2010.07.26 Grand Jury begins

[nursebeeme]

Stavley, who told HLN that he was retained Friday, said Spicher was not asked any questions by the prosecutor but was ordered to return at a future date.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/26/oregon.missing.boy/

 

[SuziQ]

WTH is wrong with WS? I can't get anything to go through or pages to pull up.

FWIW, 200 subpoenas were handed out as of last week in relation to Kyron's case. The only reason for subpoenas would be to get these people or info into a courtroom. This grand jury has been meeting for awhile. DD might be the only one who testified today. But I'm pretty sure she is only one of 200 who has testified.

Subpeonas are issues to anyone who appears for a grand jury whether they are cooperative or not. However, a subpoena is very usefull to get info out of someone who refuses to talke to LE. Grand juries can be used as a fact finding tool and there is no misuse of the justice system in that.

Grand juries can convene for years and with 200 witnesses that we know of so far, this might take awhile. And a grand jury can refuse to hand down an indictment if they don't feel there is enough evidence. So don't get your hopes up. Lisa Stebic's grand jury has been meeting for years and it's mainly for a fact finding mission with the hope that an indictment will eventually be handed down. Lisa's husband refused to let his two kids, who probably saw alot the day their mom disappeared, be interviewed by LE and the only way to get info from them was to subpeona them before the grand jury. So you can see how useful a grand jury is.

 

[froginTtown]

The press conference is @ 2:00 tomarrow in Portland, right?? Could someone in the area tell me what time it is there now. It's 6:40 here in Ohio... and I want to make sure I catch it....Thanks alot....

 

[Kimster]

the press conference is @ 2:00 tomarrow in portland, right?? Could someone in the area tell me what time it is there now. It's 6:40 here in ohio... And i want to make sure i catch it....thanks alot....

3:42pm

 

[GrainneDhu]

My brother was arrested BEFORE I testified in front of a grand jury, so I'm not sure that the GJ is needed in order to arrest someone.

In my personal experience, my brother had been sexually abusing me for years and I told a teacher about it when I was 14 years old. My brother, who is 5 years older than me, was arrested at the college he attended. I was interviewed multiple times by police with child protective services there, as well. I had a deposition taken. Then I got subpoenaed for the GJ. I testified and my brother was convicted of a class A felony & sentenced.

This was in Washington County (Beaverton... GJ was in Hillsboro) ~ adjoining county to Multnomah.

So, in my experience at least, the arrest came before the grand jury testimony and it never led to a trial but it did lead to a conviction. So... color me :waitasec: as to why some grand jury testimony leads to an arrest/trial and some leads directly to a conviction. I don't understand it at all!

Sometimes a prosecutor uses grand jury testimony as a way to help prepare an important witness for the experience of being in court. Since there is no cross examination, no judge, no audience, no media, it's a way for a witness to present their testimony in a slightly less threatening environment.

This can be particularly important for children under 16 or so, since they have often never had any public speaking experience outside of their own peers. There are some people who are so frightened, even phobic, about public speaking that they just do not present well in court. Better to find out in a grand jury hearing than in court.

The prosecutor often hopes that the witness presents really well in front of the grand jury. If so, they can choose to use that to bargain with the defendant: "look, Jane Public went in front of grand jury today and she had them eating out of her hand. She was extremely convincing and the grand jury was ready to hand in an indictment based only on her testimony. Are you sure you want to take this to court and have her testify against you? Is that really in your own best interests?"

 

[cluciano63]

The 200 subpeonas would include those for records as well as people, I would think, so not 200 people to testify.

 

[nursebeeme]

WTH is wrong with WS? I can't get anything to go through or pages to pull up.

FWIW, 200 subpoenas were handed out as of last week in relation to Kyron's case. The only reason for subpoenas would be to get these people or info into a courtroom. This grand jury has been meeting for awhile. DD might be the only one who testified today. But I'm pretty sure she is only one of 200 who has testified.

Subpeonas are issues to anyone who appears for a grand jury whether they are cooperative or not. However, a subpoena is very usefull to get info out of someone who refuses to talke to LE. Grand juries can be used as a fact finding tool and there is no misuse of the justice system in that.

Grand juries can convene for years and with 200 witnesses that we know of so far, this might take awhile. And a grand jury can refuse to hand down an indictment if they don't feel there is enough evidence. So don't get your hopes up. Lisa Stebic's grand jury has been meeting for years and it's mainly for a fact finding mission with the hope that an indictment will eventually be handed down. Lisa's husband refused to let his two kids, who probably saw alot the day their mom disappeared, be interviewed by LE and the only way to get info from them was to subpeona them before the grand jury. So you can see how useful a grand jury is.

bbm and ITA with you times 5 or 6 or 7 LOL

buckle your belts everywebsleuther. The ride may be long and bumpy.

