2010.09.25 - Levi's Facebook - Misty questioned again???

[TxLady2]

DA's don't usually go along with plea bargains unless they get something in return. Old information wouldn't cut it. They want something new, or no deal. Whatever Ron tells them is not something he has told them in the past, it's something he's either been holding back all this time, or something he has just found out (which I doubt, since he's been sitting in jail for 7 months.)
But, no... it's not old stuff... they wouldn't give him a plea deal on old info. Has to be something he's never told them before.

 

[bessie]

Quote:
Cummings has cut off interviews with investigators.

“Besides ‘No I didn’t have nothing to do with my child being missing,’ what do you say?” he asked.

Maj. Gary Bowling, director of law enforcement for the department, said detectives would like to interview Cummings again but have been resisted.

http://jacksonville.com/news/metro/2...6_months_later

Yes he cutoff communication with LE after six months of interviews. Imo, he had nothing more to say. He had told them everything and they kept asking him the same questions in every interview back then. I think LE finally changed course when speaking with Ron again.

But that was over a year ago. A long time has passed since then and evidently if the DA was willing to plea with Ron he is satisfied with his cooperation.

IMO

I agree with you on many points, OBE, but not this one. I'm certain Ron had a lot to say. For starters, he could've told LE why he went along with the story Misty told the 911 dispatcher when he clearly knew it was a lie.

Ron might not have been directly involved in the events that led to Haleigh's death. He might very well have been at work all night just like he claims. We've seen nothing to indicate otherwise. I don't know what he thought happened that night, but I'm certain he didn't believe that some unknown intruder snatched Haleigh away while Misty slept. His statements and behavior during the 911 call told me that the very first time I heard them. What really cinched it for me was his non-reaction to the ringing phone hooked on his belt during an interview with reporters. The cameras caught him in a moment of true distress, crying and proclaiming that he'd give his life for his child's life. Yet, when faced with a ringing phone, a universal signal of news that should've shaken him out of his boots, Ron does absolutely nothing. Doesn't even flinch. Just goes on playing for the cameras.

Some will say that perhaps it wasn't his phone. No one would use the number to contact him. Doesn't matter. Anyone who's ever waited word on a sick or missing loved one will tell you that there would have been a split second before he realized it wasn't his phone when he would've reacted. And with the cameras focused in so closely on him, we would have seen it.

So while I don't believe that Ron killed Haleigh, nothing will ever convince me that he was merely an innocent dupe.

 

[suspicious1]

Em, I always look forward to your posts because there are so many things we agree about in this entire mess.

However, I wanted to add that perhaps there is a bigger picture involved here. Suppose LE was trying to get to someone else beyond Ron and the others who are now in jail. And, Ron was the key to help them. But at no time did LE want Ron to know he was being used.Certainly with that in mind and part of the plan, LE would go to lengths to help manage a low profile for Ron and his lies. The idea would be to place Ron in a false sense of security.

Investigating a crime takes all forms of proceedures, tatics and angles. And the way information is gleened is something LE can not allow to go public for the fear of forewarning others they maybe looking at.

I'm not the sharpest detective on this site but I felt I should throw this tidbit out there as JMO.

BBM

I have thought about that too, Azwriter. I firmly believe that if Misty and/or Ron were not directly involved.....my money is on Teresa.

Wouldn't it be something if Ron's testimony was used to convict his mother?

JMO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Not necessarily. It could just be making sure they have their ducks in a row and have everything right.

It is very common that they go back and reinterview witnesses in older unsolved cases. I don't think anyone believes that LE did not go back and talk to their witnesses again when they were close to the point of arresting Jason Young.

It is no different in this case, imo.

IMO

BBM... Going back and talking to witnesses again when they are close to arresting someone is one thing, but IN MY OPINION, the LE and SA did not take off 2 charges and give RC such a "sweet deal" as 15 yrs when they could have given him 70-90 with the evidence they had against him, only because he backed up some evidence they already had. IN MY OPINION, he gave them new info to get such a deal. Furthermore, how could he have gotten new information he hasn't been sitting on, while he has been sitting in jail. IN MY OPINION, if the info he has given them concerns Haleigh, which that is all they need, cosidering that they didn't need any evidence in the drug cases with the videos, then he has been withholding evidence concerning the death of his own daughter, at least as long as he has been in jail. MOO

 

[SmoothOperator]

This may be slightly off topic here but am just curious. I see that so many believe very firmly that Ron was directly involved in Haleigh's death. Several thinking that the death even occurred during the day before Ron ever left for work. Several believing that Ron left work at some point, went home murdered his child, and then went back either to work or to the store to ensure alibis. But no doubt a great deal do BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that Ron is directly involved, as in she died by his hands or with his assistance and that he participated FULLY in the disposal of her body...

