2010.09.27 - Issues with JVM discussing bombshell developments in Haleigh Case

[suspicious1]

I never saw where LE said they were not satisfied with Ron and his work schedule. I guess I missed that link but I sure would like to see it.

If he had left at any time , early or otherwise, then of course they wouldn't be satisfied with his work schedule but they have said that they are.

I heard on JVM and NGs show that his work alibi is air tight. That is one of the first things LE would do anyway and imo that was long ago verified using the records at PDM, scan machine data and the employees who were also there during the entire time Ron was there working.

I have seen this theory touted about for over a year now but have yet to see anything that supports LE has a problem with Ron's alibi or that he left work before he clocked out for the day.

And what if the police are satisfied just like they have said they are? What then? What if they have witnesses that saw Haliegh very much alive after RC was at work and LE deems these witnesses credible? What then?

To me it explains why the investigation has never really been centered around RC but the Croslins instead right from the start.

It would also explain why the DA offered RC a plea deal and not to the others. I highly doubt that if the DA thought RC was involved in Haleigh's disappearance and murder he would have been willing to give him a break on his drug charges. They would have left him high and dry twisting in the wind with 70-90 years to serve in prison imo.

They sure didn't offer Tommy Croslin or Misty a plea deal that is for sure. There is a very important reason why the DA didn't, imo.

IMO

OBE, LE said that they were satisfied with the hours Ron supposedly worked....but then after that, they admitted that they did not know when the crime was committed against Haleigh....so that basically told me that although they were satisfied, Ron was still on their radar because they could not pin point a time as to when the crime occurred....How do you interpret it? That's why I think that LE mention Ron not being a suspect because at that time his only alibi was that he was at work....and it checked out....but LE still did not know, at that time, when the crime occurred.. hell, I still don't think they have an exact time as to when Haleigh died..how can they label him a suspect, if his only alibi, checked out? IMO, they had too because again, they didn't know what time the crime actually occurred....does that make sense?

I too at one time felt the crime was committed before Ron left for work....

if his work alibi checked out....and Ron was responsible for causing Haleigh's death....the only time that would have been able to happen is before or after he went to work. and that's why I think GMSykes wanted us to believe that Haleigh was still ALIVE and well after Ron went to work...IMO, she inserted herself around that time, to insure that LE believed that Haleigh was OK before he went to work and that something had to have happened while he was at work.....furthering his alibi. But yet, the Cummings never entertained the thought of Misty not being at mh....even though it seemed LE had reason to believe that she was not there at some point during that evening.

Teresa said that she was the one who sent GMSykes there to the mh....to check on the kids..between 7-8pm....Now, if Teresa lived many miles away...what made her call her mother to go check on the kids? Did she do that often? or was there a reason for her to do that? Did Teresa know that something was wrong then? I was wondering....who would contact someone out of town to help with a problem?? That doesn't sound right to me...unless...the person tried to contact someone closer,FIRST, to no avail....with that being said...remember when Teresa said that Ron had tried to call GMSykes but she did not answer, so Teresa called her? They wanted us to believe that it happened after Ron got home from work. But I think that happened before Ron left for work and Ron tried calling GMSykes FIRST and when he couldn't reach her, he called his mother, when Teresa got a hold of GMSykes, she sent her to the mh......and with that being said.....cleary it seems something was going on earlier that evening....and the Cummings didn't want anyone to know that. So IMO, if Ron did something to Haleigh prior to going to work....that left GMSykes, Teresa, and maybe Misty to clean-up.....because afterall, GMSykes admits to being there after Ron left for work..with Misty....and IMO, if she's ever charged with anything concerning Haleigh.....her statements are going to come back and bite her in the butt..JMO

I think it was imperative that Haleigh be disposed of in a way that she would NEVER be found......and not because of what happened to her......but because had she been found....a time of death would've been determined....and I think that would've blown the Cummings story to peices.

LE doesn't know what time Haleigh died.....Ron's ONLY alibi checks out....does that make him innocent??? Nope it doesn't....there's no time of death....so how could it? IMO, his alibi means nothing without a time of death.

