2010.07.19 Defense is Investigating George

[logicalgirl]

I heard this on the video also and wondered the same thing. I don't remember talking about that before.

Is GA really JW's daughter's godfather and for how long?

This coming from a woman who has been Baker Acted FIVE times. Let's do a reality check......

 

[Numbers]

This coming from a woman who has been Baker Acted FIVE times. Let's do a reality check......

I checked and Joy's not there.

 

[Paintr]

I checked and Joy's not there.

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:

 

[Woe.be.gone]

It's funny how we can all hear the exact same words but interpret them very differently. I thought Casey was berating CA for having the audacity to say such a thing. Casey said Zany took her and that's what CA should believe. Casey was ticked that CA questioned her credibility and she was furious that she did it during one of her 'cameos'. Casey was combative, rude, obnoxious, and showed no signs of being afraid of Cindy. It was like Cindy was walking on egg shells so she wouldn't upset Casey.

Casey goes on to say something like are you *ing kidding me, I don't know where she is.

IMO

Well you know GA (and CA I guess) only want to keep KC happy. (as told to LE by GA during the car ride to the jail). GA repeated at least twice that he's trying to keep KC happy. LE was :waitasec: thinking that a strange statement imo. Why would GA be so intent on keeping KC happy? :banghead:

Why wouldn't GA be more concerned about getting KC to cough up information on where/what happened to Caylee versus keeping KC happy? This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Neither did it make sense to LE imo.

 

[strawberry]

This is exactly how I took it, as well.....

Me four.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

This coming from a woman who has been Baker Acted FIVE times. Let's do a reality check......

What's your point? Do you mean that nothing JW says is ever true?
I'm not being snide, I really want to know.
I know we have to take anything said with a grain of salt but I still wonder why she said that. She seems fond of GA.

 

[Numbers]

Well you know GA (and CA I guess) only want to keep KC happy. (as told to LE by GA during the car ride to the jail). GA repeated at least twice that he's trying to keep KC happy. LE was :waitasec: thinking that a strange statement imo. Why would GA be so intent on keeping KC happy? :banghead:

Why wouldn't GA be more concerned about getting KC to cough up information on where/what happened to Caylee versus keeping KC happy? This doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Neither did it make sense to LE imo.

I think George and Cindy both learned over the years that an UNhappy Casey is something like an irate Tasmanian Devil. They would go to great lengths to avoid that particular persona from coming out, because then they'd have to deal with it. So much easier to placate.

 

[logicalgirl]

What's your point? Do you mean that nothing JW says is ever true?
I'm not being snide, I really want to know.
I know we have to take anything said with a grain of salt but I still wonder why she said that. She seems fond of GA.

I don't know if JW ever says anything that's true. But for someone who has been forcibly committed at least five times, my first reaction would be to doubt her, at least until George and Cindy confirmed the godfather status, and I could see a baptismal certificate with his name on it.

I took her rambling to mean she thought of George as a strong protector, and more in terms of The Godfather - and she (JW) had appointed him to watch over her daughter as a form of protection. I could be completely out in the field about this one.

But not about JW's credibility.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

I think George and Cindy both learned over the years that an UNhappy Casey is something like an irate Tasmanian Devil. They would go to great lengths to avoid that particular persona from coming out, because then they'd have to deal with it. So much easier to placate.

I understand that. But imo that reason doesn't fly under the circumstances. KC is behind bars, their granddaughter is missing - what do they have to loose by pressing KC hard for answers? They're either really stupid (like GA likes to claim he isn't) or KC's holding something over their heads. :twocents:

 

[sumbunny]

I don't believe casey would hold back anything if she were not guilty. I don't think she'd have a problem throwing a.n.y.o.n.e under the bus if it meant her freedom., IMHO.

I do think George and Cindy thought that if they were nice to Casey, she'd trust them to tell where Caylee was, or..what truly happened.

I also believe that Casey being irate to Cindy and George is what she's always done. It's always worked for her, to get her way.


Again, just my 2 cents

 

[OneLostGrl]

This coming from a woman who has been Baker Acted FIVE times. Let's do a reality check......

Wanna know how many times I have been "baker acted"( though I didn't live in florida and there is no "baker act" in CT were I was held against my will it is the same thing... a civil commitment)? I'm sorry but that is insulting- do you know how many people in society have been "baker acted"? Millions! Just because a person has a history of being in psych hospitals doesn't mean they are a liar or stupid or a freak or someone who people can't ever trust. To judge someone for going to the hospital when they need help is wrong, the stigma that comes with that is very scary.. people need to know it's OK to get help if they need it.. it's the right thing to do, to get help! Joy is just a liar and a fake and a story teller... but getting help is always the right thing to do and a person should not be judged as a liar or untrustworthy for doing so.

Edited to bold my opinion of Joy.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I think George and Cindy both learned over the years that an UNhappy Casey is something like an irate Tasmanian Devil. They would go to great lengths to avoid that particular persona from coming out, because then they'd have to deal with it. So much easier to placate.

And we, the public have learned that an unhappy Cindy is something like an irate Tasmanian Devil as well.

 

[debs]

I think George and Cindy both learned over the years that an UNhappy Casey is something like an irate Tasmanian Devil. They would go to great lengths to avoid that particular persona from coming out, because then they'd have to deal with it. So much easier to placate.

I might have agreed if I hadn't witnessed for myself the family dynamics which causes that Devil to start twisting, and that Devil had two tails, Casey and Cindy.

