2010.07.26 - Kyron Horman case featured on Dateline

[Herding Cats]

Speculation spitball alert:

I am now left wondering, with the confirmation of what I had suspected (and posted a few days ago) about the affair with Terri while Desiree was pregnant, if the rumors of Kaine having an affair currently (or recently) are not true?

They always say if you marry a man who's cheated on his former spouse with you, it's quite likely to happen again...

I'm just left thinking that maybe there's another skeleton in the closet, but we're not hearing of that because Kaine doesn't want it to be known.

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[joshiesmom]

I did not want this to be the case, but have felt there was more to the story... and there you have it. Kaine cheated on Desiree while she was pregnant with Kyron. Desiree considered Kaine to be unfaithful to her, and could not leave her room for two months. Kaine says he was pretty sure they'd already agreed to live separate lives under one roof.

From Dateline Report.

Wowza. :shakehead:

Does anyone remember at what point in her pregnancy Desiree filed a restraining order against Kaine?

 

[Mamietwo]

I don't see it as lying. I see it as viewing what happened through different eyes. They are coming at this from a different view point.

Not only that, it's not important to this case anyway. But I agree with you as it being viewed through different eyes.

 

[AvalonBlue]

She said she thought it was odd that her ex husband's wife was hugging her.

I don't find that odd.

We are a blended family too and if a traumatic event happens, like a death in one of the families or someone is seriously ill in the hospital, we all hug each other to console the other one.

IMO

With all due respect, oceanblueeyes, there is true "blended" in a good and loving and mature way (which sounds like your family) and then there is "smashed up," bruised and broken -- and I think this family, despite the best efforts of the majority to do what was right for Ky, was still in a world of hurt, even before Ky went missing.

IMHO Only...

 

[Adrienne37]

I think it matters not how Desiree and Kaine handled the situation between themselves when this situation occurred, the only thing that matters now seems to be the fact that they are united in their love for Kyron and for that, I commend them both.

 

[Emma Peel]

In the great scheme of things and as they relate to Kyron's disappearance, does it really matter whether or not Desiree says Kaine cheated or Kaine says they were living separate lives under the same roof? I mean, honestly, I could care less if they both were committing adultry with every John and Jane Doe they came across or whatever the case may be, it has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that Kyron is missing and has been missing since he was last seen at the school with his step-mother who is not cooperating with authorities. I could care less if Terri Horman was sexting with the President as it has no bearing whatsoever on the fact that Kyron is still missing.

Right now, it means something to me. I don't know if it will mean anything to the court, or Mr. Houze. It might. Frankly I have to let all set in a bit and think about why I'm so disappointed to learn this.

But I will say my concern goes to Kaine's time frames relative to Terri "being a good person up until 2008". (Which happens to be the year she got pregnant.) And Kaine's comment about troubles in his marriage to Terri - that he
"thought we resolved it in a positive manner", but apparently Terri did not feel that way and had told her friends so.

It's not an excuse for Terri's reaction. But, I now see it's plausible there was a trigger that set off Terri ... an actual trigger for the murder-for-hire plot - an actual trigger for a deadly rage.

And it kind of sounds like Desiree's story of the end of her marriage to Kaine. Just a little bit...

And JMHO...:cow:

 

[goatman]

Question:

What is the sleuthing rules for KH and DY at this point? What is okay to sleuth, what is not?

I am really confused because the Dateline interview was pretty dang intimate (he cheated, no I didn't!). Are we allowed to sleuth personal lives now that they have put them on display?

TIA

 

[ZL27]

KH said that 6 months prior to Kyron disappearing 'someone' told him TH was trying to get a hitman.

Was it really 6 months????

I just replayed that segment 10 times.

"Kayne says police informed him of a harrowing discovery. About six months before Kyron went missing, Kaine's wife, Terri, had allegedly tried to hire a landscaper to kill him."

I don't think he meant that he was told six months ago. I think he meant that he was recently told that Terri tried to hired a hitman six months.

