2010.09.27 - Issues with JVM discussing bombshell developments in Haleigh Case

[Donjeta]

CHELSEA CROSLIN, MISTY`S SISTER-IN-LAW: Thank you for having me.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: I know it`s difficult for you, but we`re going to get through this.

You are married to Misty Croslin`s brother, Timmy, not Tommy, the one in jail. Timmy. You`re saying you know what happened the night little Haleigh vanished. Tell us your theory of what happened to Haleigh the night she vanished.

"Know" and "have a theory" are two completely different things, Jane.

C. CROSLIN: My theory of what happened the night Haleigh vanished, as far I`m being told from Misty being brought into an interrogation a few days ago, they told her that if she didn`t tell the missing part, that she would get 50 years in prison.

50 years is bad but the trouble is it is a good incentive to invent yet another lie if you're not inclined to tell the truth because it could get you 50 years anyway.

My theory of what happened that night, is that Haleigh ODed in the home. I think that she got a hold of Ronald`s pills, and she died accidentally. I think that the argument phone calls between Ronald and Misty were over how to get rid of the body and Ronald threatening Misty to tell what the truth was.

She thinks a lot but doesn't know?

I believe that the theory of Tommy and Joe being involved in this situation, have led me to believe at this point, that they would have just gone there to help basically cover up and set up the scene to make it look like a kidnapping. I don`t believe that Haleigh was taken out of that home besides deceased before she left.

It is possible but Tommy is a problem because he didn't fess up to taking the body away, he and Misty made up a whacky story about Joe going crazy and threatening them with violence. Why blame Joe instead of Ron?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: What proof do you have of this? In other words, where did you get this theory about the fact that we`d heard this before, that she took drugs. But you`re saying that she took drugs in the trailer, drugs that would belong to Ron and/or Misty. She ODed, and then who -- who -- what did Ron do?

That's an awful question to ask IMO, so many parts and none of them get answered.

C. CROSLIN: I believe -- well, Ronald knows that they were his pills. Ronald is the one who had possession of many pills. Ronald used to call himself the drug boy. He had a dresser in his bedroom that had his drugs in it that would be accessible to his daughter to get to.

Ronald calls himself the drug boy? Chelsea fails to be very convincing because she just believes. When she says that Ronald was the one who had possession of many pills I can believe the possession of pills part but I bet he wasn't the only one in this fiasco who had pills in their possession.

As far as Misty not paying attention to her or, you know, leaving the home that night, I don`t believe that happened. I think Misty probably, with her three-day binge, was asleep. I think that she had -- she had fallen asleep and left the children awake, thinking that, you know, they were just going to be running around the home or playing, and had woken up to possibly Haleigh dead from taking -- from taking pills.

Doesn't she think that falling asleep leaving the children running around counts as not paying attention to them?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And who disposed of the body?

C. CROSLIN: I don`t know who disposed of the body. But, as far as the stories that are being told, that, you know, Joe and Tommy were the ones that were called the scene to get rid of him, get rid of Haleigh. And it would make sense, because there was a phone call from Ronald calling Tommy when Ronald claims that he says that he told Tommy to go check on Misty, because she wasn`t answering the phone. I think that was Ronald calling Tommy to tell him to go help his sister get rid of the child.

If it was Joe and Tommy helping Misty dispose of the body and then Misty and Tommy turned on Joe for some reason, what was his reaction? Wouldn't he be the key? I would dearly love to know what Joe has said about all this because I believe it could either corroborate this theory or ruin it.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Well, you have something that Ron, you believe, was showing up at the house in a black outfit because the little boy said a man in black came and took Haleigh.

C. CROSLIN: Well, when Junior -- the story was released by Crystal in the very beginning. The first day that I seen Junior, I ran up and gave him a hug, and he told me his sister was missing. I told him, "Don`t worry, baby. We`re going to find her, and we`re going to bring her home. And he circled his hand around my face like this, and he said, "No, Aunt Chelsea. The man in all black came in and took my sister."

So Jr. told that story from day 1?

VELEZ-MITCHELL: And who do you think that is?

C. CROSLIN: The only theory I can think of is Ronald. Because that morning at the sheriff`s department, I was supposed to get clothes for Ronald and Misty to change into so they could take the clothing that they were wearing. And Ronald was wearing from the feet to the end of the arms a black jump suit and boots.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: OK. Well, let me say, first of all, that we called Ron`s attorney, and he had no comment. But he is invited on at any time to tell his
side of the story. And again, nobody has ever been charged in little Haleigh`s disappearance, which makes it such a mystery.

I'm not sure it makes sense because if Chelsea believes Joe and Tommy disposed of Haleigh why would Ron have taken her away in all black? Did Ron first take her to the dumpster and then Tommy and Joe did something or what??