But let's say LE said Haleigh died between 10-12mid....then yeah, that would save Ron....but what if it was determined that Haleigh died shortly after getting off the bus? what then? With all the lies in this case...surely LE would need the body, to determine the time death....because IMO, no one is telling the truth. And that's why Haleigh's body could never be found.

IMO, LE has been onto Ron for quite some time...like you said, one of the first things LE would do is check out alibis, which they did...in February....yes the did..but...even after that...LE was still trying to talk to Ron...and he refused...So IMO, even with having checked out Ron's alibi, LE still had questions for him....and whatever it was Ron didn't want to talk about it....
BUT HE'S TALKING NOW.....and even that took for him to receive a PLEA DEAL first.....

That screams guilt to me.....JMO of course

 

[justus4all]

Didn't Rons attorney say something about there was not a camera strapped to Ron all night at work, so yeah there was some question with LE about his work hours or something to that effect. Anyway it left me with the impression LE did question his hours and if he was there the whole time. Also, Ron's attorney let us know for sure Ron was on the suspect list with his remark of moving him from "top to bottom".

Yes.....You make a great point!!!!! I believe I read also (here at WS?) that Ron's atty made the remark of moving him from the top to bottom on the suspect list...

And your impression of the LE questioning his hours and at work the whole time is the same impression I have as well...

Ron is saying he passed his LDT......but did he????....The LE is keeping tight lips and not letting much out...about what they know..

Altho they have said that Haleigh may have died and it could be somewhere near the St. Johns area....(if memory serves)..Well may have died...that means to me...she did die...due to you can't say Homicide with a LIVING child....and also, the stories by these players ...changed to...Haleigh's dead body...pointing fingers...etc.....so the LE has PROVED to these players that they have EVIDENCE..PROVING..Haleigh died..and it was Homicide..not a natural death...I would love to know what this EVIDENCE is!!!!!

Perhaps we will learn more soon...Hopefully..the TRUTH..

all in my own opinion..

 

[oceanblueeyes]

oceanblueeyes, we are all confused your not alone!

I for one don't have the answers to any of the above, and LE certainly has not helped either because they also refuse to give any information regarding Ron and others. They say Misty is the "key", not the "POI".

This is why it's so hard to stick with one theory, anything is possible and looks as if LE feels there is more than 2 people involved in Haleigh's Murder.
The most we hear from LE, or at least me has been that they have "SEVERAL POI" and "ONE OF THEM WE WILL ALL BE SURPRISED".
I to wish we would be privy to some type of information or at least be given a tid bit of what is going one. But also understand that it might compromise the investigation by letting the main perp know they are on to him/her.

As for Ron's involvement, all I can assume is he must of had some if he was given a deal by the SA. How else would he have knowledge of what happen if he did not take part in some way?

I would assume that if he heard who "did it" he would of "killed" that person, why would he hold on to information for over a yr and half regarding his daughter's demise? That is what makes me feel that Ron had some type of role in what happen on Feb 9. :cow:

Thank you for your nice post.

I am not of the same opinion that Ron has to have any direct knowledge involving the perpetrators who harmed Haleigh or about those who participated afterward. Imo Ron will be called to testify because he knows all the potential suspects and will layout a time line of what happened that day before the 911 call was made.

If Joe is involved Ron will testify that he had just met him through Misty a couple of weeks prior and will tell if there was any friction between him and Joe before Haleigh went missing.

They will use his testimony to show the lies Misty and Tommy may have told him after Haleigh went missing.

In almost every case I can remember concerning a child the parent where the child lived is called to testify on how things transpired and what was later told to them by the perpetrators if the perpetrators turnout to be someone they knew.

A DA must layout his case succinctly so that the jury will be able to understand what happened and when.

So I just don't see anything nefarious about his testimony or him having to have direct knowledge. It just wouldn't make much sense to the jury if Ron didn't testify about him being at work and trying to call Misty with no answer and what happened that night and other days when she may have said something that the DA feels now were cover up lies in order to protect herself and her kin.

