). Unless you have had exposure (no pun intended) to incest--you won't be able to fathom the ramifications of it. Even though I was not the one molested (thank God, again) I know a lot about people who molest in families and their victims. I know a lot because I grew up in that atmosphere and later had to learn about how and why my life was affected by it. It was never apparent to me while I was growing up--but our family was like the Anthonys on a lot of levels (it would be a long long list of similarities if I wrote it all up--I'll spare you).

To those who are so certain that there was no incest--I have to ask, why are you so certain? We were not there. There is more indications of incest than not. Those who want to say categorically "there was no incest" have not researched the after effects of incest. KC fits it all to a tee.

 

[faefrost]

thanks for the information about who is on KC's visitor log. (!)

I am in the minority, because I do think KC was abused. I see post after post written with authority "no, she was not!"---but I lived in a house where there had been prolonged sexual abuse (not me, thank God--it was my Mom and her Dad). Unless you have had exposure (no pun intended) to incest--you won't be able to fathom the ramifications of it. Even though I was not the one molested (thank God, again) I know a lot about people who molest in families and their victims. I know a lot because I grew up in that atmosphere and later had to learn about how and why my life was affected by it. It was never apparent to me while I was growing up--but our family was like the Anthonys on a lot of levels (it would be a long long list of similarities if I wrote it all up--I'll spare you).

To those who are so certain that there was no incest--I have to ask, why are you so certain? We were not there. There is more indications of incest than not. Those who want to say categorically "there was no incest" have not researched the after effects of incest. KC fits it all to a tee.

The problem is not being sure that incest did or did not occur. The problem is the only source of such information or accusations. KC herself. A known and proven self serving and sociopathic diabolical liar. While it is possible that there may or may not have been an incident of incest somewhere in that household, It is beyond wrong and into the realm of moral depravity to subject any other family member to such thoughts or accusations solely on her ever changing word. While the "victim" would normally and naturally be given a certain benefit of the doubt, we must be extremely cautious about doing so in KC's case.

Once again she is a diabolical yet not particularly clever liar. Many were able to predict these accusations months ago, just from observing her pattern of behavior and lies. I can almost guarantee that come appeal time she will also throw in allegations of some form of sexual misconduct or abuse against JB. It's just how she works. Yeah her behavior may possibly be explained by "incest" it can also be explained by years of overbearing emotional strangulation by CA, or a host of other emotional environmental or bio chemical reasons.

At its heart. If it is coming out of her mouth, your best option is it is a lie told in order to justify and excuse her actions at the expense of someone else, or to simply cover up for something she has done.

 

[TorisMom003]

Here is my reason why I do not believe Casey about George or Lee being inappropriate with her. Cindy. I do not believe that Cindy would stand by and do nothing for her daughter if she even thought that there was something hinky going on. Casey was allowed to lie, steal, not work, do pretty much whatever she wanted without being confronted. Casey was the princess in that family much like Cindy was growing up with her brothers and parents. If Cindy would not allow George to confront Casey about not having a job for fear of upsetting Casey then why should we believe that Cindy would allow George to have sexual relations with Casey? That to me makes no sense. Cindy was all about keeping Casey happy at that time. Cindy was also all about George leaving the home and wanting to divorce George without having to give him half of everything. So what better way to get rid of George and not have to give him half than to call him out on his sexual relations with Casey?!? Sorry but I don't see this happening. I can not believe Casey at all about this. Sure, her actions and behavior could possibly be explained away because of incest or abuse but they can also be explained as the actions and behavior of an evil person who is simply more concerned about herself and her wants and god help anyone that gets in her way as she will lie to cover her own arse.

 

[LinasK]

thanks for the information about who is on KC's visitor log. (!)

I am in the minority, because I do think KC was abused. I see post after post written with authority "no, she was not!"---but I lived in a house where there had been prolonged sexual abuse (not me, thank God--it was my Mom and her Dad). Unless you have had exposure (no pun intended) to incest--you won't be able to fathom the ramifications of it. Even though I was not the one molested (thank God, again) I know a lot about people who molest in families and their victims. I know a lot because I grew up in that atmosphere and later had to learn about how and why my life was affected by it. It was never apparent to me while I was growing up--but our family was like the Anthonys on a lot of levels (it would be a long long list of similarities if I wrote it all up--I'll spare you).

To those who are so certain that there was no incest--I have to ask, why are you so certain? We were not there. There is more indications of incest than not. Those who want to say categorically "there was no incest" have not researched the after effects of incest. KC fits it all to a tee.

I'm with you on this one Affinity- I think the Anthony family is very capable of incest, as well as the secret-keeping that goes along with it. Just because Casey has cried "Wolf" once too often, doesn't mean it didn't happen!

 

[Just Jayla]

Thanks ThinkTank

WHY is the defense only investigating George? What about Lee?

Casey accused her brother Lee of molestation in the letters and only hinted at George.
So why is the Defense only looking into George and not Lee? (not that I believe her but she did accuse Lee)

IMO If the defense believes her story at all, Lee should have been the first one to be investigated since Casey's own letters accuse Lee.

:twocents:

Agreed-I don't believe KC repressed any memories about George, I don't necessarily believe repression/blocking out ever happens unless there is schizophrenia.

 

[Tuba]

At its heart. If it is coming out of her mouth, your best option is it is a lie told in order to justify and excuse her actions at the expense of someone else, or to simply cover up for something she has done.

At the expense of Roy M. Kronk. At the expense of Jesse Grund. At the expense of Zenaida Gonzalez. With more to come.

 

[marspiter]

Here's a question. Has this Dr. Gold officially been placed on the defenses witness list? Perhaps if he is not added then the defenses "investigation" into GA's alleged molestation of ICA was fruitless.