So, then why in the world would Tommy, a man who clearly despised Ron even before this murder happened and DEFINITELY has hated him since, why would this man put himself DIRECTLY INVOLVED[AND I do mean directly, you can not put yourself anymore directly involved that what Tommy Croslin has done] Why would this man put himself smack dab in the middle of the entire events leading up to[going to MH with JO to steal the "prized" gun], put himself at the scene DURING the murder[saying that JO went into a rage and strangled Haleigh], and put himself directly at the disposal[was in the van with Haleigh's body, JO driving them to a dock, and he sees JO carry Haleigh's body down that dock] ??? Why would Tommy do this if he knew that Ron was responsible[a maN HE DESPISED AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE GO DOWN , NEVER TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HIM BEING IN THEIR LIVES EVER AGAIN]??? Why would Tommy atleast NOT IMPLICATE this man he despised, in some way for this murder? Why would he NOT say that Ron was involved? In any slightest way, with the planning, the executing, the cover up, or even just having knowledge after the fact? He hasn't...

But yet he has implicated the only two ppl that matter to him even in the slightest[himself and his sister] for the entire events that occurred that night. NEVER IMPLICATING THE ONE PERSON HE DESPISED. Wouldn't he throw Ron under that bus so fast his head would spin? If Ron were involved in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER?

 

[suspicious1]

SO,

IMO we don't know what Tommy has told LE about Ron. FWIW, in some of the jailhouse tapes with Tommy, he did implicate Ron or implied that his sister was covering for Ron.

 

[camcneishg]

This may be slightly off topic here but am just curious. I see that so many believe very firmly that Ron was directly involved in Haleigh's death. Several thinking that the death even occurred during the day before Ron ever left for work. Several believing that Ron left work at some point, went home murdered his child, and then went back either to work or to the store to ensure alibis. But no doubt a great deal do BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that Ron is directly involved, as in she died by his hands or with his assistance and that he participated FULLY in the disposal of her body...

So, then why in the world would Tommy, a man who clearly despised Ron even before this murder happened and DEFINITELY has hated him since, why would this man put himself DIRECTLY INVOLVED[AND I do mean directly, you can not put yourself anymore directly involved that what Tommy Croslin has done] Why would this man put himself smack dab in the middle of the entire events leading up to[going to MH with JO to steal the "prized" gun], put himself at the scene DURING the murder[saying that JO went into a rage and strangled Haleigh], and put himself directly at the disposal[was in the van with Haleigh's body, JO driving them to a dock, and he sees JO carry Haleigh's body down that dock] ??? Why would Tommy do this if he knew that Ron was responsible[a maN HE DESPISED AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE GO DOWN , NEVER TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HIM BEING IN THEIR LIVES EVER AGAIN]??? Why would Tommy atleast NOT IMPLICATE this man he despised, in some way for this murder? Why would he NOT say that Ron was involved? In any slightest way, with the planning, the executing, the cover up, or even just having knowledge after the fact? He hasn't...

But yet he has implicated the only two ppl that matter to him even in the slightest[himself and his sister] for the entire events that occurred that night. NEVER IMPLICATING THE ONE PERSON HE DESPISED. Wouldn't he throw Ron under that bus so fast his head would spin? If Ron were involved in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER?

I think the rat in the mail box dealt with that question.....MO

 

[Nonni Brenda]

You are right, debs. Theresa and Sam Parker taught me that you don't have to have a body to prove murder these days and she was a grown woman. The defense did their best to prove she left town with a new lover but it didn't work and Sam Parker is in prison for the rest of his life. Plus, last week her body was found and this proved the jury did the right thing!
My utmost prayer in this is that Haleigh will be found and whoever is responsible pays and pays dearly. Actually, I mean everyone who had a hand in hiding what really happened to her should pay dearly!

BBM... ITA. Wish I could hit the "thanks" button this twice!

