2010.07.19 - Terry Shoemaker's comments to Art Harris RE: Misty

[Black Water]

I have a question, and I'm not sure where to ask it, so here's good. lol. Is there anything stopping Crystal from bringing civil chargers against Ron and Misty for oh, IDK...child endangerment or something. It would get the case in court right? Thinking of the OJ mess and wondering why that would not work here.

ETA. Also the Hormans are threatening civil action against someone who may be holding back info and not cooperating with LE. So would it work here?

How do we know Ron is holding back info? I think Crystal should start with Kim P. at least she has some money.

 

[Black Water]

None of the players in this case could sell their story until AFTER a trial. they need the trial to back them up.

Because the players have either been caught in too many lies to be believed or have refused to talk to LE so cannot risk talking to anyone who wants to buy their story.

I thought the rumor was the other seven signed a movie deal with Sheffield Marty. Who is he? I think just a rumor but on local forums.

 

[Black Water]

Civil action is on your own dime, that is true. And often the cases are dragged out in court practically forever, and the longer it takes the more it costs. However, if Crystal had a way to do this, I would like to see her try. It makes my skin crawl to know that R and M will likely never be prosecuted and will probably benefit financially to boot.

ETA: 1Chump is right, there is no evidence available to sue for wrongful death since there is no evidence of how Haleigh died or even IF she has died. Suing for child endangerment is possible, but not very likely. It would be hard to prove who was negligent and how they were negligent. Still, Crystal suing at some point down the road is not out of the realm of possibility, should evidence come available that she could use successfully. Personally, I would like to see it but I doubt she will pursue it.

Its you own dime if the lawyer does not smell a percent.

 

[Black Water]

One would hope that the only deal the SA will offer is for truthful information about Haleigh. But we must consider that Ron could have been involved in other criminal activity in that area, or could otherwise have information on other criminal activity. Maybe the SA needs information to solve another unsolved crime, or to put some bigger fish drug dealers away. If Ron can supply that, I can see the state dealing with him on his trafficking charges in exchange for that information. And I can see the SA offering Ron immunity if he provides information on major perps involved in a crime or crimes that he may have been involved in himself. That would be immunity for those crimes only, not immunity from prosecution for Haleigh; I hope and pray he never is offered that!

As much as we want Ron's deal to mean he is required to spill all in regard to Haleigh, it might not go that way at all. Or it might go exactly that way, and Ron might find his August court date looming with a less-than-sweet deal.

In the end, it all boils down to how serious Putnam County courts and prosecutors are about crime in that area and from what I have seen so far, I am not impressed.

Nobody thinks it odd that the deal was going to be for going against Misty in her drug trial and now that she is going to plead out, they have another reason to give him a deal. Maybe they just want to give him a deal. Public Opinion being what it is they need an excuse. Not like it is uncommon for them to deal anyway. This just gets worse and worse.

 

[Black Water]

If they never intended to prosecute him, he would never have been arrested and we would not have seen his tapes, if Misty was truly the one they were after. I am sure there were way more benefits for the LE to have Ron running around and Misty in jail, stewing wondering what Ron was doing, but thats not how it went down. This isn't some joke arrest and ruse like the Cummings/Sykes/Neves families want us to beleive.

jmo

Right, like they could just cut Ron out of the tapes and only charge Misty. That would go over so well. They wanted Misty and the rest were icing on the cake. Tommy turns out to be the cherry on top of the banana split.

 

[lonetraveler]

Who knows? Anything could happen on this case. Nothing surprises me anymore. Ron could up and say that Haleigh was accidentally killed and he and his mother panicked and hid her body and concocted the kidnapping plot because the custody court case was coming up and they did not want to lose Ron Jr. either. The Croslins could have been brought in to cast suspicion onto them. Misty and Tommy may not have any idea where Haleigh is.

How much time can you get with an accidential death, hiding a dead body, lying to the police and whatever else? He could agree to take LE to Haleigh's body and get a deal on his sentence. Stranger things have happened, believe me. Just thinking outloud about possibilities of Ron's plea.:waitasec:

 

[Whisperer]

Ron and misty have exhausted me....

 

[Chablis]

Right, like they could just cut Ron out of the tapes and only charge Misty. That would go over so well. They wanted Misty and the rest were icing on the cake. Tommy turns out to be the cherry on top of the banana split.