He also has to testify to making the calls when his cell phone records are introduced. Many reasons why the DA needs his testimony and none of them have anything to do with having direct knowledge of the murder of his daughter, imo.

IMO

 

[snoopydoo]

Involved how? Did he ever get in contact with Misty that day when he was trying to call her from work? If not then how can he be a part of this? And LE would have long had those phone records.

That is what I am trying to ask. If LE knows he was at work the entire shift and what time he got off and it is shortly before the 911 call was placed then how is he involved if he wasnt even there? I am not trying to be aggravating, I promise. I am really trying to understand the theories of others.

And what if Haleigh was seen alive after Ron left for work and LE knows that Ron never left work until his shift ended? How does that fit in?

So if she was seen alive after he left work?
And he never made phone contact with Misty that night?
And LE has verified his alibi? Then these are the parts that are confusing me about the theory that he was somehow involved.:waitasec:

IMO

The main problem I have with the RC involvement theory is that most of it is based on how he acted and reacted. However, along with being guilty/involved his actions and reactions could just as well be explained if he has a psychological disorder. A sociopath/psychopath doesn't react emotionally in what we'd call a normal manner; it's always about them and how things effect them. So instead of feeling sorry, being fearful, sympathizing or empathizing with what his missing daughter is going through, a psychopath reacts more to what was done to him, "someone stole my daughter." Further, where you or I may care less about what could happen to us if LE found illegal drugs, guns, etc., in our home when our child is missing, a psychopath would want to cover their butt first. Same goes with grieving and mourning: psychopaths just don't put other people's interest, even their children, ahead of their own and they don't feel and respond with emotions the rest of us do.

So if RC is a sociopath/psychopath, I'd expect him to react the way he did regardless of whether he was involved in his daughter's death or not. And he does show some serious signs of the disorder. All his sympathetic/emphathetic emotions are somewhat faked, which is a strong indication of psychopathology, i.e. psychopaths mimic emotions; they don't actually feel them. The exception being anger. Further, psychopaths don't accept responsibility for their own actions. Most parents would blame themselves for their child going missing regardless of if they took every prudent precaution; RC hasn't, nor did losing one child seem to in any way restrict him from putting his other child at risk. Finally, psychopaths are chronic liars and make their way through life controlling and manipulating people.

With all that said, however, not all psychopaths are child killers. And just because he displays all the traits of a psychopath, I don't think that necessarily implies that he's guilty or involved in the cover-up. He may be involved or he may not be, or he may be covering up other illicit activities. But just because he didn't react with the proper emotions, lied and is constantly manipulating everyone around him, doesn't mean he's guilty - that's what psychopaths do as a matter of course.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Can someone refresh my memory on who Joe P is? I have forgotten so much... TIA

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Suspicious1, that was said very early in the case when it was first unfolding. The case evolves as more information comes to light in the ongoing investigation. Of course the police are never going to divulge what they know. It is logical imo to believe after investigating for almost 20 months now they have uncovered evidence to make them surer of when this happened.

Long ago I remember reading that LE said they knew 95% of what had happened in that home that night. I have no reason to disbelieve them. Imo they know now whatever happened ..........happened when Ron was at work and the perps knew he was at work and what time his shift ended.

I have seen nothing to make me suspicious of GMSikes and I don't believe the police questions her credibility either. The folded clothes were still on the table so I do believe she did come there to return the clothes and saw the children.

I think the reason Haleigh has not been found is the same reason that many other victims are never found. The perps were trying to cover up their crime.

Most of the information you have listed is old news. Imo the police have not stood still and let the grass grow under their feet.

This will be a circumstantial case and imo they will arrest either Tommy or Misty of both for doing this and maybe Joe too.

LE knows so much more than we will probably ever know and we see where the heat has been turned up and it is on Tommy and Misty.......not Ron.

IMO

 

[snoopydoo]

Hi snoopydoo! Just wanted to say Excellent post and I am agreeing with ALLOT of what you you have eloquently pointed out! Again Thanks for this Great Post!

