2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[Whome?]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/24321817/detail.html#

Guess Baez is watching the boards and doing damage control. They're not throwing George under the bus. They're gonna use the info with the suicide attempt to try and save her life....if they're unable to prove her innocence.

If this is true and JB is spending more money
and doing more investigating,then what was
Jeannene Barrett/Mitigation Specialist
paid for? :waitasec:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM: Okay, now there is a lie. We all know what type of person Jesse is and he never indicated in his testimony that he turned his back on her, called her a liar or did anything negative regarding what KC told him. It was KC who turned on Jesse...... Why??? Because he loved Caylee more than her. Sick, sick puppy, if you ask me. jmo

Iirc Jesse told LE that he just kind of dropped the topic - he didn't want to talk about it further. I can't remember his exact words but he was not equipped to discuss the subject with KC.

 

[ThinkTank]

BBM ~

Where did you read/hear that KC accused Lee of rape/incest? I remember someone telling LE that he would go into her room and look at her and uncover and look at her breasts. It creeped her out and she said she finally stood up to him. That accusation is weird enough itself but I missed the rape part. Is it true that KC accused him of raping her?

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155354.pdf

ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT
CASE NUMBER 07-074777

pg. 48 of 50

Jesse talking to police – Corporal Yuri Melich, Corporal Eric Edwards

Jesse also mentioned that in September of 2005, Casey had told him she didn’t feel comfortable around her brother Lee. Casey allegedly told him that before this day, Lee had tried to have sex with her. Jesse didn’t ask her to elaborate, but from the context of the conversation, he believed that Casey meant Lee had tried to pressure Casey into having sexual intercourse with her (refer to transcript pages 4-5).

 

[ZsaZsa]

I'm scratching my head here. According to Baez IF KC is convicted, the jury needs to know about George's suicide attempt because it will show:

"The loss of Caylee and the pain it has caused the family is very relevant to mitigation," Baez said.

So the jury is supposed to feel sorry for KC because her father attempted to commit suicide BECAUSE he knew his daughter killed his granddaughter? Oh yes, as a juror that would sure make me feel sorry for KC - NOT!

What kind of bizarre rationale is that? It's like the old cliche of the man who killed his parents and than asked for mercy because he was an orphan![/QUOTE]

That is the perfect saying for this situation just perfect thanks..

Do you get the feeling that Baez has spent his formative years watching Spanish language soap operas (novellas)? - they are very melodramatic and far fetched, about like him. His theories as to what might help in mitigation sound like they came straight from one of those stories...

 

[ThinkTank]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2010/0406/23069066.pdf
page 4

"...And I also know how it feels to be sexually abused. It's taken a long time for me to forgive and I've been somewhat successful in doing so. The worst part is, when I tried to confide in someone before - Jesse, my Mom, they turned on me. I was to blame for my own brother walking into my room at night and feeling my breasts while I slept. I woke up night after night with my sports bra lifted up over my chest or if I had on a regular bra it would be unhooked. Even if I was doing karate in my sleep, that wouldn't have happened. I woke up many times to a flashlight on my face and he would be sitting on my floor, in front of the bed staring at me. This went on for over 3 years before I finally stood up to Lee and told him if he ever came in my room again, I'd kill him. I was 15. It started just before I turned 12. When I told my Mom about it two years ago, she made excuses, saying that he was sleep walking. Not only did she say I was lying, but when I explained everything her reaction was literally like a knife in my chest - "So that's why you're a !!" I don't think having had sex with 7 or 1 people makes me a , but I could be wrong. Over the past few months, I've been having really vivid dreams, and it's obvious that they are dreams of things that have already happened. I think my Dad used to do the same thing to me but when I was much younger. I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was when I was in elementary school, and everything gets fuzzy. But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, the way I used to feel growing up. That's part of the reason I haven't been sleeping much or very well lately. Maybe that's part of the reason why I have so much anxiety with my parents. I was able to get passed things with Lee, and it was far from easy. I saw a doctor on my own when I was 18, no one knows that. I went to get help except for you now. I found the courage to finally tell him that I forgive him, and you know he never asked me what I was forgiving him for. I think he must have known that's why we're more friends than brother and sister. It's easier to look to him as my friend, but even with openly forgiving him, part of that pain will always live in me. Not knowing about my dad, it's opened up a whole new case of insecurity and I don't know if I want to know but I think I need to. Please pray for me."

