2010.09.25 - Levi's Facebook - Misty questioned again???

[joeskidbeck]

Well. I am hoping they led Ron to believe they are building a case against Misty so that they could get his story in writing. I believe this is the only way that Misty will ever believe that Ron turned on her. When she sees it for herself. For all we know they showed it to her yesterday. I think this is about to get very interesting (like it hasn't been since day one). Misty is about to come clean and if I were a betting woman, I'd give odds that hers and Ron's statements are exact opposites!

 

[joeskidbeck]

One more thing. I can't wait to see Chelsea on Nancy Grace tomorrow. Maybe this time it will really be a "bombshell"!

 

[justus4all]

Well. I am hoping they led Ron to believe they are building a case against Misty so that they could get his story in writing. I believe this is the only way that Misty will ever believe that Ron turned on her. When she sees it for herself. For all we know they showed it to her yesterday. I think this is about to get very interesting (like it hasn't been since day one). Misty is about to come clean and if I were a betting woman, I'd give odds that hers and Ron's statements are exact opposites!

OHHH!!!!!! I hope you are right...

If Misty sees in writing what Ron is going to say...about HER...she may very well ....come clean...

I believe ...this may be ...what is referred to as ....the Squeeze Play...

MOO

 

[dodie20]

How? He was guilty and he and his lawyer knew that.

They don't drop charges on people that are guilty of the offenses.:waitasec:

IMO

yes they do drop charges on guilty people...all of the time! I see it everywhere, even in my small town. Yes, he was guilty, in ALL of the charges, including the ones that were dropped, not just the ones that weren't dropped. They dropped a lot of charges, in exchange for his testimony. They could've dropped them all. They just didn't want to. I stand by MOO, that LE wants to punish Ron, & not just for his drug crimes.

 

[suspicious1]

"And no where does it say he refused to do so before this"?

And not only that CP...we have Ron's lawyer stating in August, I believe, that Ron was being shuffled around on the list. IMO, even in August LE had not ruled out Ron, work alibi or not...and to dress up that known fact, Shoemaker wanted us to believe that Ron had been moved from the top to the bottom of this list....

JMO of course

 

[dodie20]

One more thing. I can't wait to see Chelsea on Nancy Grace tomorrow. Maybe this time it will really be a "bombshell"!

There are a lot of people I'd rather hear from than Chelsea. I hope if she starts with the inconsistencies, someone on the panel is prepared enough to confront her with earlier statements. & I'm sick of this family turning on each other-when the timing is right for them. If she's got something to say about Lindsey, I hope she's ready to back it up, & explain why she's just now coming forward.

 

[dodie20]

I agree. If Ronald had provided key information early on there would be no need for the kind of deal he received. Further, the deal was in the works for quite some time. Shoemaker mentioned it months ago. We saw at least one (two, iirc) postponements in Ron's hearings. That tells me working out the deal was complicated and the SA was reluctant to agree to the provisions, but in the end decided whatever Ron has to offer was worth the price of the charge reductions. All indications point to "new" information which might've solved the case if Ron had turned it over prior to January 21, 2010. IMO.

ahhh...new information. What I wouldn't give to know what that information is, & the word curious, doesn't even beigin to describe how I feel. Actually, this is what I see happening. Ron gave up some big information, & LE gave him his little deal...all the while knowing that he has more. So, when he's put under oath, he's gonna have to spill it, or lose his deal. & the irony? if he had been willing to spill it sooner? He might not be looking at 15 years. So, he's gonna have to tell it anyway...for free. Sometimes justice IS sweet.

 

[joeskidbeck]

There are a lot of people I'd rather hear from than Chelsea. I hope if she starts with the inconsistencies, someone on the panel is prepared enough to confront her with earlier statements. & I'm sick of this family turning on each other-when the timing is right for them. If she's got something to say about Lindsey, I hope she's ready to back it up, & explain why she's just now coming forward.

The only thing I want to hear from her is why she was so upset with Ronald's plea deal. If she has been withholding info on what happened to Haleigh, I hope they tear into her. I cannot understand these people's fear of Ronald unless they know for certain that he is a bonafide murderer and not just a wannabe blowhard!

 

[oceanblueeyes]

"And no where does it say he refused to do so before this"?

Quote:
Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

Maj. Gary Bowling, director of law enforcement for the department, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...6_months_later

Yes he cutoff communication with LE after six months of interviews. Imo, he had nothing more to say. He had told them everything and they kept asking him the same questions in every interview back then. I think LE finally changed course when speaking with Ron again.

But that was over a year ago. A long time has passed since then and evidently if the DA was willing to plea with Ron he is satisfied with his cooperation.

