2010.09.25 - Levi's Facebook - Misty questioned again???

[dodie20]

There is no proof that he would have refused to testify.

They nabbed him in the drug bust because he was a participant like they all were. They didn't set him up. He was guilty of it. They arrest these offenders no matter who they happen to be. That is their job and they did it.

There is also no proof that he withheld evidence either.

IMO

Actually, they nabbed him in the drug bust, because it was a set-up. IMO, Misty, & Ron were both set-up. They didn't get caught dealing to Joe Schmo on the street, they got caught dealing to an undercover cop. It wasn't a matter of LE arresting participants in a drug deal, this was a matter of LE setting up & then arresting participants in several planned, undercover, drug deals, so they could squeeze the participants in Haleigh's murder. & that IMO, includes Ron. It's not fair or logical to say that cops were only after Misty, or Misty & Tommy...& poor Ron was pulled in by Misty. NO! LE wanted Ron, he fell into their trap, & they got him.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

They didn't just arrest these people on a humble or on just one undercover drug transaction....There was an undercover operation, which where I'm from, they consider that being set up. The plan (set up) was to catch these individuals selling illegal narcotics. In the Haleigh Statement that PCSO put out in Feb 2010. They said that there was independent information that was received by narcotic detectives that these individuals were unlawfully selling prescription meds. So in other words, someone told LE Ron&Co. were dealing in illegal narcotics, so they had to devise a plan to catch them, right? So the plan (set up) was to catch these people in the act....and that's what they set out to do....Ron included. There was a plan...LE had a plan....which equals "set up"....does it not?

If they had been caught after one drug transaction I could understand your argument...but they were not. They had multiple transactions....on tape, I might I add. Sounds like a set up to me. How could it not be? Ron and Misty were set up...it is what it is.

JMO of course

:waitasec: If it was a setup then all the lawyers would have recommended that the defendant's not plea. Entrapment is against the law.

It sounds just like any other drug bust case to me. LE gets wind of it and then sets up the stings. Most of the time it is another druggie that is wanting a deal that snitches on someone else to get themselves in better favor with LE.

Sure didn't look like a setup to me. In fact Misty seemed very much at ease and seemed to be having a grand old time being an illegal drug dealer.

You cant set someone up that is willingly participating in illegal activity imo.

Every police department I have seen has undercover officers who work the drug stings. I have a nephew in my family who is one and he is never in uniform.

IMO

 

[gibby207]

BBM

NO truer words have ever been spoken. I really hope people "get" that this is the absolute truth and let go of the "Ron is being protected by PCSO" stuff.

Well, I tell you what... It eases my worries. Thx.

 

[dodie20]

They didn't just arrest these people on a humble or on just one undercover drug transaction....There was an undercover operation, which where I'm from, they consider that being set up. The plan (set up) was to catch these individuals selling illegal narcotics. In the Haleigh Statement that PCSO put out in Feb 2010. They said that there was independent information that was received by narcotic detectives that these individuals were unlawfully selling prescription meds. So in other words, someone told LE Ron&Co. were dealing in illegal narcotics, so they had to devise a plan to catch them, right? So the plan (set up) was to catch these people in the act....and that's what they set out to do....Ron included. There was a plan...LE had a plan....which equals "set up"....does it not?

If they had been caught after one drug transaction I could understand your argument...but they were not. They had multiple transactions....on tape, I might I add. Sounds like a set up to me. How could it not be? Ron and Misty were set up...it is what it is.

JMO of course

I wrote my last post, before reading yours, but we were on the same train of thought. yes, it was a set up, & a lot of people will admit that Misty was targeted, but not so much with Ron. He wasn't undercover or keeping his enemy close. He was targeted. & it paid off! LE put the squeeze on Ron, & he cracked like an egg...& the best deal Ron could manage, was 15 looong years.

 

[dodie20]

:waitasec: If it was a setup then all the lawyers would have recommended that the defendant's not plea. Entrapment is against the law.