 

[Nonni Brenda]

They can probably prove beyond a reasonable doubt that something bad happened to Haleigh that night and she's no longer alive but finding her might help in proving who did what to her. I really hope Misty can help them with that because it seems that no one else has.

I agree Donjeta. Misty telling the truth is all that could possibly give her any of life outside of jail. It's time for Misty to put up or shut up.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM

If Ron had not been arrested I do not think he would have agreed to testify in any criminal cases.....IMO, LE also knew this...that's why it was a priority of theirs to make sure Ron was also included in the drug bust.....If they thought he would testify in any criminal case concerning his daughter, LE would not have needed to secure Ron in the drug bust too...If he was willing to testify...why would they? IMO, Ron's attorney was not wheeling and dealing with old news..Ron gave them something that they hadn't had originally. IMO, they knew that there was information being withheld on Ron's part and it took the situation of the drug bust to get it out of him.

JMO of course

JMO of course.

There is no proof that he would have refused to testify.

They nabbed him in the drug bust because he was a participant like they all were. They didn't set him up. He was guilty of it. They arrest these offenders no matter who they happen to be. That is their job and they did it.

There is also no proof that he withheld evidence either.

IMO

 

[suspicious1]

I think the rat in the mail box dealt with that question.....MO

Cam, that's how I feel too. Sometimes I think that all this included at least Tommy and Ron. We know that Misty was gone all weekend with her other friends. LE wanted information about the days leading up to what happened to Haleigh, so IMO, they were looking at the prior weekend in which Misty was not around. Some days I feel like Tommy and Ron were in cohoots, while Misty was on her 3 day binge.

JMO of course

 

[SmoothOperator]

I think the rat in the mail box dealt with that question.....MO

So a headless rat caused Tommy to COMPLETELY IMPLICATE both himself and his sister and scared him into throwing himself ans his sister "to the wolves" by stating their involvement..

The headless rat has put the fear into him to falsely take the fall for the death of Ron's child?

And tho they are all incarcerated with Ron having no way to "hurt" Tommy, Tommy is still "covering" for Ron TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY KEEPING RON CLEAR OF ANY WRONG DOING IN THE MURDER?

 

[dodie20]

This may be slightly off topic here but am just curious. I see that so many believe very firmly that Ron was directly involved in Haleigh's death. Several thinking that the death even occurred during the day before Ron ever left for work. Several believing that Ron left work at some point, went home murdered his child, and then went back either to work or to the store to ensure alibis. But no doubt a great deal do BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY that Ron is directly involved, as in she died by his hands or with his assistance and that he participated FULLY in the disposal of her body...

So, then why in the world would Tommy, a man who clearly despised Ron even before this murder happened and DEFINITELY has hated him since, why would this man put himself DIRECTLY INVOLVED[AND I do mean directly, you can not put yourself anymore directly involved that what Tommy Croslin has done] Why would this man put himself smack dab in the middle of the entire events leading up to[going to MH with JO to steal the "prized" gun], put himself at the scene DURING the murder[saying that JO went into a rage and strangled Haleigh], and put himself directly at the disposal[was in the van with Haleigh's body, JO driving them to a dock, and he sees JO carry Haleigh's body down that dock] ??? Why would Tommy do this if he knew that Ron was responsible[a maN HE DESPISED AND WOULD LOVE TO SEE GO DOWN , NEVER TO HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT HIM BEING IN THEIR LIVES EVER AGAIN]??? Why would Tommy atleast NOT IMPLICATE this man he despised, in some way for this murder? Why would he NOT say that Ron was involved? In any slightest way, with the planning, the executing, the cover up, or even just having knowledge after the fact? He hasn't...

But yet he has implicated the only two ppl that matter to him even in the slightest[himself and his sister] for the entire events that occurred that night. NEVER IMPLICATING THE ONE PERSON HE DESPISED. Wouldn't he throw Ron under that bus so fast his head would spin? If Ron were involved in ANY WAY WHATSOEVER?

