2010.07.19 - Terry Shoemaker's comments to Art Harris RE: Misty

[Zoe Bogart]

Hmmm, I only see charges for less than 30 gr. for Misty on both the incident reports and the warrants. I don't think anyone was looking at a life sentence, per say, although when added up for Misty, it would equal longer than her life expectancy. If they sentenced her accordingly.

Just looking through my files, I don't have Donna's incident report. Does anyone have it? I do see where Ms Misty was involved in every incident report. Every one.

 

[krkrjx]

So you are saying I HAVE lost my mind? LOL Gee, that was a short trip for sure!

Why does Misty have charges of over 30 KG? Are you saying she is looking at two life sentences?

The bond amounts are confusing and of no help to me because Misty's 4 GRAMS Less than 30 KG is $250,000 and then one of her OVER 30 KG charges is listed at $150,000.

I could have sworn RC's charges were broken down by three charges of 14 grams - 28 grams and two charges of 28 grams - 30 KG. So they are just encompassing all of his charges within the 4 grams - 30 KG?

I'm TOTALLY confused now. Let me see I can find an earlier shot of Ron's charges as they were broken down within the various degrees or a straight jacket. I think the straight jacket would be easier at this point.

Sue, I have not researched it but the type of drug sometimes makes a difference. In the FL statutes about trafficking, certain pills carry higher penalties over other pills. I will say that the wording on Ron's charges was changed from what it originally stated. But the bond amounts remain the same so it appears as though the penalties remain the same, IMO. I do not think either of his 25-year charges have been reduced...yet.

 

[Chablis]

Sue, I have not researched it but the type of drug sometimes makes a difference. In the FL statutes about trafficking, certain pills carry higher penalties over other pills. I will say that the wording on Ron's charges was changed from what it originally stated. But the bond amounts remain the same so it appears as though the penalties remain the same, IMO. I do not think either of his 25-year charges have been reduced...yet.

If he does not get at least 25 years, it is a terrible misjustice of something going on down there. We know Rons pleas have been delayed and he has the right I guess to hold out for something to his liking, but I dont think the cops are giving in to his "desires" this time. He has nothing to work with but tell what he did to his daughter, that is the only thing that can knock two 25 year charges off you, Ron cant go out and be a drug informant and more than Tommy could have.

What if Ron said, I will tell you what happened to Haleigh, but only if you give me 15 years in prison for everything. He could play hardball like that, and that could put the LE in a hard spot. I just wonder if he used that, could they then arrest him for knowing what happened to her, or if there is no proof, he really holds the upper card. I think the state is going to throw him away for at least 45 years. Hes doing time one way or another. jmo

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Not only do they have video tape of those drug deals, they also have telephone calls from Ms Misty stating her money was stolen from one drug deal, and she asked the UC if he wanted more pills. (Call #1)

In Call #2 she tells UC she can get more pills tonight and more tomorrow. And so it goes, at least seven telephone calls between Misty and the undercover detective, with at least one of those calls not being recorded.

This little gal was trying very hard to play with the big boys.

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/2010-336.pdf

Throughout all the incident reports it's stated LE has compact disks containing audio, video, and telephone recordings, plus the pills. Why do they need Ronald's testimony against Misty on these drug charges? They don't. Is Shoemaker just wishful thinking, as was Werter?

Shall we also mention these people were doing their deals in the vicinity of McDonald's, where children frequent, endangering them, too?

 

[krkrjx]

If he does not get at least 25 years, it is a terrible misjustice of something going on down there. We know Rons pleas have been delayed and he has the right I guess to hold out for something to his liking, but I dont think the cops are giving in to his "desires" this time. He has nothing to work with but tell what he did to his daughter, that is the only thing that can knock two 25 year charges off you, Ron cant go out and be a drug informant and more than Tommy could have.

What if Ron said, I will tell you what happened to Haleigh, but only if you give me 15 years in prison for everything. He could play hardball like that, and that could put the LE in a hard spot. I just wonder if he used that, could they then arrest him for knowing what happened to her, or if there is no proof, he really holds the upper card. I think the state is going to throw him away for at least 45 years. Hes doing time one way or another. jmo

I hope you are right, Chablis. All I can think of at this point is how RC has always skated in the past. It's true his priors are not serious but we really do not know that any or all were not reduced from something far more serious.