It sounds just like any other drug bust case to me. LE gets wind of it and then sets up the stings. Most of the time it is another druggie that is wanting a deal that snitches on someone else to get themselves in better favor with LE.

Sure didn't look like a setup to me. In fact Misty seemed very much at ease and seemed to be having a grand old time being an illegal drug dealer.

You cant set someone up that is willingly participating in illegal activity imo.

Every police department I have seen has undercover officers who work the drug stings. I have a nephew in my family who is one and he is never in uniform.

IMO

there's some legal technicality that keeps this from being legal entrapment, but there's no doubt that this was a complete set-up. Ron even said in a jail tape, that LE told him their main purpose with this bust was to get answers on Haleigh. & Misty wasn't the only one having a grand ol time. Ron was busy having a high ol time, himself.

 

[suspicious1]

:waitasec: If it was a setup then all the lawyers would have recommended that the defendant's not plea. Entrapment is against the law.

It sounds just like any other drug bust case to me. LE gets wind of it and then sets up the stings. Most of the time it is another druggie that is wanting a deal that snitches on someone else to get themselves in better favor with LE.

Sure didn't look like a setup to me. In fact Misty seemed very much at ease and seemed to be having a grand old time being an illegal drug dealer.

You cant set someone up that is willingly participating in illegal activity imo.

Every police department I have seen has undercover officers who work the drug stings. I have a nephew in my family who is one and he is never in uniform.

IMO

So are you implying that because Misty looked at ease in the videos and seem to be having a good time.....it was not a set up? How was she suppose to look? Was she suppose to look like Ron...paranoid? IMO, Misty was a newbie to the drug dealing business. You make it seem like Misty knew she was being recorded and serving an undercover officer. She didn't know....none of them knew...until they heard that "GET ON THE GROUND".

"You can't set someone up that is willingly participating in illegal activity".....WTH? That does not make sense to me. That's why people get set up by LE....because they are willingly participating in illegal activity and LE is trying to catch them in the act. That's why LE has undercover officers to work the drug stings. Do you think Ron and Misty would've sold to the officer had he been dressed in his police uniform? Absolutely not.

 

[dodie20]

When LE comes out and says that Ron Cummings has been withholding information and obstructing justice then I will believe it. However the plea deal speaks the opposite. DAs don't give plea deals to uncooperative witnesses. Especially a plea deal where he could have gotten 70-90 years and he only got the minimum 15 years.

In the end all that matters to me is that Haleigh receives justice. If it takes Ron agreeing to testify against anyone that LE arrest and charges with the crimes against her... then so be it.

IMO

LE doesn't have to tell me, because IMO, the writing's on the wall. But, I do agree with your last statement...whatever or whoever, (including Haleigh's daddy, ugh), it takes to put an end to this mess.

 

[suspicious1]

I wrote my last post, before reading yours, but we were on the same train of thought. yes, it was a set up, & a lot of people will admit that Misty was targeted, but not so much with Ron. He wasn't undercover or keeping his enemy close. He was targeted. & it paid off! LE put the squeeze on Ron, & he cracked like an egg...& the best deal Ron could manage, was 15 looong years.

Oh yeah we're on the same page....Ron and Misty was set-up...no question about it...and Misty was not their only target....Had she been, LE could've busted her long before Ron was brought into the picture....They waited on him, imo. And obviously their plan worked.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

yes they do drop charges on guilty people...all of the time! I see it everywhere, even in my small town. Yes, he was guilty, in ALL of the charges, including the ones that were dropped, not just the ones that weren't dropped. They dropped a lot of charges, in exchange for his testimony. They could've dropped them all. They just didn't want to. I stand by MOO, that LE wants to punish Ron, & not just for his drug crimes.

There are a lot of people I'd rather hear from than Chelsea. I hope if she starts with the inconsistencies, someone on the panel is prepared enough to confront her with earlier statements. & I'm sick of this family turning on each other-when the timing is right for them. If she's got something to say about Lindsey, I hope she's ready to back it up, & explain why she's just now coming forward.