IMO

 

[azwriter]

IMHO..His lies should have been featured on every network and talk show just like Misty's and Tommy's lies have been and for that never to have happened leads me to believe something is terribly wrong with this whole investigation and the people who are in charge of this investigation are not interested in the truth being revealed.....JMHO

Em, I always look forward to your posts because there are so many things we agree about in this entire mess.

However, I wanted to add that perhaps there is a bigger picture involved here. Suppose LE was trying to get to someone else beyond Ron and the others who are now in jail. And, Ron was the key to help them. But at no time did LE want Ron to know he was being used.Certainly with that in mind and part of the plan, LE would go to lengths to help manage a low profile for Ron and his lies. The idea would be to place Ron in a false sense of security.

Investigating a crime takes all forms of proceedures, tatics and angles. And the way information is gleened is something LE can not allow to go public for the fear of forewarning others they maybe looking at.

I'm not the sharpest detective on this site but I felt I should throw this tidbit out there as JMO.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

yes they do drop charges on guilty people...all of the time! I see it everywhere, even in my small town. Yes, he was guilty, in ALL of the charges, including the ones that were dropped, not just the ones that weren't dropped. They dropped a lot of charges, in exchange for his testimony. They could've dropped them all. They just didn't want to. I stand by MOO, that LE wants to punish Ron, & not just for his drug crimes.

I think he got the best deal because they didnt want to punish him for anything else but the drug offenses he plead guilty to.

Do you have a link to such drug cases being dropped where the defendant was on tape when making the drug buys from an undercover officer?

It sure doesnt happen in my local area.

And I have never heard of LE just letting them go scott free when they have evidence to prove the case BARD as they had in all of these cases.

IMO

 

[azwriter]

BBM: This is what really disgusts me, Ron is the only one who got a plea deal? And the only one that has agreed to testify against the ones who took his little girl away and killed her. WTH? I guess we can count ourselves lucky that Haleigh's father got his butt in the wringer dealing drugs or he would have never agreed to testify against the ones who took his little girl away and killed her.........Actually that is the least he could do for Haleigh! Why wasn't he beating down LE's door a long time ago with this information? Just typing the bolded part above just felt so wrong to me.

Well Lone, I can certainly hang my hat on your post. It is disgusting that Ron would get a plea deal. But...maybe this is not what we think it is.

It occured to me, with everyone discussing just what Ron could give the DA about Haleigh's timeline or disappearance, maybe whatever Ron has given them is a lie and LE knows it's a lie and has the evidence to back up that he is not being truthful.

Dropping the two 25-year charges on Ron would not be such a big deal to LE, it would not matter to them in the long run to reduce his sentence in the drug case, if they were sitting on solid evidence disproving his coming testimony and know he's going to be serving a much longer sentence when he is convicted in the Haleigh case.

I hope that makes sense

JMO

 

[badme102]

I can't tell you who LE thinks did what. But I can assure you, and I've heard from many sources that LE has no love loss for Ron, TN, or AS. Absolutely none.

BBM

NO truer words have ever been spoken. I really hope people "get" that this is the absolute truth and let go of the "Ron is being protected by PCSO" stuff.

 

[suspicious1]

Oh I don't think that is the case. Had he not been arrested Ron would have agreed to testify in any criminal cases, imo.
But his attorney has to perform his duties to the best of his ability for his client and Shoemaker knew he had to offer them something in return to get the plea deal. Just the way the system goes. To get something the defense attorney has to negotiate something in return that will be of interest to the DA.

This way they have it in writing instead of Ron just telling them verbally before that he would testify.

Some seem to making this plea deal out to be different than other plea deals and it simply is not.

IMO

BBM

If Ron had not been arrested I do not think he would have agreed to testify in any criminal cases.....IMO, LE also knew this...that's why it was a priority of theirs to make sure Ron was also included in the drug bust.....If they thought he would testify in any criminal case concerning his daughter, LE would not have needed to secure Ron in the drug bust too...If he was willing to testify...why would they? IMO, Ron's attorney was not wheeling and dealing with old news..Ron gave them something that they hadn't had originally. IMO, they knew that there was information being withheld on Ron's part and it took the situation of the drug bust to get it out of him.

JMO of course

JMO of course.

 

[badme102]

Well. I am hoping they led Ron to believe they are building a case against Misty so that they could get his story in writing. I believe this is the only way that Misty will ever believe that Ron turned on her. When she sees it for herself. For all we know they showed it to her yesterday. I think this is about to get very interesting (like it hasn't been since day one). Misty is about to come clean and if I were a betting woman, I'd give odds that hers and Ron's statements are exact opposites!