Thanks, but I wonder if it's enough. I'm thinking they would need some corroborating evidence or testimony to charge and/or convict him.

The thing is, SA probably had enough to get a Grand Jury indictment for Joe just based on Misty and Tommy's testimony alone, yet they didn't. And they probably have enough to get an indictment on Misty, at least for negligence, but they don't appear to be pursuing that path either. It just makes me wonder if LE doesn't have a pretty good idea what happened, they just can't prove it and really need Misty to do so.

 

[suspicious1]

Involved how? Did he ever get in contact with Misty that day when he was trying to call her from work? If not then how can he be a part of this? And LE would have long had those phone records.

That is what I am trying to ask. If LE knows he was at work the entire shift and what time he got off and it is shortly before the 911 call was placed then how is he involved if he wasnt even there? I am not trying to be aggravating, I promise. I am really trying to understand the theories of others.

And what if Haleigh was seen alive after Ron left for work and LE knows that Ron never left work until his shift ended? How does that fit in?

So if she was seen alive after he left work?
And he never made phone contact with Misty that night?
And LE has verified his alibi? Then these are the parts that are confusing me about the theory that he was somehow involved.:waitasec:

IMO

OK,,OBE, you asked if Ron got in touch with Misty while he was at work....HE DID...and let me tell you why....

Ron claimed to have been at work from 5p-3a....him and Misty got into an argument over the phone around 8:30p.....He was at work right? Then he did talked to Misty while he was at work...so he did get in touch with her that evening from work....Ron also talk to Tommy over the phone around 9pm...again...he was at work right? To sum it up...Ron talked to Misty and Tommy over the phone....WHILE HE WAS AT WORK.

And what if Haleigh was NOT seen alive before Ron left for work? what then?

The only people that have claimed to see Haleigh ALIVE after Ron left for work is Misty and GMSYkes, as far as I know. Are we to believe them?...we already know Misty is liar, and IMO, GMSykes is liar, too. There are people who seen Haleigh ALIVE after getting off the bus...but to my knowledge....that's it.

I would rather not waste my breath on Ron's "alibi" because without a time of death for Haleigh.....what does his "alibi" prove? I would really like to know...without a time of death, IMO, all it proves is that Ron spent part of his day at work....do you know what time Haleigh died? because I don't know....without a time of death, how can you exclude Ron...that's why I don't understand the theories that point to Ron being an innocent man simply because he has an alibi.

Hell, LE is just now saying that this is a HOMOCIDE...so even if they suspected that she was killed or dead before...it wasn't until just recently that they had proof that Haleigh was dead or killed......therefore, prior to calling it a HOMOCIDE in 2010...LE DID NOT have a time of death in 2009.....they still may not have a time of death...but I think that's what they are keying in on NOW.

You need a time of death...to even consider Ron's alibi.....so did LE....JMO..

 

[Nonni Brenda]

Suspicious1, that was said very early in the case when it was first unfolding. The case evolves as more information comes to light in the ongoing investigation. Of course the police are never going to divulge what they know. It is logical imo to believe after investigating for almost 20 months now they have uncovered evidence to make them surer of when this happened.

Long ago I remember reading that LE said they knew 95% of what had happened in that home that night. I have no reason to disbelieve them. Imo they know now whatever happened ..........happened when Ron was at work and the perps knew he was at work and what time his shift ended.

I have seen nothing to make me suspicious of GMSikes and I don't believe the police questions her credibility either. The folded clothes were still on the table so I do believe she did come there to return the clothes and saw the children.

I think the reason Haleigh has not been found is the same reason that many other victims are never found. The perps were trying to cover up their crime.

Most of the information you have listed is old news. Imo the police have not stood still and let the grass grow under their feet.

This will be a circumstantial case and imo they will arrest either Tommy or Misty of both for doing this and maybe Joe too.
LE knows so much more than we will probably ever know and we see where the heat has been turned up and it is on Tommy and Misty.......not Ron.