 

[ThoughtFox]

The 200 subpeonas would include those for records as well as people, I would think, so not 200 people to testify.

That's what I thought as well.

 

[nursebeeme]

The 200 subpeonas would include those for records as well as people, I would think, so not 200 people to testify.

Cluciano, that is what I said in my post and link... that it can be records as well and most likely a large portion is. Subpeonaed information nonetheless.

 

[Calliope]

I understand that, but we are talking about DeDe this time and not every witness. JMO

I don't take a defense attorney's word for what his client has or has not done. His job is to build her up and "defend" her.

Why would they have to subpoena her for the Grand Jury if she was cooperating fully?

Your point makes no sense to me. There are no special rules just for DeDe. And JMO, but her attorney isn't going to lie about her speaking to LE for 3 1/2 hours.

 

[gibby207]

Is anyone watching Douglas County (Roseburg) for "new arrivals?"

 

[nursebeeme]

Police said they've received more than 3,000 tips and the district attorney has subpoenaed 200 sets of records.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/search-ky...suring-terri-hormans/story?id=11243557&page=3

these 200 documents (which could include cell records, etc) also could be info that was presented today to the GJ (moo)

Lotsa subpoenas folks. Lots of em.

bump up

 

[JSR]

The 200 subpeonas would include those for records as well as people, I would think, so not 200 people to testify.

Correct. Well technically the subpoenas would be to "custodian of records". Either way that's a lot of subpoenas.

 

[Calliope]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/26/oregon.missing.boy/

Sound like the theory she affirmed her statement to police is probably correct.

 

[SuziQ]

The 200 subpeonas would include those for records as well as people, I would think, so not 200 people to testify.

It usually involved the keeper of the records for companies like cell providers, banking and financial, etc. The papers don't mean much without a person testifying as to what they are and what they mean.

 

[nursebeeme]

Correct. Well technically the subpoenas would be to "custodian of records". Either way that's a lot of subpoenas.

and we do not have the number of PEOPLE subpoenaed!

Also, we do not know what could have already been submitted paper wise (that was subpoenaed by the DA) so far to the GJ! this is just the first "human" in the gates!

 

[BeanE]

Deedee wouldn't cooperate and talk to police, just as Desiree and Kaine said.

I don't take a defense attorney's word for what his client has or has not done. His job is to build her up and "defend" her.

So Dede's attorney was lying on recorded video that Dede spent 3 1/2 hours with detectives, followed by multiple follow-up conversations?

 

[cakegirl0905]

Is this woman, DeDe, a mother? I'm assuming so, but I don't know much about her. But if so, how could a mother do this to someone's child? Keep information from the real parents?

I want Kyron found. I want him back in school in a month or so. I want him to have a normal life.

 

[Calliope]

WTH is wrong with WS? I can't get anything to go through or pages to pull up.

FWIW, 200 subpoenas were handed out as of last week in relation to Kyron's case. The only reason for subpoenas would be to get these people or info into a courtroom. This grand jury has been meeting for awhile. DD might be the only one who testified today. But I'm pretty sure she is only one of 200 who has testified.

Subpeonas are issues to anyone who appears for a grand jury whether they are cooperative or not. However, a subpoena is very usefull to get info out of someone who refuses to talke to LE. Grand juries can be used as a fact finding tool and there is no misuse of the justice system in that.

Grand juries can convene for years and with 200 witnesses that we know of so far, this might take awhile. And a grand jury can refuse to hand down an indictment if they don't feel there is enough evidence. So don't get your hopes up. Lisa Stebic's grand jury has been meeting for years and it's mainly for a fact finding mission with the hope that an indictment will eventually be handed down. Lisa's husband refused to let his two kids, who probably saw alot the day their mom disappeared, be interviewed by LE and the only way to get info from them was to subpeona them before the grand jury. So you can see how useful a grand jury is.

Ack. I closed the link out on Oregon law regarding grand juries. It said service for a year, I believe. I didn't read through all the statutes so the answer may have been in there somewhere, but does anyone know what happens if the process exceeds the term of that particular jury? Does it start all over again with a new jury or are they compelled to remain in service?

 

[BeanE]

Stavley, who told HLN that he was retained Friday, said Spicher was not asked any questions by the prosecutor but was ordered to return at a future date.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/07/26/oregon.missing.boy/

wth??!!