 

[ZsaZsa]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1126/18155354.pdf

ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF’S OFFICE INVESTIGATIVE REPORT
CASE NUMBER 07-074777

pg. 48 of 50

Jesse talking to police – Corporal Yuri Melich, Corporal Eric Edwards

Jesse also mentioned that in September of 2005, Casey had told him she didn’t feel comfortable around her brother Lee. Casey allegedly told him that before this day, Lee had tried to have sex with her. Jesse didn’t ask her to elaborate, but from the context of the conversation, he believed that Casey meant Lee had tried to pressure Casey into having sexual intercourse with her (refer to transcript pages 4-5).

Did he believe her at that stage? I wonder...

 

[ThinkTank]

http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/24328486/detail.html
George Anthony's attorney, Brad Conway, said mitigation evidence would involve events that lead up to Caylee's death.
"They're going to have to prove the relevancy of a suicide attempt after the fact," Conway said.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/en...nvestigating-george.html?wpmp_switcher=mobile

Jose Baez told WESH’s Bob Kealing that Casey’s defense team is “obligated to investigate everything.” But Kealing said when he asked if the defense is investigating Cindy and Lee Anthony, Baez didn’t answer.
Mitigation would involve evidence leading up to Caylee’s death, Brad Conway, George Anthony’s attorney, told WESH. Conway questioned why George’s suicide attempt, which came after Caylee’s death, would be relevant.
Conway didn’t sound surprised by the news about the defense team investigating George. “I expected they would investigate George just like any other witness,” Conway told WESH.

But Jeff Dowdy, an attorney with death penalty experience, told WESH that he questioned the defense’s contention that George Anthony was being investigated just for the mitigation phase. “That just doesn’t make any sense,” Dowdy said.
Instead, Dowdy speculated that the defense will treat George Anthony as a hostile witness because his testimony is valuable to the prosecution.

 

[Snaz]

Look, if everyone doesn't think for one minute that the defense team has not had round table discussions with CA and GA about trying to do whatever it takes to save their princess, think again. The real story is that KC is a sociopath, like we have said all along. She told Jesse and Tony the molestation story for real, and she wrote about it in letters to her jail friend. All of this has been revealed over time to JB and Company. Hmmmmm, little tiny brain wheels start turning, and voila.......a defense is born. Like I said before, Lee is young with his life ahead of him...so he wouldn't do. But George, George would be the perfect patsy. He's distanced himself from the family....since the letters came out (or so we think by his non-appearances in court). He is now being investigated by JB and Co. Looks like he will be the one. As to whether or not he has given his blessing to this strategy.......well I for one believe he would DO ANYTHING to get KC off. He could care less about his name being sullied for goodness sake....look at what has happened in the last two years. One more rung down the ladder won't really matter to him anymore.

I hear what you are saying, but I stand by my belief that George would NOT take this laying down IF he is not guilty.

Again, I believe if he admitted to this, or it could be proved he did it, he could still be prosecuted. And as much as George pays lip service to "selling his soul" to get KC out of jail, I don't think he would put himself in prison in her place.

I just don't.

But that's JMO.

 

[ThinkTank]

I can't hear what Baez is saying in his media clips, over the roaring sound of a huge diesel BUS heading towards George!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I am beginning to think that they all live in some alternate reality! The whole bunch of them!

BBM ~

Beginning? What took you so long? :snail:

 

[Purple Iris]

BBM

Who sleeps with a bra on? Is this common? I certainly don't.

Who wouldn't wake up if someone was unhooking their bra or pulling a sports bra over their head? Those things are tight!

Actually ~ I did when it was happening to me.
I even went as far as sleeping with my clothes on finally, and when my mother caught me doing that, she raised the roof.
I was afraid at the time to tell her ~
When I did finally break down she did nothing to protect or correct the situation other than confronting my step father.
He denied it, and it was case closed ~ though he did stop his attempts then.

 

[nums24]

BBM ~

Beginning? What took you so long? :snail:

That was a bad word choice, I'm a :loser:!

I am very happy to see the defense scrambling to find a defense! It reaffirms that there will be Justice for Caylee, it may be at a snail's pace, but it will come!

 

[Snaz]

Baez told WESH 2, "We're obligated to investigate everything."

"The loss of Caylee and the pain it has caused the family is very relevant to mitigation," Baez said."