 

[krkrjx]

Not only do they have video tape of those drug deals, they also have telephone calls from Ms Misty stating her money was stolen from one drug deal, and she asked the UC if he wanted more pills. (Call #1)

In Call #2 she tells UC she can get more pills tonight and more tomorrow. And so it goes, at least seven telephone calls between Misty and the undercover detective, with at least one of those calls not being recorded.

This little gal was trying very hard to play with the big boys.

http://download.gannett.edgesuite.net/wtlv/docs/2010-336.pdf

Throughout all the incident reports it's stated LE has compact disks containing audio, video, and telephone recordings, plus the pills. Why do they need Ronald's testimony against Misty on these drug charges? They don't. Is Shoemaker just wishful thinking, as was Werter?

Shall we also mention these people were doing their deals in the vicinity of McDonald's, where children frequent, endangering them, too?

There is no defense for any of them on these drug charges, which is why one by one they are pleading out. Three down, two to go. They have Misty like a deer in headlights. And they have Ron too...if they want him. My question is, do they want him?

 

[Zoe Bogart]

Even if Misty is the "brains" of the outfit (explaining how they got caught), they have RC stating HE can get more pills, plus they have him eating a few, and telling the UC they were shorted by their source!

 

[Chablis]

Even if Misty is the "brains" of the outfit (explaining how they got caught), they have RC stating HE can get more pills, plus they have him eating a few, and telling the UC they were shorted by their source!

I dont get how anyone can look at those tapes and not see she was nothing more than a mule. He helped count those pills out, and as soon as he did he gave them to her, I think he looks the worst on all the tapes. He also was inquiring about cocaine from the UC, he talked about how he likes to get high, in those tapes to me Misty looks nervous, like almost embarrassed Ron is even talking like that. jmo

 

[krkrjx]

I dont get how anyone can look at those tapes and not see she was nothing more than a mule. He helped count those pills out, and as soon as he did he gave them to her, I think he looks the worst on all the tapes. He also was inquiring about cocaine from the UC, he talked about how he likes to get high, in those tapes to me Misty looks nervous, like almost embarrassed Ron is even talking like that. jmo

For some reason Misty is in the front seat in most or all of the vids. RC is in the front usually if MC has left the vehicle. Maybe it is just because UC picked Misty up first so she got in front?

I think Misty relaxed a lot as transactions continued. And these are the only transactions that are on video; there could be many more deals that went down with these two even before the UC connected with them. They were being watched, IIRC, and their activities under surveillance is what led to the UC sting. I do not think Misty is as experienced as Ron as far as drug dealing goes but she is no shrinking flower, either.

Between the two, though, I would rather see Misty be the one to get a plea deal.

 

[Chablis]

For some reason Misty is in the front seat in most or all of the vids. RC is in the front usually if MC has left the vehicle. Maybe it is just because UC picked Misty up first so she got in front?

I think Misty relaxed a lot as transactions continued. And these are the only transactions that are on video; there could be many more deals that went down with these two even before the UC connected with them. They were being watched, IIRC, and their activities under surveillance is what led to the UC sting. I do not think Misty is as experienced as Ron as far as drug dealing goes but she is no shrinking flower, either.

Between the two, though, I would rather see Misty be the one to get a plea deal.

The thing here is, is that its not like they were moving hundreds of thousands of pills and were part of anything big. They had to have the money fronted to them to buy pills, its not a huge global enterprise, it does not take the brains of a mastermind to buy 30 roxies or whatever they were doing. Basically they were dealing or getting pills for the UC, and they prob skimmed a few bucks and pills for their own habits, we saw the rip off of the UC.

Ron has the extensive arrest record and its not going to be forgotten. Ron looks the worst in these tapes, imo, it does not matter where he sits, in fact he got in the front once with the UC, he directed Misty to do some absurd drug deal in a bathroom, then he forgot about that because he wanted to get into the front to talk all buddy/buddy to the UC.

If the State said, Ron you get 15 years, but you have to testify against Misty, its a tactic to get her to finally turn on Ronald, and I don't think he dares, unless hes so confident she will not get mad, and she will if she gets 30 years and he gets 15, I think that will be the straw that breaks the camels back, except I dont think theres any such deal like that because logic and videotape shows they dont need Rons word about anything other than to provoke Misty.