 

[Kat010]

Hi SteelyDan, good question, and I honestly don't know the answer as there are too many unknowns at this time.

If TH is innocent, she should get her baby back.

But I also think that there should be other family members from TH's family involved with KH and making sure she's well cared for. They need to be involved in her life--a child needs love and support from all family members.

I also have another speculation about a potential plot, but even as far as we've all been plopped into Bizarro Land, I won't discuss that one--yet. But I think that there's still skeletons in various closets, and, as Emma pointed out, this skeleton didn't fall out of TH's closet.

Wouldn't be surprised if other closets had some bones rattling around in them, too.

 

[nosysw]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mydailyopinions
My assumption on this only..
When a teacher takes a photo of my children at school, the only way she can publish those photos is with my written permission..I actually have to sign a form for it..
I would assume it is the same way for Terri to sell photos of Kyron considering she has NO legal rights to give anyone permission to do anything with a photo of Kyron regardless of if she took them or not.
Terri Horman could not claim rights to photos of Kyron period. IMHO..

I think that as a legal stepparent she does have rights. It is different in every state but a perfect example is in VA you can be awarded costudy of your step children.

I don't think she would have rights unless the mother's rights were terminated or the mother was deceased...That being said, I work in a school and they tend to be somewhat lax in this area...In other words, allowing stepparents alot of latitude in some areas which might not hold up in court if pressed by the bio, non-custodial, parent...Signing off for picture rights in school might be one of these areas...But outside of school, I don't think she would be considered to have rights to distribute or sell his pictures to anyone... in my opinion...

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I feel as though the final piece of the puzzle has slammed into place, and I'm going out on a limb with my personal opinion: Michael Cook.

Or maybe MC has a thing for vulnerable redheads and for being in the thick of things in a high profile case.

 

[Adrienne37]

Or maybe MC has a thing for vulnerable redheads.

Hmmm, maybe him and Dede could get together.

 

[Sherbie]

Sorry, I did write that confusingly. I was going on the assumption that the secretary called her and said something along the lines of "your son is missing, he didn't get off of the school bus and isn't in the school" I tried to clarify that at the end of my post when I wrote: "but at this point DY did NOT know that TH was the person to last see him and that he had been missing for hours...or did she? Now I am confused, what did the secretary tell her when she was called? That he hadn't been seen since that morning? Or that he couldn't be found right then?"

Did that make sense? Or did I make things more confusing? At that point all DY had to go on was the phone call from the secretary, so it greatly depends on what the secretary told her, and how would the secretary know that TH was the last one to see him?

I think like in most families, the mom/stepmom is the primary caregiver for the kids (esp. with stay-at-home moms). I think it's just logical she would assume Terri would be the one there for several reasons:

If she didn't know Kaine had taken time off that afternoon, she might think he was still at work or en route and figure Terri would already be there. Terri was probably the one who dealt with school issues, probably the one to meet Kyron at the bus stop or pick him up from school, probably closer to the school and could get there faster than Kaine, etc.

Several very logical reasons why she would speak to Terri first. IMO, neither this nor the different perspectives KH and DY have about the break-up of their marriage are indicative of anything whatsoever out of the ordinary.

 

[curiousgirl2010]

Funny how this has now become the "Kaine is horrible" thread when he has been the primary caregiver of his 7-year old son for the past years. We don't know what really happened between DY and KH and I think it was unclassy of the classy DY to speak out about this.

That's what I meant about not understanding the relevance of Desiree's statement. Kaine is her son's father and primary caregive. Why would she want to feed him to the sharks??

 

[goatman]

I think like in most families, the mom/stepmom is the primary caregiver for the kids (esp. with stay-at-home moms). I think it's just logical she would assume Terri would be the one there for several reasons:

If she didn't know Kaine had taken time off that afternoon, she might think he was still at work or en route and figure Terri would already be there. Terri was probably the one who dealt with school issues, probably the one to meet Kyron at the bus stop or pick him up from school, probably closer to the school and could get there faster than Kaine, etc.