IMO

BBM...
Hi OBE, I understand what you are saying, and I respect your opinion. MOO is somewhat different. I beleive that yes, they will probably arrest Tommy and/or Misty, only if Misty doesn't wise up and tell what she knows about Ron's involvement.

I also feel that the heat has been turned up on Tommy and Misty. Tommy because he has put himself into this so deeply, and has told LE himself, that he was involved at least in the coverup. I feel the pressure has been put on Misty so she will spill what she knows about Ron's involvement in Haliegh's death.

Remember there is no body and as far as we know, no dna or real evidence. I think LE knows RC is the reason Haleigh is dead, and they have known that for a while, but they need someone to show (and testify) how that happened. Misty is that someone, because Ron needed her to take the fall and set her up (with the help of his family). IMO.

And yes, if Misty doesn't speak up now, she is probably gonna be arrested and be in prison for maybe 240 years. It's now or never for Misty to have freedom in her lifetime! This in my opinion only.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

OK,,OBE, you asked if Ron got in touch with Misty while he was at work....HE DID...and let me tell you why....

Ron claimed to have been at work from 5p-3a....him and Misty got into an argument over the phone around 8:30p.....He was at work right? Then he did talked to Misty while he was at work...so he did get in touch with her that evening from work....Ron also talk to Tommy over the phone around 9pm...again...he was at work right? To sum it up...Ron talked to Misty and Tommy over the phone....WHILE HE WAS AT WORK.

And what if Haleigh was NOT seen alive before Ron left for work? what then?

The only people that have claimed to see Haleigh ALIVE after Ron left for work is Misty and GMSYkes, as far as I know. Are we to believe them?...we already know Misty is liar, and IMO, GMSykes is liar, too. There are people who seen Haleigh ALIVE after getting off the bus...but to my knowledge....that's it.

I would rather not waste my breath on Ron's "alibi" because without a time of death for Haleigh.....what does his "alibi" prove? I would really like to know...without a time of death, IMO, all it proves is that Ron spent part of his day at work....do you know what time Haleigh died? because I don't know....without a time of death, how can you exclude Ron...that's why I don't understand the theories that point to Ron being an innocent man simply because he has an alibi.

Hell, LE is just now saying that this is a HOMOCIDE...so even if they suspected that she was killed or dead before...it wasn't until just recently that they had proof that Haleigh was dead or killed......therefore, prior to calling it a HOMOCIDE in 2010...LE DID NOT have a time of death in 2009.....they still may not have a time of death...but I think that's what they are keying in on NOW.

You need a time of death...to even consider Ron's alibi.....so did LE....JMO..

TRUE, TRUE, TRUE! Thank you Suspicious 1. For me, enough said about his alibi at work. We do not have time of death.:clap::clap::clap:

 

[suspicious1]

We may have a different interpretation of "involved".

IMO anybody who has participated in the cover up by lying, deflecting, hiding what they know, protecting the guilty parties after the fact is involved, even if they were a thousand miles away when it happened.

I agree 100%

I am talking about committing a criminal act in the disappearance and imo murder of Haleigh.

I just cannot wrap my head around the possibility that Misty just sat down with Ronald one day and said "let me tell you how I or Tommy or XXXXX murdered your little girl." (example only)

IMO

BBM

As far as I know, what Donjeta has stated would be a criminal act, if it involved a murder, especially the murder of a child...

Ron has lied about some things....Ron has hidden information, which we now know, was considered valuable to this investigation...and it was valuable enough for him to get a plea deal. go figure. And all of this happened surrounding the death of HIS DAUGHTER.....not someone else's child.....HIS CHILD. What other reason would a father have to do that if he was completely innocent? If he wasn't doing it to protect himself...then he was doing it to protect someone else.... and IMO, it was not Misty.

 

[Levi]

snipped from Art Harris article re: Chelsea 10/5/09

It was no game. Within hours, she’d raced back to Gainesville to pick up Misty’s mother and hightailed it back to the Sheriff’s Department, where she and Timmy joined the long line of family members for interviews, took polygraphs, and watched Ronald and Misty hand over the clothes they were wearing to police. “Ronald was wearing his company jumpsuit, like a blue work outfit that zipped up the front, and they both went in back and took off everything, including their underwear.”