Looking at JB's above statement just shows what a poor, poor excuse of a lawyer he really is. Any lawyer worth his salt would have said, "In the unlikely event that we get to a mitigation phase", or " In the one in a million chance"..... This is what a lawyer would say if he was totally convinced of his client's innocence. imo

I'm not sure I believe his excuse of mitigation anyway.... he is saying that now because he got found out. I believe he is trying to find a way to blame Caylee's death on GA..... not necessarily that he killed her, because I think even JB realizes most people would NEVER believe GA killed his granddaughter.

No matter how little love he shows now by NOT standing up for justice for CAYLEE, I do believe he loved her in the only way he knows how to love.

 

[impatientredhead]

I hear what you are saying, but I stand by my belief that George would NOT take this laying down IF he is not guilty.

Again, I believe if he admitted to this, or it could be proved he did it, he could still be prosecuted. And as much as George pays lip service to "selling his soul" to get KC out of jail, I don't think he would put himself in prison in her place.

I just don't.

But that's JMO.

How do you defend yourself against allegations that have no evidence in either direction? In the court of public opinion no less.

And while I do not see George falsely admitting to molestation to spare her life, I wouldn't put it past Cindy to verify her claims. George's sullied reputation up against her daughter being executed. George is low man on the totem poll in my opinion.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Actually disciplining a sociopath makes them escalate their actions. They are determined to win any and all power plays.

Oh-oh. They should track down the counselor who CA supposedly saw then. She's the one who advised CA to kick Casey and Caylee to the curb. They can make a case that it's her fault. :crazy:

 

[ThinkTank]

I'm not sure I believe his excuse of mitigation anyway.... he is saying that now because he got found out. I believe he is trying to find a way to blame Caylee's death on GA..... not necessarily that he killed her, because I think even JB realizes most people would NEVER believe GA killed his granddaughter.

No matter how little love he shows now by NOT standing up for justice for CAYLEE, I do believe he loved her in the only way he knows how to love.

Attorney Brad Conway and Attorney Jeff Dowdy (with DP experience) both say that JB's excuse for mitigation makes NO SENSE.
And I assert that one does not have to be an attorney to figure out that what JB is saying does not make sense.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Attorney Brad Conway and Attorney Jeff Dowdy (with DP experience) both say that JB's excuse for mitigation makes NO SENSE.
And I assert that one does not have to be an attorney to figure out that what JB is saying does not make sense.

....because Baez is lying.

 

[ynotdivein]

I'm not sure I believe his excuse of mitigation anyway.... he is saying that now because he got found out. I believe he is trying to find a way to blame Caylee's death on GA..... not necessarily that he killed her, because I think even JB realizes most people would NEVER believe GA killed his granddaughter.

No matter how little love he shows now by NOT standing up for justice for CAYLEE, I do believe he loved her in the only way he knows how to love.

Snaz, I hate to say this, but as someone who has this kind of abuse in their family (and many many of us do, and never speak of it)... this is the kind of statement that can be seen as a double-edged sword.

 

[ZsaZsa]

Actually disciplining a sociopath makes them escalate their actions. They are determined to win any and all power plays.

She should have been disciplined YEARS ago- they were too cowardly to do the tough love thing with Casey, it was always whatever would keep the peace...and as result she felt nothing but absolute contempt for them both, but particularly for CA.... GA was impotent with CA undermining anything he ever tried to do to control her. If they couldn't discipline/control her they should have let the Legal system do it for them. Their enabling has cost Caylee her life.

 

[impatientredhead]

I hear what you are saying, but I stand by my belief that George would NOT take this laying down IF he is not guilty.

Again, I believe if he admitted to this, or it could be proved he did it, he could still be prosecuted. And as much as George pays lip service to "selling his soul" to get KC out of jail, I don't think he would put himself in prison in her place.

I just don't.

But that's JMO.

Statute of limitations in Florida is 4 years from the event, or four years from the time it was known to the victim it was a crime (Which we have seen documentation that Casey claimed this over four years ago).

She would still be within the statute of limitation for a civil case, being under the age of 25 and/or less than six years from the time she was no longer in that persons charge (She is financially dependent).

But criminally it is a four year window which she has now exceeded, and that is the current standard. The actual statute of limitation is determined by the law that was in place at the time of the event. If a rape involving a weapon occured that would change the timelines, but we have seen zero evidence of that claim.

Now if the claim is he was molesting Caylee causing Casey to flip out, that has not been four years (clearly) but again would be next to impossible to prove unless he confessed.