 

[krkrjx]

QUOTED from Chablis...

Ron has the extensive arrest record and its not going to be forgotten. Ron looks the worst in these tapes, imo, it does not matter where he sits, in fact he got in the front once with the UC, he directed Misty to do some absurd drug deal in a bathroom, then he forgot about that because he wanted to get into the front to talk all buddy/buddy to the UC.

If the State said, Ron you get 15 years, but you have to testify against Misty, its a tactic to get her to finally turn on Ronald, and I don't think he dares, unless hes so confident she will not get mad, and she will if she gets 30 years and he gets 15, I think that will be the straw that breaks the camels back, except I dont think theres any such deal like that because logic and videotape shows they dont need Rons word about anything other than to provoke Misty.

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There should be no deal, IMO. The state does not need testimony from either one. I do not see either of them supplying info about Haleigh because the truth would incriminate them, IMO. So, unless either has information about some other horrendous unsolved crime, or about some major drug source that can be effectively stopped by their snitching, I see no need for the SA to deal.

And I agree it does not matter who was in the front seat...just seems interesting that Misty almost always was, IMO.

As for the bathroom deal...Ron wanted it, but the UC said he didn't want to go inside carrying the bag because he couldn't really hide it well enough. Fortunately for the UC, Misty bought that explanation and so did Ron. So the bathroom gig never happened, because UC did not want the deal going down in an area where it could not be videotaped.

Their charges are what they are. It does not matter to me that they are low-level players in the Satsuma drug scene, or that they did not deal tons of pills. Nope, what matters to me is that there are laws against what they did and penalties in place for breaking such laws. They did the deed, numerous times according to the evidence. And I want them to go down for it. No deals unless it brings Haleigh home!

 

[bessie]

Hmmm, I only see charges for less than 30 gr. for Misty on both the incident reports and the warrants. I don't think anyone was looking at a life sentence, per say, although when added up for Misty, it would equal longer than her life expectancy. If they sentenced her accordingly.

Just looking through my files, I don't have Donna's incident report. Does anyone have it? I do see where Ms Misty was involved in every incident report. Every one.

I think that's a typo on the incident reports. The statute reads: more than 28 grams, but less than 30 kilograms = 25 years.

That's the way it reads on the dockets, and that's what Twall posted. More than 30 kilograms (approx 13.6 lbs) carries a life sentence.

The January 8th incident report (Misty and Donna) has disappeared from the link I posted earlier. It was there at one time, and I have it saved on my computer as a pdf I can take screen shot and post it here.

 

[SoSueMe]

Sue, I am not seeing that on the docket. Can you point me to where I can see RC's two 25-year charges have already been reduced?

IMO it is a bit premature for them to reduce the charges if the reduction is part of a plea deal. So if they were reduced already, the reduction is for another reason, IMO.

No I can't because at this point, I'm as confused as ever. In looking at Ron's booking details, all of the charges look the same, even the smaller amounts he was charged on. I thought at one point they distinguished between the different charges and now they all read the same.

I'm also looking at the Incident Reports and I can only find 6 of the 8. What's up with that? I'm missing two each for Ron and Misty.

Here is what's throwing me. Look at this link of Misty's booking details. They have two charges of trafficking over 30 KG. What is that? My goodness, wouldn't that be close to 1000 pills on each sale? And wouldn't both of those charges carry life sentences?

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758546&IMG=60244

 

[bessie]

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/document-preview.aspx?doc_id=49484528&key=ZGZhYjk3ZTct&pass=ZGVjNi00OTll

 

[bessie]

No I can't because at this point, I'm as confused as ever. In looking at Ron's booking details, all of the charges look the same, even the smaller amounts he was charged on. I thought at one point they distinguished between the different charges and now they all read the same.

I'm also looking at the Incident Reports and I can only find 6 of the 8. What's up with that? I'm missing two each for Ron and Misty.