 

[MADJGNLAW]

If Ron wore black jumpsuits to work he could have had several there at the trailer. Misty could have put one on or Tommy. If a person wanted a jumpsuit to put on over their own clothes, they might have wanted to do some digging in addition to not being seen in the dark. Wonder if any jumpsuits are missing, and what really happened to the workboots that Lindsay told Tommy she threw out.

From the way it sounds LE has the "so called black jumsuit" that Ron was wearing if true what Chelsea said. LE took his clothe as well as Misty's off their back that am, if I am not mistaken they also took Joe's when he came in for questioning.

Lindsay had said to Tommy that she had thrown out Tommy & Timmy's work boots in that jail visit, I wonder if she really did throw them out or turned them over to LE. When she said that to Tommy I was wondering the reason why she even told him she threw them out.
:waitasec:And why were Timmy's boots over at Tommy's?

I agree that if Ron had black work jumpsuits in that MH anyone who knew him and knew where they were could of just took one. But for some reason Chelsea bringing this up last nights make me wonder even more what all Chelsea really knows.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

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OK ...here is a thought...WHAT IF........when the LE collected Ron's clothes the next day.....and he was still wearing the jumpsuit...what if...the forencis found there was dirt/mud...on them....that was the same type/kind..found at another location the LE searched..and found some evidence...

which leads to this question...how is the LE calling this case a homicide???....Where is the evidence???? showing she was killed???

IMO..folks pointing fingers....do not...make it a homicide...

justus4all, that is what I have been thinking since LE announced that this was now a homicide investigation. I have alway felt that LE had found some type of evidence/decomposition on someones clothe early on, and also during one of the many searches, maybe the one in April something else was found with decomposition.
:waitasec: Maybe an article of clothing that Haleigh was wearing, someone else's clothing -maybe a black jumpsuit, a blanket, or a bag. But IMO, LE had to of found something, I highly doubt that they would change the status of a missing child case to a homicide case in a year and half just because someone may of said she was dead (if Misty/Tommy's version of Joe killed Haleigh). Just because one of these many liars would say it I doubt that would be the reason for LE to believe it. They have to have some type of forensic evidence to back up their claims of this now being a homicide investigation IMO.

 

[Emeralgem]

Chelsey's theory about Haleigh overdosing on the pills is a crock and she knows it..
If Ron and Misty were fighting at 8:30 pm on the phone over how to get rid of Haleigh's body when did Haleigh die from an overdose while Misty was sleeping since GGMS claims she was at the MH close to 8:00 pm that night and saw Haleigh alive and well...IIRC GGMS stated Haleigh was her wonderful self when she saw her..
Not that I believe GGMS saw Haleigh alive and well because I don't but IMHO.. Chelsey wants Misty to claim Haleigh overdosed since she is going to jail anyways so she and Timmy will not be implicated for knowing what really happened, their involvement and lying to LE from the beginning..

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

I always try to call into JVM but can never get through...:waitasec:

I believe it was Misty who gave something to HaLeigh or she lost her cool...she just came back from her three day binge, she did not want to babysit.
Could she have given something to HaLeigh? Maybe HaLeigh was acting out, being a little hyper, did not want to go to sleep but Misty needed to!
Could she have lost her temper and slapped her too hard???
Why wasn't Misty answering her phone?
Did she ask ToC and JO to help her when she realized HaLeigh was deceased?? Did one of them (JO/ToC) try giving her CPR on that bouncing couch??? If Jr. was awake, how much more did he know/see, is he able to verbalize well? What clothes did JO have on that night, same with ToC!

The rear door to the MH is "always" locked, so who unlocked it? LE claims they saw no tampering on that door or the lock, so who else had a key? LE also claims there was no crime committed at the MH, so I'm assuming they saw no evidence of any misdoings!

Misty has nothing to loose by telling the "real" truth. It might do her some good to get it off her chest. If precious HaLeigh accidently OD's, one call to 911 might have saved her. To heck with the repurcussions afterwards for someone would have to be held responsible for having illegal drugs around the house and the children and someone would have been charged with neglect. Ron would have definately lost custody but would Ron have someone get rid of his heart??? I don't think he would. I don't think Ron was giving the instructions on getting rid of his child's body or that he disposed of his own child. He truly seemed overcome with emotions that first day. Sure, his emotions would be stifled if he's using oxycodone but he truly seemed genuine...Chelsea is trying too hard to implicate Ron. LE has said, they were satisified with his work hours. Misty seems sneaky, IMO and I think this is all her doing, JMHO

Maybe Ron is trying to cover for Misty? Maybe she has told him what happened and this is what he relayed to the prosecutors and now they are just waiting for Misty to crack...I wish something would and bring this child home! It's long overdue, HaLeigh needs to come home!

