2010.10.11 - JVM show discussing Haleigh case

[suspicious1]

Wow. Your post made me realize that even if they had enough to charge someone, they cannot without Misty. Misty not only has to tell but agree to testify. Misty keeping quiet does not protect from charges but from a guilty verdict if someone is charged.

Misty quiet means that the SA cannot get passed reasonable doubt. Misty quiet is the "someone else (Misty) did it, not the defendant" the defense needs to win.

1Chump, that's why I feel that Misty is getting the most pressure...because IMO, without her...they can't charge and convict the one responsible...and whomever is responsible felt well protected as long as Misty kept quiet and claimed to have been at the mh ALL NIGHT......LE needs Misty.

 

[justus4all]

1Chump, that's why I feel that Misty is getting the most pressure...because IMO, without her...they can't charge and convict the one responsible...and whomever is responsible felt well protected as long as Misty kept quiet and claimed to have been at the mh ALL NIGHT......LE needs Misty.

What does the LE NEED TO DO...to get her to co operate??/
What CAN they do???

Perhaps her atty is working on a strategy for her ..I hope so...

 

[cyberborg]

What does the LE NEED TO DO...to get her to co operate??/
What CAN they do???

Perhaps her atty is working on a strategy for her ..I hope so...

I personally think that it is ALL on Misty's attorney.

LE have burnt their bridges with Misty, trying to break her and she likewise does not trust them ... as part of her upbringing.

I had never thought of it before but, if the Cummings have threatened to present a united front that they were all covering for Misty and Misty killed HaLeigh then ... that's hard to deal with.

Misty's attorney needs to focus on the HaLeigh case as a potential solution to save Misty but, he can only do that if Misty opens up and wants his help.

Misty may feel trapped with no-one she can trust or reach out to without making things worse for herself.

Misty needs to do the right thing and bring justice to HaLeigh and damn the rest.

 

[justus4all]

I personally think that it is ALL on Misty's attorney.

LE have burnt their bridges with Misty, trying to break her and she likewise does not trust them ... as part of her upbringing.

I had never thought of it before but, if the Cummings have threatened to present a united front that they were all covering for Misty and Misty killed HaLeigh then ... that's hard to deal with.

Misty's attorney needs to focus on the HaLeigh case as a potential solution to save Misty but, he can only do that if Misty opens up and wants his help.

Misty may feel trapped with no-one she can trust or reach out to without making things worse for herself.
Even with her distrust of the LE...

Misty needs to do the right thing and bring justice to HaLeigh and damn the rest.

bolded by me...

I hope her attorney can persuade Misty to tell everything she knows and to stop covering for the Cummings...If the truth is that the Cummings are responsible for Haleigh's death..say it...tell it...

I am not in Misty's shoes..or Misty's frame of mind...so I can't imagine what she is feeling/thinking...but I am guessing she is afraid to implicate the Cummings..they may try to kill her family...and she maybe weighing just that in her mind...These folks scare the ---- out of me....

Their "threats" ...pointing "gun" finger and making the sounds of gunshots then telling her family members they are done for....that sent a message......this will happen to you...absolutely a threat..

Ending the life of an little animal and (sorry) de-heading it, putting it in a mail box....that sent a message..this will happen to you....absolutely a threat....

Misty may have a reason of herself involvement, but if she did not kill Haleigh, the LE will arrest who did...she just needs to say it

I hope Misty's attorney..gives Misty the strength she needs, the encouragement she needs, the best advice possible for her ...that she needs right now...

Another thought here, perhaps Misty is willing to talk, to tell all, but...is balking on the testifying in court....for fear...

I am hoping she can go forward, now...

imo

 

[lonetraveler]

Even if this case is never solved, Tommy should still be charged with those things, because he's admitted to that much!

Yep, I agree. Wonder why LE hasn't charged Tommy with at least this one thing. Misty has put him taking Haleigh away from the MH and Tommy has put himself at the Mh and present at the "taking away of a dead Haleigh" from the MH and present at the time of disposal. So why hasn't LE made a move on this, UNLESS, UNLESS they actually think that they have a chance of nailing the ONE who actually killed Haleigh? This tells me that Misty is not the one who killed Haleigh or both she and Tommy would have already been charged. Both Misty and Tommy have changed the "Joe did it" story. However, both Misty and Tommy claim to not be the one to kill Haleigh. Please God, tell me that LE is actually thinking outside of the obvious!:innocent:

 

[lonetraveler]

I personally think that it is ALL on Misty's attorney.