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/

Sorry if this has already been posted. Playing catch up.

If it was dark in the trailer and no lights on, blue would look like black.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

Originally Posted by suspicious1
OK,,OBE, you asked if Ron got in touch with Misty while he was at work....HE DID...and let me tell you why....

Ron claimed to have been at work from 5p-3a....him and Misty got into an argument over the phone around 8:30p.....He was at work right? Then he did talked to Misty while he was at work...so he did get in touch with her that evening from work....Ron also talk to Tommy over the phone around 9pm...again...he was at work right? To sum it up...Ron talked to Misty and Tommy over the phone....WHILE HE WAS AT WORK.

And what if Haleigh was NOT seen alive before Ron left for work? what then?

The only people that have claimed to see Haleigh ALIVE after Ron left for work is Misty and GMSYkes, as far as I know. Are we to believe them?...we already know Misty is liar, and IMO, GMSykes is liar, too. There are people who seen Haleigh ALIVE after getting off the bus...but to my knowledge....that's it.

I would rather not waste my breath on Ron's "alibi" because without a time of death for Haleigh.....what does his "alibi" prove? I would really like to know...without a time of death, IMO, all it proves is that Ron spent part of his day at work....do you know what time Haleigh died? because I don't know....without a time of death, how can you exclude Ron...that's why I don't understand the theories that point to Ron being an innocent man simply because he has an alibi.

Hell, LE is just now saying that this is a HOMOCIDE...so even if they suspected that she was killed or dead before...it wasn't until just recently that they had proof that Haleigh was dead or killed......therefore, prior to calling it a HOMOCIDE in 2010...LE DID NOT have a time of death in 2009.....they still may not have a time of death...but I think that's what they are keying in on NOW.

You need a time of death...to even consider Ron's alibi.....so did LE....JMO..

:waitasec:You brought something up that now leads me to more questions lol. Since there was this alleged fight over the phone between Ron and Misty and Ron was at work, did anyone see/hear Ron on the phone at work at 8:30PM I wonder?
So, either one of two things, Ron was not in an area where he could be seen or heard-so that would poke holes in his alibi there IMO meaning he was not supervised all night while at PDM from what 4:30PM to 3:00AM per his attorney/work hrs.
Or LE has just not shared this information. Which, if he was heard then LE knows what the fight was really about and what Ron was saying to the other person on the other end of the phone.
Then there is the alleged call to Tommy around 9PM. Did anyone at work hear/see him on the phone then? There were anywhere from 25-90+ calls made by Ron....yet he was at work, you would think that someone would of heard what he was talking about or seen him texting/on the phone.

And IMO, if your at work and are making that amount of calls your boss/other employee will ask you what is going on and ask you to get off the phone or leave if there is some type of emergency. Yet, Ron didn't leave that night what he did was work an extra 3hrs. Why? He knew he was arguing with Misty prior, new she was on a 3 day drug binge, made 25-90+ calls and Misty did not pick up. Why did he stay at work? Still makes no sense to me. :no:

 

[oceanblueeyes]

OK,,OBE, you asked if Ron got in touch with Misty while he was at work....HE DID...and let me tell you why....

Ron claimed to have been at work from 5p-3a....him and Misty got into an argument over the phone around 8:30p.....He was at work right? Then he did talked to Misty while he was at work...so he did get in touch with her that evening from work....Ron also talk to Tommy over the phone around 9pm...again...he was at work right? To sum it up...Ron talked to Misty and Tommy over the phone....WHILE HE WAS AT WORK.

And what if Haleigh was NOT seen alive before Ron left for work? what then?

The only people that have claimed to see Haleigh ALIVE after Ron left for work is Misty and GMSYkes, as far as I know. Are we to believe them?...we already know Misty is liar, and IMO, GMSykes is liar, too. There are people who seen Haleigh ALIVE after getting off the bus...but to my knowledge....that's it.