I think JVM's show is not giving enough time to any stories she airs. She's trying to cram in too many in an hours show, allowing only about 15-20 minutes for each case she shows...JMHO


Where is HaLeigh?

 

[badme102]

Here is where Chelsea is singing the praises of Ron being a great father...
Snip~


Now isn't that just a little bit different than what she's singing now?

http://www.artharris.com/2009/10/05/exclusive-inside-the-haleigh-cummings-family-feud/
ETA~Oops! Sorry to repeat your post Emma, guess we both went hunting for it...just saw your post

Yeah that kind of reminds me of how TN sang Misty's praises and hailed her Mommy of the century, and "the best girlfriend Ronald EVER had".....She sure changed her tune too, right?

People can change their minds as information comes to light. It's a human thing.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Would Jr. recognize his daddy? Not if his daddy was wearing a ski mask or a dark knit hat that covered his face.

Chelsea quotes Jr. as saying the man was "all in black" and she circles her face with her hand. Seems to be saying that Jr. somehow implied that the man's face was covered.

Just my opinion

I honestly don't see how anyone can believe Chelsea's present tale of the black work jumpsuit and now ski mask.

Next I expect to see her back on tv with a composite drawing (uncannily looking like Ron) saying Jr. described to her what the man in black looked like.:banghead: Will these shenanigans ever end?

First a year ago she said the uniform was blue..........now it has morphed into black (conveniently).

I really don't think many people would think that Ron Cummings could walk in his own home and do all this, and never utter a word, because no matter what.... a child knows their own parent's voice. Ron Cummings is a motor mouth.

This case is so bizarre and all the Croslins seem to have a knack for lying and spinning outlandish tales.

Imo, Chelsea in her feeble attempt is trying to distance the true perpetrators of this crime. She wants Misty to tag Ron and protect the Croslins.

It ain't gonna work. No wonder LE doesn't return this woman's calls. She says one thing and then she says the opposite when it behooves her.

Now I am even wondering if she and Timmy had any involvement.

IMO

 

[SoSueMe]

I've always thought it was logical that Haleigh died from an OD. But, I don't think she got into some pills on her own....I think something was given to her. On orders from Ronald. After she died, I have a gazillion theories of what happened. But, I do believe that GGMS and TN know what happened.

I think this is plausible Amster. Perhaps Misty gave Haleigh something to calm/settle her down (she was probably really excited to have Misty back in the home) and she gave her the wrong thing, the wrong amount or whatever. Misty feels she is responsible for Haleigh's death and she feels that Ron is protecting her.

Tommy comes to the aid of his sister and feels he is protecting Misty.

In the end, they are all protecting Ron because Haleigh was his responsibility and possibly his illegal drugs.

I'm not convinced the grandmothers knew anything, but I do think they have covered for Ronald whenever possible.

~This is just my theory of sorts and has been for a while. It's also why I can believe some or most of what Chelsea put out on JVM. The exception being, Misty actually gave the drug(s) to Haleigh.~

 

[YellowSubmarine]

Would Jr. recognize his daddy? Not if his daddy was wearing a ski mask or a dark knit hat that covered his face.

Chelsea quotes Jr. as saying the man was "all in black" and she circles her face with her hand. Seems to be saying that Jr. somehow implied that the man's face was covered.

Just my opinion

This would certainly explain why RC was so quick to dismiss Jr saying this. It was a huge red flag to me when he was on the Today Show and didn't even toy with the notion it was possible. If I'd heard my child said this, possibly was a witness, I'd be finding a professional to talk to him more. His immediate response that CS was lying made me think there was some truth behind it.

 

[suspicious1]

Yeah that kind of reminds me of how TN sang Misty's praises and hailed her Mommy of the century, and "the best girlfriend Ronald EVER had".....She sure changed her tune too, right?

People can change their minds as information comes to light. It's a human thing.

Badme ITA with you.. IMO, Teresa did change her tune and GMSykes did too, but everybody is so focused on the Croslins. Not that I think their innocent in all of this...because they are not...but there is a bigger picture.

I think Teresa changed her tune because after going to jail, Misty was in a situation where if she didn't talk she would go down...and probably for the rest of her life....if she didn't tell everything she knew..but as I see it....Misty does not know everything...but Teresa knew that Misty knows enough. and what she knows is going to shed some negative light on the Cummings clan. JMO of course

 

[Amster]

If Haleigh died in the trailer, wouldn't LE have found evidence of that? Evidence of decomp.? Then, if she was moved using the van, same thing, evidence of decomp.? Were the cars and trucks of everyone, GGMS, TN, Ron, etc. inspected??