 

[BonKai]

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To those who are so certain that there was no incest--I have to ask, why are you so certain? We were not there. There is more indications of incest than not. Those who want to say categorically "there was no incest" have not researched the after effects of incest. KC fits it all to a tee.

I disagree. My maternal grandfather molested his daughters (including my mother) and our family did not have characteristics of the A's.

When something traumatic happens, people can either repeat the behavior or go the opposite direction ~ or all shades in between. Fortunately for me, my mother went the opposite direction. Lies were not tolerated, "secrets" were not tolerated ("you're only as sick as your secrets") BS was confronted immediately and not enabled, etc

I think Casey is lying ~ yet again.

 

[Turnadot]

I think the defense might use the incest angle as a mitigating factor during the sentencing phase. Whether or not KC was sexually abused...I don't know; I think the A family will just keep their mouths shut so that KC might avoid the needle, even if she was never sexually abused. If she was, then I am very sorry she went through that, as I am sorry for any victim of sexual abuse. However, I remain very skeptical because KC is a pathological liar and not above accusing innocent people of vile things.

The sociopath who cried wolf. A lot.

Just my opinions.

 

[sleutherontheside]

I was reading about Marti Mackenzie last night and found this excerpt from her book..Courting The Media.
http://www.courtingthemedia.com/media-relations/sample-chapter.shtml

A snip......
DuRocher, the public defender, was a seasoned lawyer and politician who had been elected to three terms of office. He wanted to add a media specialist to the Anderson defense team, "trying to save Tim Anderson’s life and get the best possible legal result," as he put it. The State Attorney's office was represented by a lawyer familiar with the local media and fully capable of handling all media inquiries and opportunities. DuRocher knew that "the state always wanted the benefit of a climate favorable to the outcome of a case" and wanted Tim Anderson to gain more control of this climate.


Because the state was seeking the death penalty for Anderson, even without meeting him I was interested in contributing to a media campaign to save his life. There was no question that he killed Rick Parker, but there was also a long history of abuse in their professional relationship, as well as other contributing factors that made a quest for a lesser conviction realistic.

In the wake of this publicity, there were two significant developments in the months before Anderson’s trial. On [DATE TK] the State Attorney's office announced that it was no longer seeking the death penalty, which they had previously been intending to do.

This is an excellent link and really parallels some of what we are seeing in KC's case. I am no longer of the opinion that the incest and abuse allegations are being explored for mitigation purposes BUT that they are been used in an effort to force the SA to take the DP off the table.

 

[Tulessa]

If it reflects badly on Casey in anyway it is not allowed...

Fixed that for you.:angel:

 

[Boots-OK]

IMO - JB & Co would be well advised to cease with the investigation of GA. He (George) is the ONE Anthony that has probably told more truths than any of them.

Now, at trial he can attempt to "spin" some of his more truthful answers (like maybe what he told the GJ) and downplay the seriousness - or he can further clarify and expand upon the information he gave. That could be damning for KC.

I wouldn't want to worry about which he would do if I were the defense.

MOO

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Originally Posted by ThinkTank
http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
page 4

"...And I also know how it feels to be sexually abused. It's taken a long time for me to forgive and I've been somewhat successful in doing so. The worst part is, when I tried to confide in someone before - Jesse, my Mom, they turned on me. I was to blame for my own brother walking into my room at night and feeling my breasts while I slept. I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted up over my chest or if I had on a regular bra it would be unhooked. Even if I was doing karate in my sleep, that wouldn't have happened. I woke up many times to a flashlight on my face and he would be sitting on my floor, in front of the bed staring at me. This went on for over 3 years before I finally stood up to Lee and told him if he ever came in my room again, I'd kill him. I was 15. It started just before I turned 12. When I told my Mom about it two years ago, she made excuses, saying that he was sleep walking. Not only did she say I was lying, but when I explained everything her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest - "So that's why you're a !!" I don't think having had sex with 7 or 1 people makes me a , but I could be wrong. Over the past few months, I've been having really vivid dreams, and it's obvious that they are dreams of things that have already happened. I think my Dad used to do the same thing to me but when I was much younger. I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was when I was in elementary school, and everything gets fuzzy. But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, the way I used to feel growing up. That's part of the reason I haven't been sleeping much or very well lately. Maybe that's part of the reason why I have so much anxiety with my parents. I was able to get passed things with Lee, and it was far from easy. I saw a doctor on my own when I was 18, no one knows that. I went to get help except for you now. I found the courage to finally tell him that I forgive him, and you know he never asked me what I was forgiving him for. I think he must have known that's why we're more friends than brother and sister. It's easier to look to him as my friend, but even with openly forgiving him, part of that pain will always live in me. Not knowing about my dad, it's opened up a whole new case of insecurity and I don't know if I want to know but I think I need to. Please pray for me."

seems this defense would seem fruitless since ICA admits herself, it stopped by the time she was 15...so...how would this link directly to the reason she allegedly took Caylee's life??? If it truly happened, it's already came to a screeching halt, 7 years prior! JMHO

I believe if any mitigation would work, it would be the dynamics between ICA and CA...seems the domineering, controlling, never can do anything right would be more compelling than an alleged molestation claim many years ago. Had she still been being molested at 22, then I'd think she'd have a better claim for molestation..and according to ICA, it only went as far as "fondling", no penetration...and as for GA, seems to come to her in "dreams"...lousy excuse to use for a lousy person as ICA...she truly doesn't care who she hurts...Caylee included...JMHO

Then I hate a woman who would use this excuse when it never occured. It adds insult to injury for those who have been...you can't use this defense if it didn't truly occur, I believe it will be transparent to any jury that it's an excuse with no substance...JMHO

Justice for Caylee