LE have burnt their bridges with Misty, trying to break her and she likewise does not trust them ... as part of her upbringing.

I had never thought of it before but, if the Cummings have threatened to present a united front that they were all covering for Misty and Misty killed HaLeigh then ... that's hard to deal with.

Misty's attorney needs to focus on the HaLeigh case as a potential solution to save Misty but, he can only do that if Misty opens up and wants his help.

Misty may feel trapped with no-one she can trust or reach out to without making things worse for herself.

Misty needs to do the right thing and bring justice to HaLeigh and damn the rest.

Personally? I truly think that Misty needs a new attorney for the drug charge appeal and she needs to get a competent, bulldog of an attorney for possible charges for Haleigh's death and disposal. I'm not saying that she directly killed Haleigh but she was definitely involved in some way. She needs an attorney who has the experience and expertise needed to get the truth out and to get LE moving in the right direction.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

IMO, the only ones that know the absolute truth are the Cummings...Tommy and Misty may know something but IMO, they don't know as much as the Cummings.

JMO of course

And of course you certainly are entitled to believe that Suspicious.

However I still believe the ones who know the truth are the two that have lied consistently from day one and protects the truth because it implicates only them.

Misty and Tommy.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1010/11/ijvm.01.html

HARRIS: She -- she`s got eight days, Jane, to decide what if anything else she is going to say since I last was on your show and reported she has told law enforcement that Tommy took Haleigh out of the trailer.[B] She has changed her story yet again and says she was sleeping and that she believes Tommy unlocked the trailer once earlier in the night and came back later to get Haleigh or let somebody else in. She is a little vague. [/B]

I do think Misty told Chelsea a half truth.

IMO, Tommy did take Haleigh out of the trailer after Misty killed Haleigh.

IMO

 

[cyberborg]

Yep, I agree. Wonder why LE hasn't charged Tommy with at least this one thing. Misty has put him taking Haleigh away from the MH and Tommy has put himself at the Mh and present at the "taking away of a dead Haleigh" from the MH and present at the time of disposal. So why hasn't LE made a move on this, UNLESS, UNLESS they actually think that they have a chance of nailing the ONE who actually killed Haleigh? This tells me that Misty is not the one who killed Haleigh or both she and Tommy would have already been charged. Both Misty and Tommy have changed the "Joe did it" story. However, both Misty and Tommy claim to not be the one to kill Haleigh. Please God, tell me that LE is actually thinking outside of the obvious!:innocent:

Good point because if it was just limited to Misty and Tommy then if they charge and pursue Tommy for his part it could cause him to spill the rest of the story to save himself. To me, there has to be more than Misty and Tommy as far as LE is concerned.

 

[B4igo2it]

They are all drug users, and immature on top of that. We only know part of the story of the marriage and the rat in the mailbox. What we do know is that RC supposedly has an alibi that holds up with LE. Until that circumstance changes, those other issues are "after the fact" events that probably don't tell us much about what happened to Haleigh. Humans always want to connect the dots and turn all of the events in the pile into a coherent narrative. To do that in this case is to ignore the most important point regarding Ron: he has an alibi that has yet to be challenged by LE or anyone else with concrete evidence.

Regarding his alibi -:waitasec:

1) we "have learned" there is a hole in the fence there @ PDM,
2) we "have learned" that it is possible that the children have slept in his vehicle while he was working there,
3) we "have Learned" that a time keeper could be bribed or coerced to clock a person in or out (anyways that was possible to do 18 months ago)
4) we do not know for a fact what hours RC did or did NOT work that day
5) we do not have any proof that he was absolutely on PDM property the entire night (work shift)
6) we would love to see his cell phone records and knowledge of ping locations
7) I would like to know if he had any visitors at work that evening
8) there are a lot of trees and wooded areas around PDM that I suspect were never searched for a missing daughter of a PDM employee

Yes, he was @ werk alright ... that defense means nothing to me!