Here is what's throwing me. Look at this link of Misty's booking details. They have two charges of trafficking over 30 KG. What is that? My goodness, wouldn't that be close to 1000 pills on each sale? And wouldn't both of those charges carry life sentences?

http://public.pcso.us/jail/bookingDetails.aspx?SYSID=758546&IMG=60244

Sue, go to this link and click on Putnam Criminal Dockets. Then type in %cummings%. You'll find Ron's and Misty's dockets.
http://www.putnam-fl.com/clk_apps/ext_app_sec/public_menu.php

The booking detail is wrong. The last two items that read more than 30kgs should read:

more than 14 grams/less than 28 grams, $150k; and

more than 28 grams/less than 30 kilograms, $250K

Those transactions took place on Jan 19th and 20th, the actual date of the bust. The docket was filed Feb 3rd. The incident reports were never released.

Hope this helps.

 

[dodie20]

I dont get how anyone can look at those tapes and not see she was nothing more than a mule. He helped count those pills out, and as soon as he did he gave them to her, I think he looks the worst on all the tapes. He also was inquiring about cocaine from the UC, he talked about how he likes to get high, in those tapes to me Misty looks nervous, like almost embarrassed Ron is even talking like that. jmo

if I'm not mistaken, the tapes in which Ron looked so bad, were the 1st ones dropped. Have they for sure been dropped, or was that just Shoemaker talking trash? I've read both, so IDK, but I really was looking forward to a judge watching Ron steal & eat that pill. A thief, liar, & user all rolled up in a neat little package. what about the video of Ron setting up a future transaction? Is that one still around?

 

[Maia]

QUOTED from Chablis...

Ron has the extensive arrest record and its not going to be forgotten. Ron looks the worst in these tapes, imo, it does not matter where he sits, in fact he got in the front once with the UC, he directed Misty to do some absurd drug deal in a bathroom, then he forgot about that because he wanted to get into the front to talk all buddy/buddy to the UC.

If the State said, Ron you get 15 years, but you have to testify against Misty, its a tactic to get her to finally turn on Ronald, and I don't think he dares, unless hes so confident she will not get mad, and she will if she gets 30 years and he gets 15, I think that will be the straw that breaks the camels back, except I dont think theres any such deal like that because logic and videotape shows they dont need Rons word about anything other than to provoke Misty.

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There should be no deal, IMO. The state does not need testimony from either one. I do not see either of them supplying info about Haleigh because the truth would incriminate them, IMO. So, unless either has information about some other horrendous unsolved crime, or about some major drug source that can be effectively stopped by their snitching, I see no need for the SA to deal.

And I agree it does not matter who was in the front seat...just seems interesting that Misty almost always was, IMO.

As for the bathroom deal...Ron wanted it, but the UC said he didn't want to go inside carrying the bag because he couldn't really hide it well enough. Fortunately for the UC, Misty bought that explanation and so did Ron. So the bathroom gig never happened, because UC did not want the deal going down in an area where it could not be videotaped.

Their charges are what they are. It does not matter to me that they are low-level players in the Satsuma drug scene, or that they did not deal tons of pills. Nope, what matters to me is that there are laws against what they did and penalties in place for breaking such laws. They did the deed, numerous times according to the evidence. And I want them to go down for it. No deals unless it brings Haleigh home!

BBM

I agree 100%. I have watched the video tapes and read numerous articles regarding this plea deal and still I do not understand a reason for a plea deal at all. Unless, and I know this may be a stretch, it is merely a ruse. A scare tactic aimed at MC for the last 3 months. LE does not need RC and yet his attorney has been working on this plea deal since May. If this isn’t a scare tactic, is it really that hard to figure this out?

Does LE need him to testify against MC in her drug case? NO

Does LE need him to testify against MC (and/or others) in HaLeigh’s case? Possibly, but he can’t do that without implicating himself as being involved somehow, or at the very least, for withholding information and obstruction of justice for 18 months. If this is the case, I DO NOT believe LE would be willing to give him any type of immunity regarding HaLeigh.

Do they need him to testify against someone higher up the drug chain or become a snitch? Possibly, but that would be really stupid on his part. The details of the plea bargain would be made public and his life will be worthless no matter where he serves his time.

I know that things are not always as they appear to be on the surface, but this entire plea deal is, IMO, a farce and very frustrating to understand.

All JMO…

 

[krkrjx]

OK... I know I will take some flak for this, but here goes...