I would rather not waste my breath on Ron's "alibi" because without a time of death for Haleigh.....what does his "alibi" prove? I would really like to know...without a time of death, IMO, all it proves is that Ron spent part of his day at work....do you know what time Haleigh died? because I don't know....without a time of death, how can you exclude Ron...that's why I don't understand the theories that point to Ron being an innocent man simply because he has an alibi.

Hell, LE is just now saying that this is a HOMOCIDE...so even if they suspected that she was killed or dead before...it wasn't until just recently that they had proof that Haleigh was dead or killed......therefore, prior to calling it a HOMOCIDE in 2010...LE DID NOT have a time of death in 2009.....they still may not have a time of death...but I think that's what they are keying in on NOW.

You need a time of death...to even consider Ron's alibi.....so did LE....JMO..

So was he able to get in contact with her anytime after 8:30 pm?

Did he specifically want to talk to Tommy or just called the Croslin home when he couldn't get Misty to answer her phone?

Right. In a lot of cases TOD is not known exactly. They didn't know the TOD for Laci and Conner either so LE built the circumstantial case based on the time lines they did have and put it together.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

:waitasec:You brought something up that now leads me to more questions lol. Since there was this alleged fight over the phone between Ron and Misty and Ron was at work, did anyone see/hear Ron on the phone at work at 8:30PM I wonder?
So, either one of two things, Ron was not in an area where he could be seen or heard-so that would poke holes in his alibi there IMO meaning he was not supervised all night while at PDM from what 4:30PM to 3:00AM per his attorney/work hrs.
Or LE has just not shared this information. Which, if he was heard then LE knows what the fight was really about and what Ron was saying to the other person on the other end of the phone.
Then there is the alleged call to Tommy around 9PM. Did anyone at work hear/see him on the phone then? There were anywhere from 25-90+ calls made by Ron....yet he was at work, you would think that someone would of heard what he was talking about or seen him texting/on the phone.

And IMO, if your at work and are making that amount of calls your boss/other employee will ask you what is going on and ask you to get off the phone or leave if there is some type of emergency. Yet, Ron didn't leave that night what he did was work an extra 3hrs. Why? He knew he was arguing with Misty prior, new she was on a 3 day drug binge, made 25-90+ calls and Misty did not pick up. Why did he stay at work? Still makes no sense to me. :no:

Art Harris corrected his spin of 90 calls. It was more like 24 and that may have been calls made before he went to work and while he was at work.

If he kept trying to get in touch with Misty and she wasnt answering after the 8:30 pm call then some of them he probably just hung up and others he left a short voice mail.

LE has all the phone records.

IMO

 

[suspicious1]

Suspicious1, that was said very early in the case when it was first unfolding. The case evolves as more information comes to light in the ongoing investigation. Of course the police are never going to divulge what they know. It is logical imo to believe after investigating for almost 20 months now they have uncovered evidence to make them surer of when this happened.

Long ago I remember reading that LE said they knew 95% of what had happened in that home that night. I have no reason to disbelieve them. Imo they know now whatever happened ..........happened when Ron was at work and the perps knew he was at work and what time his shift ended.

I have seen nothing to make me suspicious of GMSikes and I don't believe the police questions her credibility either. The folded clothes were still on the table so I do believe she did come there to return the clothes and saw the children.

I think the reason Haleigh has not been found is the same reason that many other victims are never found. The perps were trying to cover up their crime.

Most of the information you have listed is old news. Imo the police have not stood still and let the grass grow under their feet.

This will be a circumstantial case and imo they will arrest either Tommy or Misty of both for doing this and maybe Joe too.

LE knows so much more than we will probably ever know and we see where the heat has been turned up and it is on Tommy and Misty.......not Ron.

IMO

Whether the news is old or new...it is still apart of this case...because the news is old, it doesn't exist anymore or doesn't count? WOW....then you should throw that alibi out the window....that's old too.