They wouldn't implicate Ron, if by doing so, they would get in more trouble. That doesn't mean that Ron wasn't involved, 'WHATSOEVER'. In MOO, it could mean that they're scared to snitch on him, because he has more damaging info on them, than they do him. I think Ron's guilty of something. not necessarily murder, but something. I'm thinking there was a lot of truth in Tommy's tales, but since Joe hasn't been arrested, I'm guessing he wasn't the raging psycho. If Misty's guilty, & Tommy helped her, he wouldn't want to admit that now, because he couldn't claim coercian. & could he prove that Haleigh was dead before he disposed of her? Did he throw away a dead child or a live child...because I remember at one point, he claimed to not know. Or is Misty covering for a guilty Tommy? These people, & that includes Ron, have made a tangled mess of this.

 

[debs]

And not only that CP...we have Ron's lawyer stating in August, I believe, that Ron was being shuffled around on the list. IMO, even in August LE had not ruled out Ron, work alibi or not...and to dress up that known fact, Shoemaker wanted us to believe that Ron had been moved from the top to the bottom of this list....

JMO of course

Just to make sure we're clear........that was LAST August, not this past August. Six months after his daughter disappeared, his attorney was making this distinction.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

BBM... Going back and talking to witnesses again when they are close to arresting someone is one thing, but IN MY OPINION, the LE and SA did not take off 2 charges and give RC such a "sweet deal" as 15 yrs when they could have given him 70-90 with the evidence they had against him, only because he backed up some evidence they already had. IN MY OPINION, he gave them new info to get such a deal. Furthermore, how could he have gotten new information he hasn't been sitting on, while he has been sitting in jail. IN MY OPINION, if the info he has given them concerns Haleigh, which that is all they need, considering that they didn't need any evidence in the drug cases with the videos, then he has been withholding evidence concerning the death of his own daughter, at least as long as he has been in jail. MOO

When LE comes out and says that Ron Cummings has been withholding information and obstructing justice then I will believe it. However the plea deal speaks the opposite. DAs don't give plea deals to uncooperative witnesses. Especially a plea deal where he could have gotten 70-90 years and he only got the minimum 15 years.

In the end all that matters to me is that Haleigh receives justice. If it takes Ron agreeing to testify against anyone that LE arrest and charges with the crimes against her... then so be it.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Just to make sure we're clear........that was LAST August, not this past August. Six months after his daughter disappeared, his attorney was making this distinction.

Right, that happened back in 2009.

IMO

 

[Amster]

Didn't Misty tell either Hank Sr. or Lisa in one of the tapes that she had told LE things about Ronald, and that LE didn't want to hear it? If true, might be the only thing she's ever said that I believe.

 

[suspicious1]

There is no proof that he would have refused to testify.

They nabbed him in the drug bust because he was a participant like they all were. They didn't set him up. He was guilty of it. They arrest these offenders no matter who they happen to be. That is their job and they did it.

There is also no proof that he withheld evidence either.

IMO

They didn't just arrest these people on a humble or on just one undercover drug transaction....There was an undercover operation, which where I'm from, they consider that being set up. The plan (set up) was to catch these individuals selling illegal narcotics. In the Haleigh Statement that PCSO put out in Feb 2010. They said that there was independent information that was received by narcotic detectives that these individuals were unlawfully selling prescription meds. So in other words, someone told LE Ron&Co. were dealing in illegal narcotics, so they had to devise a plan to catch them, right? So the plan (set up) was to catch these people in the act....and that's what they set out to do....Ron included. There was a plan...LE had a plan....which equals "set up"....does it not?

If they had been caught after one drug transaction I could understand your argument...but they were not. They had multiple transactions....on tape, I might I add. Sounds like a set up to me. How could it not be? Ron and Misty were set up...it is what it is.

JMO of course

 

[Emma Peel]

Wow. I hope Levi's info is good.

If so, then Yay! And, all my Haleigh forum friends - what a good thing!

Sorry that's all I have time for. (I'm away and cheating by peeking...)

I shall return to malign the coward of a father - who trades his daughter's truth and protects her killer only to shelter his own sorry sinning gun & drug totin' arse - upon further confirmation of Ron's plea-deal info being used to push Misty - because that is just beyond disgusting, and because this is what I've believed to have happened all along and because I feel a big fat rant coming on.

Until then, I'm raying: for Haleigh's justice under this waning full moon and the reflection of noble Jupiter.

 

[suspicious1]

Just to make sure we're clear........that was LAST August, not this past August. Six months after his daughter disappeared, his attorney was making this distinction.

Oh i'm sorry Debs I just assumed everyone knew I was talking about 6 months after Haleigh disappeared. My bad.