 

[dodie20]

to answer the original question...a different day, a different answer. I'm getting sick of Misty. If cops hadn't made her public enemy number 1, maybe she would've been more forthcoming. maybe not, but their way sure hasn't wielded many results. But unless Misty was severely traumatized in some way, there's no sense in this. If she's guilty, come clean, & work on a deal...& if she's covering for somebody, rat his murdering azz out. & that includes her own brother..

 

[Emeralgem]

to answer the original question...a different day, a different answer. I'm getting sick of Misty. If cops hadn't made her public enemy number 1, maybe she would've been more forthcoming. maybe not, but their way sure hasn't wielded many results. But unless Misty was severely traumatized in some way, there's no sense in this. If she's guilty, come clean, & work on a deal...& if she's covering for somebody, rat his murdering azz out. & that includes her own brother..

Are you referring to Tommy or Timmy? As I see it she has never had a problem ratting out Tommy about anything...Her loyalty seems to be with Timmy and Ronald Cummings. And I certainly don't believe Timmy is responsible for Haleigh's death.. Not saying he doesn't know what happened though...I suspect he does..As I see it, no one in Misty's family will come forward and tell the truth as they know it to be concerning Ron C's involvement due to the fact... when they do it will prove they all knew from day one what had happened and will be implicated..JMHO

 

[joeskidbeck]

Regarding his alibi -:waitasec:

1) we "have learned" there is a hole in the fence there @ PDM,
2) we "have learned" that it is possible that the children have slept in his vehicle while he was working there,
3) we "have Learned" that a time keeper could be bribed or coerced to clock a person in or out (anyways that was possible to do 18 months ago)
4) we do not know for a fact what hours RC did or did NOT work that day
5) we do not have any proof that he was absolutely on PDM property the entire night (work shift)
6) we would love to see his cell phone records and knowledge of ping locations
7) I would like to know if he had any visitors at work that evening
8) there are a lot of trees and wooded areas around PDM that I suspect were never searched for a missing daughter of a PDM employee

Yes, he was @ werk alright ... that defense means nothing to me!

Right B4, also, we have no idea at what time something happened to Haleigh. If she was harmed before he went to work, his alibi is worthless.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Regarding his alibi -:waitasec:

1) we "have learned" there is a hole in the fence there @ PDM,
2) we "have learned" that it is possible that the children have slept in his vehicle while he was working there,
3) we "have Learned" that a time keeper could be bribed or coerced to clock a person in or out (anyways that was possible to do 18 months ago)
4) we do not know for a fact what hours RC did or did NOT work that day
5) we do not have any proof that he was absolutely on PDM property the entire night (work shift)
6) we would love to see his cell phone records and knowledge of ping locations
7) I would like to know if he had any visitors at work that evening
8) there are a lot of trees and wooded areas around PDM that I suspect were never searched for a missing daughter of a PDM employee

Yes, he was @ werk alright ... that defense means nothing to me!

And also the truth is that none of the things you have listed havie been proven to be a fact either. So that goes both ways.

How do you punch someone out if a figerprint scan is needed?

I have no reason to see employee records, cell phone records and ping locations. It is obvious that LE has them all and have checked all of this out a long time ago. They are the investigators with the facts in this case and certainly not me. I am just a poster on a message board.

IMO

 

[noseyone]

FACT = Fingerprint scan was installed after Haleigh Cummings went Missing, not before. This is a Fact! However, I see it stated often that it was in place at the time that Haleigh went missing, This is not a FACT. MO is that Ronald Cummings is very much guilty of all that happened. MO is that he showed his guilt right from the very first hysterical crying, falling down, performance he gave. All My Opinion.

 

[suspicious1]

FACT = Fingerprint scan was installed after Haleigh Cummings went Missing, not before. This is a Fact! However, I see it stated often that it was in place at the time that Haleigh went missing, This is not a FACT. MO is that Ronald Cummings is very much guilty of all that happened. MO is that he showed his guilt right from the very first hysterical crying, falling down, performance he gave. All My Opinion.

Welcome to Websleuths...Noseyone...oh and I love the name...I wish I would've thought of that first...LOL


:Welcome-12-june:

 

[lil momma]

FACT = Fingerprint scan was installed after Haleigh Cummings went Missing, not before. This is a Fact! However, I see it stated often that it was in place at the time that Haleigh went missing, This is not a FACT. MO is that Ronald Cummings is very much guilty of all that happened. MO is that he showed his guilt right from the very first hysterical crying, falling down, performance he gave. All My Opinion.