But you're right, the case does evolve as new information come to light in an ongoing investigation......that's why there was a drug bust to get these people behind bars...Misty, Tommy, and RON. LE received information that these people were dealing in illegal narcotics...the case kept evolving.....Ron got a plea deal...for providing information concerning his dead daughter....information that they needed to help the case. I can't wait to see what happens when this case comes full circle....the plea deal should tell you that Ron was apart of the circle. He had information that could help. Had he not been....he wouldn't have had anything to add to this their case..nothing more than what he said in the beginning....As we know in the beginning Ron stopped talking to LE, although they still had questions for him....That's why I believe that LE have always known Ron had valuable information pertaining to this case, for whatever reason Ron didn't want to tell it, and LE knew he wasn't going to tell it, and it took for Ron to be put in a situation where he had no other choice but to tell it.

When all is said and done....I guarantee you see more than Misty and Tommy go down for taking part in this crime....

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If it was dark in the trailer and no lights on, blue would look like black.

We aren't talking about what it would look like that night.

Chelsea already said it was a blue work jumpsuit when she was there the next morning when they took Ron and Misty's clothing.

In the morning time the blue uniform could not have been mistaken as black. Yet conveniently, even though she had already told Art Harris a long time ago it was a "blue" jumpsuit, on JVMs show she conveniently morphed it into being black.

Guess she has a hard time remembering what she has already said.

IMO

 

[saqqara]

I completely agree with OBE on the plea deal. In my opinion people are making way too big of a deal about this meaning Ron knows something, was holding something back or is saving his .

LE knows more than we do. You can guarantee they have verified all those phone calls, confirmed sightings of Ron at work and interviewed other employees as to his demeanor that night. Even had they not viewed Ron as a suspect, they generally would have done the ground work to RULE him out in the beginning.

Knowing what they know (LE) and knowing that eventually this case will be tried LE and Prosecutors would want to guarantee that Ron would cooperate with them in the future possibly against his ex-wife. They are throwing him in jail - they are going to want to have some sort of olive branch to ensure that when they build a case against whomever perpetrated this crime they can use all the evidence they have gathered and are aware of.

Yes, we can assume Ron would have given his help anyway - it's his daughter. But LE and the Prosection can secure his assistance with a plea deal and Ron would be an idiot to turn it down.

Again I respect everyone's right to theorize but we have to be careful not to theorize blindly or on gut reaction. LE has at their disposal far more information than we do and althought I am sure they do make mistakes, we should assume those mistakes are minimal and glean from their actions what direction we think they are taking.

LE and the Prosecutors offered a plea deal - because they believe someone else is responsible and they want to build the strongest case possible against that person.

 

[Nonni Brenda]

So was he able to get in contact with her anytime after 8:30 pm?

Did he specifically want to talk to Tommy or just called the Croslin home when he couldn't get Misty to answer her phone?

Right. In a lot of cases TOD is not known exactly. They didn't know the TOD for Laci and Conner either so LE built the circumstantial case based on the time lines they did have and put it together.

IMO

Your're right about TOD in these other cases, but in this case, TOD not being known means that his alibi is only good for the hrs he was at work. If TOD was any other time, then he has no alibi, as far as we know.

 

[saqqara]

Sorry a few other things.

I keep seeing reference to Ron refusing to cooperate with the police. I must have missed that come some please find me a source.

Secondly - and this is my opinion. We have had it emphatically stated that had Ron known he would have "killed" whomever was responsible. Personally I think that's a stressed...but why do people think Crystal is any different? She lost her daughter and she has a mother's instincts. Regardless of her past with Ron if she believed in anyway shape or form that Ron was responsible for her daughter's death - I cannot believe she would be supporting him or griefing his sentence in anyway.

Secondly - the theory of junior mistaking Ron as the man in black, I think is very unlikely. I do not believe junior would have not recognized his dad no matter what he was wearing. Every seen a child fooled by his own parent dressed as santa claus? Mannerisms, movement, even if someone never spoke. Kids are intuned to their parents. It is not based on look alone and costumes rarely fool their kids. While I believe junior's statement is very likely a key part of this story. I jsut can't wrap my brain around it being Ron.