I think it is possible the SA might offer immunity from prosecution for Obstruction, to whoever comes forward with information that solves the Haleigh case. And I would be OK with that. I want that baby found and those responsible for her demise put away forever. Any person with information that might solve this--who has been and remains afraid to come forward--should be promised something in return for the truth. Yes, even if that person is Ron Cummings.

Please do not misunderstand me--I do not want anyone involved in Haleigh's demise to be considered for immunity from prosecution or to be promised a deal for a lesser charge relating to Haleigh. I would, however, be OK with someone not being charged with Obstruction of Justice if all they have is knowledge but no involvement in the actual crime.

It is not easy for me to be OK with this. It's just that I want justice for Haleigh, and it might turn out that this is the only way she will get that. And in my heart I do not believe either Ron or Misty would be eligible for this immunity; I think it would more likely be someone in the community--a former neighbor, or one of their [former] friends or acquaintances. In addition to immunity, they can have the reward money, as far as I'm concerned. Just bring Haleigh home first.

 

[Concerned Papa]

OK... I know I will take some flak for this, but here goes...

I think it is possible the SA might offer immunity from prosecution for Obstruction, to whoever comes forward with information that solves the Haleigh case. And I would be OK with that. I want that baby found and those responsible for her demise put away forever. Any person with information that might solve this--who has been and remains afraid to come forward--should be promised something in return for the truth. Yes, even if that person is Ron Cummings.

Please do not misunderstand me--I do not want anyone involved in Haleigh's demise to be considered for immunity from prosecution or to be promised a deal for a lesser charge relating to Haleigh. I would, however, be OK with someone not being charged with Obstruction of Justice if all they have is knowledge but no involvement in the actual crime.
It is not easy for me to be OK with this. It's just that I want justice for Haleigh, and it might turn out that this is the only way she will get that. And in my heart I do not believe either Ron or Misty would be eligible for this immunity; I think it would more likely be someone in the community--a former neighbor, or one of their [former] friends or acquaintances. In addition to immunity, they can have the reward money, as far as I'm concerned. Just bring Haleigh home first.

Take some flak? Not from me! If they have knowledge but NO involvement, give them the reward and wipe the slate clean of any charges they may have as far as I'm concerned. I don't give a rat's azz about any of their current charges.

The ONLY qualifier would be proof! They can't just sing it, they have to bring it. That means Haleigh Ann Marie Cummings.

 

[dodie20]

OK... I know I will take some flak for this, but here goes...

I think it is possible the SA might offer immunity from prosecution for Obstruction, to whoever comes forward with information that solves the Haleigh case. And I would be OK with that. I want that baby found and those responsible for her demise put away forever. Any person with information that might solve this--who has been and remains afraid to come forward--should be promised something in return for the truth. Yes, even if that person is Ron Cummings.

Please do not misunderstand me--I do not want anyone involved in Haleigh's demise to be considered for immunity from prosecution or to be promised a deal for a lesser charge relating to Haleigh. I would, however, be OK with someone not being charged with Obstruction of Justice if all they have is knowledge but no involvement in the actual crime.

It is not easy for me to be OK with this. It's just that I want justice for Haleigh, and it might turn out that this is the only way she will get that. And in my heart I do not believe either Ron or Misty would be eligible for this immunity; I think it would more likely be someone in the community--a former neighbor, or one of their [former] friends or acquaintances. In addition to immunity, they can have the reward money, as far as I'm concerned. Just bring Haleigh home first.

I hear ya, & personally, when it was all said & done, I wouldn't have a huge problem with someone walking away scott free from everything-as long as he/she wasn't involved in the murder. I could get over a lot for some answers, justice, & a proper funeral. The people who really loved her deserve a chance at some kind of closure.I understand that a lot of people won't agree with me, but that's how I feel. Now, say, that Lisa Croslin, for instance comes forward...that doesn't mean I won't be mad, because I'd be mad as ****, but it at least would put an end to this. Ron would make me the maddest, because he's the father. Actually, my biggest problem, with this scenario, would be the 'snitch' not serving drug time, & then someone who hasn't been in on the cover-up, (Donna Brock?), being forced to serve time...simply because she hadn't been covering up a murder, & had no story to tell.