THIS is exactly what position LE has been WAITING to be in for over a year and a half. Finally, its here!

Logical thinking at its best. Thank you.

 

[badme102]

Quote:
Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

Maj. Gary Bowling, director of law enforcement for the department, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...6_months_later

Yes he cutoff communication with LE after six months of interviews. Imo, he had nothing more to say. He had told them everything and they kept asking him the same questions in every interview back then. I think LE finally changed course when speaking with Ron again.

But that was over a year ago. A long time has passed since then and evidently if the DA was willing to plea with Ron he is satisfied with his cooperation.

IMO

Wow, I am truly speechless. That doesn't happen very often, either. Just Wow.

 

[TxLady2]

Not exactly. Given all the stories that have been told, not one of them suggesting Haleigh is alive and well and in the arms of people who love her more than this band of yayhoos ever did, all pointing to a violent end to her young life, they can declare her death as a homicide, means unknown.

Caylee Anthony taught me that.

AFAIK, there are only 3 causes of death... homicide, suicide, or natural causes, (a terminal illness, or a fatal accident.) Manner of death can be thousands of ways.
Haleigh is too young to have committed suicide, and she didn't have a terminal illness, that we know of. So unless her death was accidental, like an overdose, or a bad fall, or a gunshot... she was most likely murdered.
However... even if it was some freak accident like a gunshot, someone can still be charged with 2nd degree murder or manslaughter. Considering the time that's elapsed, I would not think it would look too promising now for whoever tries to claim that it was an accident and they didn't mean to do it.

 

[bessie]

BBM

If Ron had not been arrested I do not think he would have agreed to testify in any criminal cases.....IMO, LE also knew this...that's why it was a priority of theirs to make sure Ron was also included in the drug bust.....If they thought he would testify in any criminal case concerning his daughter, LE would not have needed to secure Ron in the drug bust too...If he was willing to testify...why would they? IMO, Ron's attorney was not wheeling and dealing with old news..Ron gave them something that they hadn't had originally. IMO, they knew that there was information being withheld on Ron's part and it took the situation of the drug bust to get it out of him.

JMO of course

JMO of course.

Exactly. They wanted to get him in a real stranglehold. Otherwise, why not bust him after the first deal or even the second which would've gotten him fifteen years. Nope. They continued to rack up the charges until they had fully six against him, two of which carry minimum sentences of twenty-five years. That's how badly they wanted Ron to talk.

 

[suspicious1]

Quote:
Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

Maj. Gary Bowling, director of law enforcement for the department, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...6_months_later

Yes he cutoff communication with LE after six months of interviews. Imo, he had nothing more to say. He had told them everything and they kept asking him the same questions in every interview back then. I think LE finally changed course when speaking with Ron again.

But that was over a year ago. A long time has passed since then and evidently if the DA was willing to plea with Ron he is satisfied with his cooperation.

IMO

BBM
No....Ron stop speaking with LE shortly after Haleigh disappeared. If what you say is true that would mean that from Feb. 9th 2009 up until August of 2009....Ron was cooperating with LE...and that is not true..If anything, Ron went 6 months without speaking to LE. You said it yourself that when new things come to light LE go back and interview people...well that's what they were trying to do, I don't think it was a matter of them asking him the same questions over and over again...IMO, they needed information from Ron then and for whatever reason Ron wasn't trying to be questioned anymore. And if what you say is true, and LE was indeed asking Ron the same questions over and over again....that tells me that they were not satisfied with the answers Ron was giving. If LE thought Ron was being truthful, why continue to ask the same questions?...IMO, it would be pointless especially if they thought he was telling the truth.
The only time I have to ask my kids over and over what happened, is when I know they are NOT telling me the truth...so repeating the question more than once is letting them know that I do not believe the story they are trying to sell me.

And when LE finally were able to speak with Ron again, we heard about the phone call he made to Tommy....another key player in this case.
JMO of course

 

[suspicious1]

Exactly. They wanted to get him in a real stranglehold. Otherwise, why not bust him after the first deal or even the second.which would've gotten him fifteen years. Nope. They continued to rack up the charges until they had fully six against him, two of which carry minimum sentences of twenty-five years. That's how badly they wanted Ron to talk.

Exactly, Bessie. And if LE was only after Misty in the drug bust, she had enough charges racked up before Ron was pulled into those deals. But noooo, LE waited for Ron and racked up his charges too..I believe Tommy when he says that Misty and Ron were the targets in the drug bust....because actions speak louder than words.

JMO of course