BBM...Would LOVE to see Levi on that panel, maybe along with Holly and Kim. Talk about a bombshell, ful of fireworks!:Banane10::Banane10::Banane10:

 

[lonetraveler]

One more thing. I can't wait to see Chelsea on Nancy Grace tomorrow. Maybe this time it will really be a "bombshell"!

I really do not expect to see Nancy Grace allowing any negative information to be exposed that involves Ron Cummings.

 

[SmoothOperator]

SO,

IMO we don't know what Tommy has told LE about Ron. FWIW, in some of the jailhouse tapes with Tommy, he did implicate Ron or implied that his sister was covering for Ron.

Yes, suspicious you are correct we don't know what all Tommy has told police. I do remember the jailhouse convo saying he and Misty had told LE that they thought that it was a drug dealer that was connected to Ron and was done out of revenge. And they said LE didn't want to hear anything about it....
IMO because it held no weight..

I will admit what has me very puzzled is that IMO the stories told by Misty and Tommy in April that in turn the memorable "dock" search and all the "hoopla" that ensued, it has always been my theory that it was close to the scenario that they gave that is the truth of what actually Happened to Haleigh that night...

Way before that occurred it was my opinion that something similar was what had tragically been what ended Haleigh's life. Yes, I feel it was stupidly because of fighting over guns, grown men's egos run amuck, and pride over street credibility being lessened, along with heavy, heavy drug&alcohol use that led to what happened to this precious, innocent, little girl. I do believe that JO was the main perp.

But what has me puzzled for the life of me is that at Tommy's sentencing I feel as tho it was pretty plainly let it be known that LE were none to happy with the "story and evidence" that Tommy gave them. I mean I get that the evidence would more than likely be gone, especially precious Haleigh's remains put in near that dock. I realize that LE would be frustrated that they could not find any concrete evidence to finally arrest JO for Haleigh's murder but why would they in a very direct way IMO punish Tommy for relaying this info... IMO they obviously found there to be some truth to this particular theory of events including JO, otherwise why spend the money, the man power, and more importantly more of the emotional toll that something such as this would take on the loved ones as well as the investigators that at this point are somewhat personally involved.. This particular situation has me more puzzled than anything[and I do mean ANYTHING]in this case has thus far...

No matter who the exact perps are that actually carried out these most horrendous acts on this little girl how in the hell is there to be no trace of anything? Nothing connecting anyone to anything? Just a bunch of liars literally getting away with murder.. I don't get it

 

[Nonni Brenda]

ahhh...new information. What I wouldn't give to know what that information is, & the word curious, doesn't even beigin to describe how I feel. Actually, this is what I see happening. Ron gave up some big information, & LE gave him his little deal...all the while knowing that he has more. So, when he's put under oath, he's gonna have to spill it, or lose his deal. & the irony? if he had been willing to spill it sooner? He might not be looking at 15 years. So, he's gonna have to tell it anyway...for free. Sometimes justice IS sweet.

Dodie, I like your take on this. I hope and pray that this is what is really going on. I am so encouraged by Levi's post that (paraphrased) LE has no love for Ron. Just reading that, and from Levi, brightened my outlook that Haleigh will soon have justice.

 

[suspicious1]

Yes, suspicious you are correct we don't know what all Tommy has told police. I do remember the jailhouse convo saying he and Misty had told LE that they thought that it was a drug dealer that was connected to Ron and was done out of revenge. And they said LE didn't want to hear anything about it....
IMO because it held no weight..

I will admit what has me very puzzled is that IMO the stories told by Misty and Tommy in April that in turn the memorable "dock" search and all the "hoopla" that ensued, it has always been my theory that it was close to the scenario that they gave that Happened to Haleigh that night...

Way before that occurred it was my opinion that something similar was what had tragically been what ended Haleigh's life. Yes, I feel it was stupidly because of fighting over guns, grown men's egos run amuck, and pride over street credibility being lessened, along with heavy, heavy drug&alcohol use that led to what happened to this precious, innocent, little girl. I do believe that JO was the main perp.