In one of the visit videos, Cindy winds Casey up, gets Casey to reject her in favor of her father, gives George the phone, only to then dictate through George how the conversation should go, until unsatisfied with that, takes the phone back and attempts to pacify Casey as though George had caused Casey to get riled up in the first place.

Oh, we've seen this play out many many many times.

 

[marspiter]

Wanna know how many times I have been "baker acted"( though I didn't live in florida and there is no "baker act" in CT were I was held against my will it is the same thing... a civil commitment)? I'm sorry but that is insulting- do you know how many people in society have been "baker acted"? Millions! Just because a person has a history of being in psych hospitals doesn't mean they are a liar or stupid or a freak or someone who people can't ever trust. To judge someone for going to the hospital when they need help is wrong, the stigma that comes with that is very scary.. people need to know it's OK to get help if they need it.. it's the right thing to do, to get help! Joy is just a liar and a fake and a story teller... but getting help is always the right thing to do and a person should not be judged as a liar or untrustworthy for doing so.

I agree someone with serious mental health issues who is unwilling to receive help and the family is genuinely worried need to have the ability to get that person help should they be a danger to themselves or others. Yes there is a certain stigma to individuals with mental health issues mainly from a misunderstanding by the general public. A stigma which I agree is wrong.

However that being said when one has been baker acted or involuntarily committed it can effect their legal reliability as a witness. This is not to say that the person is untrustworthy but they may not be considered reliable dependent upon the type of mental health issue they have and their current level of treatment.

I believe in this case Joy W. would and should be considered an unreliable witness in this case. Not to take light of someones plight with mental illness or to poke fun at those with serious mental health problems, but lets face it Joy is for lack of a better term is, shall we say a few deviations from the norm.

 

[OneLostGrl]

I agree someone with serious mental health issues who is unwilling to receive help and the family is genuinely worried need to have the ability to get that person help should they be a danger to themselves or others. Yes there is a certain stigma to individuals with mental health issues mainly from a misunderstanding by the general public. A stigma which I agree is wrong.

However that being said when one has been baker acted or involuntarily committed it can effect their legal reliability as a witness. This is not to say that the person is untrustworthy but they may not be considered reliable dependent upon the type of mental health issue they have and their current level of treatment.

I believe in this case Joy W. would and should be considered an unreliable witness in this case. Not to take light of someones plight with mental illness or to poke fun at those with serious mental health problems, but lets face it Joy is for lack of a better term is, shall we say a few deviations from the norm.

Joy is clearly unreliable in any way shape or form imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Anyway, this thread isn't about JW but I just wondered if her relationship with the A's has a long history or if they've only known each other since the news broke about Caylee being missing. JW may have self appointed GA as her daughter's godfather recently - I don't know.

He may be reading here and saying, :waitasec: that's news to me!

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Joy is clearly unreliable in any way shape or form imo.

One thing we can say about her though is that she goes out of her way to honor Caylee's memory. She creates posters, adorns the memorial site with flowers, etc. At least she did in prior to and in May 2009. She doesn't seem to be an unkind person.:waitasec:

 

[OneLostGrl]

Are you saying George duct taped Caylee, put her in trash bags/laundry bag then put her body in Casey's car?

nono that was woe's post.. mine was respoding to hers but It messed up after I responded to it and now I can't delete it. It had my response in it when I posted and but my response is gone now.

 

[OneLostGrl]

One thing we can say about her though is that she goes out of her way to honor Caylee's memory. She creates posters, adorns the memorial site with flowers, etc. At least she did in prior to and in May 2009. She doesn't seem to be an unkind person.:waitasec:

IMO she's probably just an empty human being (has no passion- no zing in her life) and found meaning and purpose with this case.. something to make her feel. She's wacked, don't get me wrong- I see that.. can't miss that LOL I think she could possibly even have Bipolar.. it's common behavior for Bipolar, grabbing onto things with all youve got and giving it all youve got and living and breathing for it. Living manically or not at all. I wouldn't be surprised if she have a history of getting involved in this kind of thing. But I think she's probably pretty much harmless and just wants to be seen as important to this case because this case is so important to her. I admit, I feel bad for her.. her hunger for attention, her need. It's sad. but I ain't gonna lie- she annoys me and I feel bad for her kids.

 

[WellDone]

OOPs! WHETHER.... baker acted or not... her actions & lies are bizarre & scary!!!!

I'm torn on this subject specifically cuz JW(specifically) seems "proud" of being baker acted for multiple times & tells everyone. I have to wonder why????

Not that it is shameful & should be hidden, I'm not saying that at all, you are definitely right..... help should be sought without the stigma.... HOWEVER.... how does that just pop up in casual conversation??????

I don't understand it to the point of wondering if she feels it's justifies her the freedom to act in outrageous ways without being TRULY held accountable...???? KWIM???? Then again... is that the norm.... like part of a 12 step program???????

BBM

Wanna know how many times I have been "baker acted"( though I didn't live in florida and there is no "baker act" in CT were I was held against my will it is the same thing... a civil commitment)? I'm sorry but that is insulting- do you know how many people in society have been "baker acted"? Millions! Just because a person has a history of being in psych hospitals doesn't mean they are a liar or stupid or a freak or someone who people can't ever trust. To judge someone for going to the hospital when they need help is wrong, the stigma that comes with that is very scary.. people need to know it's OK to get help if they need it.. it's the right thing to do, to get help! Joy is just a liar and a fake and a story teller... but getting help is always the right thing to do and a person should not be judged as a liar or untrustworthy for doing so.

Edited to bold my opinion of Joy.