Several very logical reasons why she would speak to Terri first. IMO, neither this nor the different perspectives KH and DY have about the break-up of their marriage are indicative of anything whatsoever out of the ordinary.

It has been posted that she asked if KH and TH were there and then called TH. At that point she knew KH was there and still called TH.

Editing to paste:

Greetings all. I thought that this is what I heard:

School sec called D and told her Kyron was missing.
D asked if Kaine and T were there.
Sec told D that T was there.
D says she called T.

In general, I think the slant of the show was a good mirror representation of how the case has unfolded over the past weeks. Sure hope there are more answers tomorrow.

 

[Sherbie]

Quite frankly, I believe that TH is guilty as sin, however, I do think that she is being criticized for things that she has possibly done while others in this case have been given a 'free pass' (lying, possibly selling pictures). And that group think should always be tempered with a 'devil's advocate' (pun unintentionally intended).

I need to point out however, that NO ONE has been reported as selling pictures, it is all if she did=bad if they did= (what).

MOO

A devil's advocate is always a good thing! It's also a common practice among LE when working a case. They bounce ideas off each other and do the "yeah, but what if...." thing to get to the truth. I appreciate your input!

 

[tfrohning]

Speculation spitball alert:

I am now left wondering, with the confirmation of what I had suspected (and posted a few days ago) about the affair with Terri while Desiree was pregnant, if the rumors of Kaine having an affair currently (or recently) are not true?

They always say if you marry a man who's cheated on his former spouse with you, it's quite likely to happen again...

I'm just left thinking that maybe there's another skeleton in the closet, but we're not hearing of that because Kaine doesn't want it to be known.

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I had to giggle to this post because with media on this case and the crime forums hopping everywhere if there proof of Kaine cheating on Terri it get out no matter what Kaine wants. But I really don't think it help find Kyron.

 

[RoughlyCollie]

I agree with that -- the spouse who cheats is the one who is responsible and should carry the blame. He was the married one, not TH. Totally his fault.

Totally her fault too. It is immoral for a single woman to carry on a sexual relationship with a married man, and even more reprehensible when that married man has children or a pregnant wife.

Neither KH nor TH come out smelling like a rose in this situation. If either of them had said no, the affair would not have occurred.

 

[grandmaj]

No sleuthing private lives of the victims. POA, persons of focus, players whatever we call them are sleuthable. Is that a word? I just made it one.

You may discuss the actions of Desiree and Kaine. But you may not look into their personal lives. They told you there was a rocky breakup, however we want to put it. That is open for discussion. But beyond that until MSM brings other news or the parents themselves..... :nono: Does this help?

 

[wondering1]

Question:

What is the sleuthing rules for KH and DY at this point? What is okay to sleuth, what is not?

I am really confused because the Dateline interview was pretty dang intimate (he cheated, no I didn't!). Are we allowed to sleuth personal lives now that they have put them on display?

TIA

bbm

I didn't see Dateline, but I've seen what was written here about it and I didn't get that from it AT ALL. He didn't deny they were still married and living together. He just said, to his mind, that the relationship was over. I think another poster summed it up perfectly wrt to how men and woman perceive these circumstances totally differently. And I completely agreed with that entire post, including the part where DY convinces herself that the relationship still has hope b/c she is about to have KH's baby and they are still living in the house together.

How many times have we heard about or experienced the same exact thing. Like an episode of Friends, as someone else mentione. He cheated...no he didn't, they were on a break so it's not cheating.

Not at all to say KH isn't a skeezer for cheating. But I don't think it's a dramatic divergence between absolute truth and absolute lie. I think it was more a matter of perception and wishful thinking on both of their parts. KH that it was okay to cheat b/c the relationship was *over,* and DY that they were still physically together with a baby on the way, so the marriage was intact.