But what has me puzzled for the life of me is that at Tommy's sentencing I feel as tho it was pretty plainly let it be known that LE were none to happy with the "story and evidence" that Tommy gave them. I mean I get that the evidence would more than likely be gone, especially precious Haleigh's remains put in near that dock. I realize that LE would be frustrated that they could not find any concrete evidence to finally arrest JO for Haleigh's murder but why would they in a very direct way IMO punish Tommy for relaying this info... IMO they obviously found there to be some truth to this particular theory of events including JO, otherwise why spend the money, the man power, and more importantly more of the emotional toll that something such as this would take on the loved ones as well as the investigators that at this point are somewhat personally involved.. This particular situation has me more puzzled than anything[and I do mean ANYTHING]in this case has thus far...

No matter who the exact perps are that actually carried out these most horrendous acts on this little girl how in the hell is there to be no trace of anything? Nothing connecting anyone to anything? Just a bunch of liars literally getting away with murder.. I don't get it

I share your frustration, SO. IIRC, after the dock search LE also interviewed Ron again...why was there a need to interview/question him again after the dock search?

 

[lonetraveler]

Well Lone, I can certainly hang my hat on your post. It is disgusting that Ron would get a plea deal. But...maybe this is not what we think it is.

It occured to me, with everyone discussing just what Ron could give the DA about Haleigh's timeline or disappearance, maybe whatever Ron has given them is a lie and LE knows it's a lie and has the evidence to back up that he is not being truthful.

Dropping the two 25-year charges on Ron would not be such a big deal to LE, it would not matter to them in the long run to reduce his sentence in the drug case, if they were sitting on solid evidence disproving his coming testimony and know he's going to be serving a much longer sentence when he is convicted in the Haleigh case.

I hope that makes sense

JMO

Might I drop my guard and get a bit more optimistic? I thought about this alittle bit yesterday and caught myself becoming optimistic and found that I didn't want to get my hopes up only to be dashed, breaking my heart and wounding my pride...........LOL. Dang, I hope you are right! I'm pulling for you. :woohoo:

 

[suspicious1]

LE doesn't have to tell me, because IMO, the writing's on the wall. But, I do agree with your last statement...whatever or whoever, (including Haleigh's daddy, ugh), it takes to put an end to this mess.

LE doesn't have to tell me either, Dodie.

And let's not forget that even AFTER Misty and Ron were set up, busted, and put in jail.....LE added additional charges on them, which increased their bonds even higher.

http://www.actionnewsjax.com/conten...-from-Behind-Bars/UFbXLBFglEiYHouL1ky6Lg.cspx

It just seems odd, at least to me, that even after having Ron and Misty were locked up, LE decided to add 2 more charges to them both. at this time, LE added 2 new charges to Ron and then part of the plea deal was to drop 2 charges. Does anyone know which 2 charges were added after they were locked up? I'm just wondering if it is the same 2 charges that LE/SA dropped for the plea deal. TIA

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Well Lone, I can certainly hang my hat on your post. It is disgusting that Ron would get a plea deal. But...maybe this is not what we think it is.

It occured to me, with everyone discussing just what Ron could give the DA about Haleigh's timeline or disappearance, maybe whatever Ron has given them is a lie and LE knows it's a lie and has the evidence to back up that he is not being truthful.
Dropping the two 25-year charges on Ron would not be such a big deal to LE, it would not matter to them in the long run to reduce his sentence in the drug case, if they were sitting on solid evidence disproving his coming testimony and know he's going to be serving a much longer sentence when he is convicted in the Haleigh case.