I agree with you! Funny that the camera by the time clock was also turned up that night, so it wouldn't record who was punching in and out that evening....JMO

and WELCOME to WS

 

[Baznme]

And also the truth is that none of the things you have listed havie been proven to be a fact either. So that goes both ways.

How do you punch someone out if a figerprint scan is needed?I have no reason to see employee records, cell phone records and ping locations. It is obvious that LE has them all and have checked all of this out a long time ago. They are the investigators with the facts in this case and certainly not me. I am just a poster on a message board.

IMO

BBM - Somewhere deep within these threads are comments from other posters (from the Satsuma area) that have stated PDM did not install the timeclocks with fingerprint identification until AFTER Haleigh disappeared so that theory does not hold water IMO. Must have been an important reason for that major change to company policy, don't ya think?

 

[lonetraveler]

Regarding his alibi -:waitasec:

1) we "have learned" there is a hole in the fence there @ PDM,
2) we "have learned" that it is possible that the children have slept in his vehicle while he was working there,
3) we "have Learned" that a time keeper could be bribed or coerced to clock a person in or out (anyways that was possible to do 18 months ago)
4) we do not know for a fact what hours RC did or did NOT work that day
5) we do not have any proof that he was absolutely on PDM property the entire night (work shift)
6) we would love to see his cell phone records and knowledge of ping locations
7) I would like to know if he had any visitors at work that evening
8) there are a lot of trees and wooded areas around PDM that I suspect were never searched for a missing daughter of a PDM employee

Yes, he was @ werk alright ... that defense means nothing to me!

Great post BTW! One comment I have about the children sleeping in the car is: Does anyone believe that Ron clocked out and in everytime that he "checked' on the children in the parking lot? I'm betting that he didn't. There was a standard timeclock in operation at that time and I'm betting that the guard let him go to his vehicle without having to clock out. There is no way that Ron would want it to show on his timecard that he was clocking in and out several times in one shift. He was a new employee, that really wouldn't look very good, would it? I bet that guard let him come and go whenever he wanted and was convinced to just "look the other way". Ron could have very easily left the plant and returned. The guard's job would have been in jeopardy if he had come forward in the beginning of this case. I'm thinking that he probably no longer works at PDM and that is why we now hear about Ron having his children sleep in the car. Retiring from a job at a similar industry with the same security procedure, I will also bet that PDM investigated security issues after the Haleigh case happened and information was discovered that showed that discrepancys. The new and improved hand scan security equipment may be a result of the investigation.

 

[dodie20]

Are you referring to Tommy or Timmy? As I see it she has never had a problem ratting out Tommy about anything...Her loyalty seems to be with Timmy and Ronald Cummings. And I certainly don't believe Timmy is responsible for Haleigh's death.. Not saying he doesn't know what happened though...I suspect he does..As I see it, no one in Misty's family will come forward and tell the truth as they know it to be concerning Ron C's involvement due to the fact... when they do it will prove they all knew from day one what had happened and will be implicated..JMHO

I was referring to Tommy, since according to Art's sources, Misty is now pointing at him. & he, himself, through his Joe story, put himself at the scene & disposal. I don't know how much of his information was accurate, (probably not much), but I have a hard time believing that he fabricated so much, just to get out of jail, or would cover for Ron. I know he was desperate, & desperate people lie & false confess, but Tommy seems to be scrambling for his life. & I realize those 2 have ratted each other out in the past, but a child's murder is different-especially Misty's bf's child, that she took responsibility for. I can see a young girl wanting to just not think about it or deal with it. Some people are very adept at pushing negativity out of their conscious minds. I'm not 100% committed to any 1 theory, except that I think Ron, Misty, & Tommy are all guilty of something, (& Timmy & Joe), but I do lean towards Tommy being the perp. & I'm curious...I know Ron being the perp is your #1 theory, (lol, who doesn't?), but do you have a 2nd theory? Do you think it's possible that Ron has been covering for Misty? or just been selfishly covering for his other crimes? because if you have some other ideas, I'd sure be interested in reading them, in the theory section.