Actually, Misty had a charge with Donna, and with Tommy. Two charges were more than sufficient to get her behind bars for a bit. The other tapes did not have to be exposed if the intent was to protect Ron.

jmo

 

[Black Water]

As a result of what he’s done so far in the Haleigh case, he’s found a small window of opportunity.



Obviously, Ron hasn't done much, Haleigh hasn't been found, and it seems no one is actually close to being charged and Ronnie is still looking at 15 years. Other than alert Misty to snitches (i.e. Donna Brock) and spreading Misty and Tommy's lies (i.e. the alligator story) I seriously wonder what he has done other than trafficking and engaging in car chases, killing rats and threatening to kill himself and others. I'm not buying the bs story LE told him to marry her then told him to divorce her or any of that bs. Wonder why he hasn't claimed LE told him to go out and sell drugs with her ?

His mom almost did.

 

[Black Water]

You're right, Lil Momma, what CAN he do? Nothing....

That's why I believe that there are others on the outside, that is well aware of the threats made to Misty and her family, and will act on them if they have to. For Ron of course.

JMO though

But Tommy Croslin put Ron Cummings in jail before. In jail house tapes Tommy point at Ron Cummings and Tommy and Hank Sr both know full well those tapes are played to the public. If they are so scared then why would they do that?

 

[Black Water]

Dodie, I just don't believe that all of this was one big set up to get Misty. I really can't wrap my mind around that. If LE did ask Ron to divorce Misty, IMO, it was because they knew as long as she was up under Ron they would not be able to get to the truth. I wanted Ron to divorce her too. Only because I felt like Misty was being controlled and manipulated by the Cummings clan and if she got away from them we might get closer to finding out what happened to our Haleigh. IMO, Misty was isolated.
Like you said, Dodie, if Ron was working with LE what did it accomplish???
Misty behind bars
Tommy behind bars
AND RON behind bars on dang near a million dollar bond! What part of the plan was that?:waitasec:
IMO, LE wanted to make sure they had both Ron and Misty behind bars with no way out by giving them extremely high bonds.

JMO of course

What is Tommy Croslin's Bond?

 

[Black Water]

Under what type of justification could the SA and Judge possibly be a part of a deal with Ronald Cummings in this drug case that results in his sentence being equal to or possibly even less than Hope Sykes received?

Have they not seen the videos that we all saw?

Have they not reviewed his prior arrest record?

Did they not see him handing the drugs to the UC officer and taking the money to complete the sale(s)?

Did they not see him receive a 200 pill quantity of illegal narcotics from the UC officer and discuss specific payment terms that were a part of his purchase?

Did they not hear Ronald Cummings assure the UC officer that two weeks to get the money was NO problem, that he could work and get the money and eat the pills himself in a two week period?

Why are we having to hear Shoemaker talk about a "window of opportunity" and "that was nice of them" in reference to the SA?

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office and other cooperating agencies did a masterful job of securing the arrests of all these drug dealing criminals. If it's all undone by a Judge and SA, you need look no further for the problem in Putnam County, Florida.

Shoemaker will do well if Ron Cummings gets a real good deal. Like I said maybe they just want to give him a deal. Seems strange first he will get one to testify against Tommy and Misty. Then Tommy and Misty Plea out and low and behold yet another deal. JMO

 

[Black Water]

IDK, this one may need a thread of it's own but AH has a new article up today. It's got previously unheard quotes from Fields, Shoemaker, Steve Brown, and Lt. Greenwood. One that jumped out to me was:



I don't get it. If Tommy and Misty both are pleading no contest, what exactly is Ronald Cummings supposedly bringing to the table for his "deal"?

They will find something.

 

[Black Water]

Apparently one of these charges is a very small amount ( I did not know this) and rc wants one more 15 yr minimum charged knocked off. That will leave him with x1 fifteen minimum and x1 three yr minimum. He is hoping to get 8-10 years instead of 15 (split down the middle). I believe that is Shoe's latest tactic and that is why the delay and attempts at getting the State to drop ONE more charge. RC has to come up with something good to get it.

That explains it. I had no idea.

 

[1Chump]

How do we know Ron is holding back info? I think Crystal should start with Kim P. at least she has some money.

Ron stopped talking to LE in March 2009 when he hired an attorney. Ron himself said that he was done.


Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-09/story/haleighs_family_remains_divided_6_months_later


IMO, refusing to answer ANY questions because "you" had nothing to do with your child being missing is holding back information. Especially when you only "married" the last known person to see Haleigh to get information from her to help find your daughter but refused to talk to LE to share that info.

His attorney even admits that Ron has not answered LE's questions in the past 1 1/2 years and they have questions for him.

That would happen Shoemaker said, in exchange "for giving all information he has regarding everything and anything they ask him."

Shoemaker could not specify what that would entail, but he said that it would encompass, "everything that is pending throughout the whole year and a half."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/07/20/news/news01.txt

IMO, they had Ron over a barrel.....either agree to answer our questions or you will go for the maximum.

IMO, they still have Ron over a barrel. That Ron is agreeing to "answer everything and anything they ask him" suggest to me he does not have immunity. They do not give full immunity and/or blind immunity. They don't need Ron. Ron needs them if he does not want to spend the rest of his life in jail. Yes, they know Ron is going to lie. However, part of that deal will include the words "truthfully." If they can catch Ron in a lie, there goes his deal. If Ron does not "fully" cooperate, there goes his deal.

IMO, I would love to be a fly on that wall. Ron has no idea of what "evidence" they do have. Ron is used to talking his way out of things. There is a HUGE chance that Ron is going to either get caught lying or have to take the 5th.

IMO, it is about time that Ron is put in the hot seat.

 

[Concerned Papa]

Ron stopped talking to LE in March 2009 when he hired an attorney. Ron himself said that he was done.


Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.
http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2009-08-09/story/haleighs_family_remains_divided_6_months_later


IMO, refusing to answer ANY questions because "you" had nothing to do with your child being missing is holding back information. Especially when you only "married" the last known person to see Haleigh to get information from her to help find your daughter but refused to talk to LE to share that info.

His attorney even admits that Ron has not answered LE's questions in the past 1 1/2 years and they have questions for him.

That would happen Shoemaker said, in exchange "for giving all information he has regarding everything and anything they ask him."

Shoemaker could not specify what that would entail, but he said that it would encompass, "everything that is pending throughout the whole year and a half."

http://www.palatkadailynews.com/articles/2010/07/20/news/news01.txt

IMO, they had Ron over a barrel.....either agree to answer our questions or you will go for the maximum.

IMO, they still have Ron over a barrel. That Ron is agreeing to "answer everything and anything they ask him" suggest to me he does not have immunity. They do not give full immunity and/or blind immunity. They don't need Ron. Ron needs them if he does not want to spend the rest of his life in jail. Yes, they know Ron is going to lie. However, part of that deal will include the words "truthfully." If they can catch Ron in a lie, there goes his deal. If Ron does not "fully" cooperate, there goes his deal.

IMO, I would love to be a fly on that wall. Ron has no idea of what "evidence" they do have. Ron is used to talking his way out of things. There is a HUGE chance that Ron is going to either get caught lying or have to take the 5th.

IMO, it is about time that Ron is put in the hot seat.

That's a succinct and accurate analysis of the position Mr. Cummings has placed himself into. He's only going to have three choices. He can tell the truth, lie, or plead the 5th either of which will provide answers long overdue.

Hmmm....Suggested Questions For The SA To Ask Ronald Cummings In Exchange For A Plea Bargain.

Sounds like a catchy new thread title doesn't it?

 

[lil momma]

If Ron pleads the 5th on the stand to one question, doesn't he have to plead the 5th to every question? therefore making his plea deal information useless? (b/c he can't answer any of the questions)

Would he then have to do full time?

 

[Whisperer]

The Fifth is lethal. You take the fifth for many different reasons, ususally to not incriminate yourself in a crime. By the time the questioning starts, you wind up looking totally guilty because of the type of questions they throw at you. You are in a helpless situation once you sit in that chair pleading a Fifth. I can't see rc ever doing that.

 

[Helplessly Hoping]

The Fifth is lethal. You take the fifth for many different reasons, ususally to not incriminate yourself in a crime. By the time the questioning starts, you wind up looking totally guilty because of the type of questions they throw at you. You are in a helpless situation once you sit in that chair pleading a Fifth. I can't see rc ever doing that.

IMHO, Ron will plead and never see a trial, unless it is for Tommy or Misty when he testifies. :banghead:

 

[Concerned Papa]

I like the quote from Fields at the new AH article:

“Giving Ronald a plea deal is like giving the 4 star general a deal to testify against a private.”