I hope that makes sense

JMO

AZ, I so hope you are right. This would make sense of so many things I have questioned. Maybe this was a plan for a while for LE, especially since there was no body, and no DNA. I am getting so anxious to see how this is gonna be played out, but am having more confidence that there will be some justice for Haleigh.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I share your frustration, SO. IIRC, after the dock search LE also interviewed Ron again...why was there a need to interview/question him again after the dock search?

suspicious, I don't know. I really don't. Possibly to question him further about JO, Tommy, and Misty? IIRC at one point Ron denied EVERYTHING concerning JO[from the gun fight to adamantly denying JO was at the MH that night{even tho he was at work}]. Yes, I do realize one would find that awfully suspicious, especially considering that he was NOT in the MH when it was alleged that JO was. My reason that I concluded was that even probably way back then that deep down Ron knew that it quite possibly was JO that was responsible. And IMO that would be too much responsibility for Ron to bear[knowing that it was his direct actions btwn he&JO that were the cause of his child no longer being here].. Does that make any sense?[I do realize that to many they feel as tho Ron is directly involved and that its hard for many to even look at it from a perspective that he is not directly involved]

I am not an advocate for Ron Cummings. He is despicable in my eyes for so very many reasons..[too many to even begin naming].. I do know beyond one shadow of one doubt that indirectly Ron is solely responsible for Haleigh's death and I feel he should be culpable for his part and even charged and punished for it. Because had he NOT chosen to selfishly live this reckless lifestyle of drugs, thugs, guns, and a whole host of other illegal activities it is without a doubt that Haleigh Cummings would be alive and thriving right this very minute, having just started back to school and anxiously looking forward to what she would be for this upcoming Halloween... Sadly Ron's selfish ego meant more to him than the well being and preservation of his precious children[all THREE of them]

All of that said I do feel as tho Tommy and Misty and as unlikely as it still seems to appear I do feel as tho JO is directly involved... But no matter who it is that is involved EVEN IF IT BE RON CUMMINGS[and I have been 100% wrong all along] ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME IS THAT JUSTICE BE SERVED ON BEHALF OF THIS INNOCENT CHILD, HALEIGH.. If Ron is directly involved then in his own words ... "then that is who 'IT' is, let 'em FRY!"

I want to get to the truth of the matter and for there to be closure for those THAT TRULY DO love this precious little girl, Haleigh..

 

[Kimmer]

Does anyone else think that once RC is finally shipped of to prison and is no longer in Putnam County not to mention the same jail that HCSR is in that people will feel more comfortable talking to LE....It is my opinion that RC has been running this case from the beginning not to mention that the is a lead investigator that according to RC own Attorney that he is so comfortable with that when LE wants to question RC all they have to do is call his Attorney and over the phone he will give the OK to talk to RC without the Attorney being present, that speaks volumes to me...And does anyone know if RC and TC will be housed in the same prison? I have also wondered if once MC is sentenced for the drug case if then the DA will finally turn this over to a Grand Jury at which RC would be obligated to testify at...Could it be that LE now has enough of the puzzle to finally ask for an indictment?

 

[Nonni Brenda]

When LE comes out and says that Ron Cummings has been withholding information and obstructing justice then I will believe it. However the plea deal speaks the opposite. DAs don't give plea deals to uncooperative witnesses. Especially a plea deal where he could have gotten 70-90 years and he only got the minimum 15 years.

In the end all that matters to me is that Haleigh receives justice. If it takes Ron agreeing to testify against anyone that LE arrest and charges with the crimes against her... then so be it.

IMO

I understand. We have differing opinions on this point. I respect yours, and I know you respect mine. I am so glad that's possible on WS.

One thing I think we all here agree on is we all want justice for Haleigh. That's the real reason we are all here. It will come. I now have some faith it may be sooner that later. Thanks OBE for giving me something to think about.:blowkiss:

 

[impatientredhead]

I don't know about today. I was just made aware that she was interrogated Friday.

I am still reading, but Misty has an attorney?
Why would her attorney agree to her being interrogated?
If she has something to say surely her attorney would present that information in manner that would be beneficial to his client? A brutal interrogation of his client would not be in her best interest so I am curious why it would be allowed by her counsel?