One thing I've wondered about....we never did see Butterbeans room, did we? Haleigh's had a bed frame with no mattress. Did Jr's. room have a bed with a mattress?

What evidence does that LE have that shows Haleigh was victim of homicide?

 

[justus4all]

If Haleigh died in the trailer, wouldn't LE have found evidence of that? Evidence of decomp.? Then, if she was moved using the van, same thing, evidence of decomp.? Were the cars and trucks of everyone, GGMS, TN, Ron, etc. inspected??

One thing I've wondered about....we never did see Butterbeans room, did we? Haleigh's had a bed frame with no mattress. Did Jr's. room have a bed with a mattress?

What evidence does that LE have that shows Haleigh was victim of homicide?

bolded by me

That is what the LE are keeping their lips zipped and information close to their vest.....

IMO...They have SOMETHING...to claim her death was not a "natural" one..

 

[PoppyH]

What a mess, I doubt we will EVER know what happened or who did whwt JMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

If Haleigh died in the trailer, wouldn't LE have found evidence of that? Evidence of decomp.? Then, if she was moved using the van, same thing, evidence of decomp.? Were the cars and trucks of everyone, GGMS, TN, Ron, etc. inspected??

One thing I've wondered about....we never did see Butterbeans room, did we? Haleigh's had a bed frame with no mattress. Did Jr's. room have a bed with a mattress?

What evidence does that LE have that shows Haleigh was victim of homicide?

Not necessarily. There would be no evidence if she was strangled or suffocated and then quickly removed from her home.

And if she was put inside a black garbage bag right after she was killed there would be no evidence in the vehicles.

IMO

 

[lonetraveler]

I wanted to say thanks to everyone for the recap of JVM, I no longer get her show ....

I havent posted much , just been trying to absorb all this new "hoopla" without going any more bonkers then I already am (lol). I hope this segment will show up on Youtube, I am really interested in Chelsea's body language tonight on the show or was she just on the phone ?
Thanks,
Mystic

LOL, I know how you feel. We may all need therapy before this case is ever solved.:dance:

 

[Levi]

Would Jr. recognize his daddy? Not if his daddy was wearing a ski mask or a dark knit hat that covered his face.

Chelsea quotes Jr. as saying the man was "all in black" and she circles her face with her hand. Seems to be saying that Jr. somehow implied that the man's face was covered.

Just my opinion

What is interesting is that Ron thought that was a bunch of bunk (about the man dressed in black.)

Now if he was at work, he didn't know anything, why was he so positive that JR's version wasn't true?

Check out the duo interview he and Misty did on the "Today Show" Ron was almost pissed that the interviewer even asked the question. Now we may know why he was so pissed!

Very interesting.

 

[Levi]

I was thinking about something.

Maybe Tommy/Joe helped clean up and the gun was for a reward? Pat Brown has mentioned this in the past.

Haleigh died before Ron went to work, and Tommy would help to cover for Misty and creepy (nice way to put it) Joe would help out for a gun, because he obviously has a weird fetish for machine guns...

 

[passionflower]

What is interesting is that Ron thought that was a bunch of bunk (about the man dressed in black.)

Now if he was at work, he didn't know anything, why was he so positive that JR's version wasn't true?

Check out the duo interview he and Misty did on the "Today Show" Ron was almost pissed that the interviewer even asked the question. Now we may know why he was so pissed!

Very interesting.

Thanks Levi, that is an "eye opener!"
IMO, Ron came home at 1 time and went back to work for an alibi.
Ron was the 'boss', told his puppets what to do.
TN arrived so fast. GGS came over.........bizarre!
IMO, they are all involved in some capacity.

 

[MADJGNLAW]

If Haleigh died in the trailer, wouldn't LE have found evidence of that? Evidence of decomp.? Then, if she was moved using the van, same thing, evidence of decomp.? Were the cars and trucks of everyone, GGMS, TN, Ron, etc. inspected??

One thing I've wondered about....we never did see Butterbeans room, did we? Haleigh's had a bed frame with no mattress. Did Jr's. room have a bed with a mattress?

What evidence does that LE have that shows Haleigh was victim of homicide?

Not sure what LE found in the MH on green they have been so tight lipped about any and all evidence they find. They report they find evidence, then they recant and say it has nothing to do with the investigation.

As for the Van, IMO there was no decomp in the Van. LE would of never gave it back if there was IMO. Kind of how LE still has Casey Anthony's car in the forensics bay..

IMO, from what little LE said, they felt that Haleigh died in the area of the St.John's river. If I am not mistaken the Magnolia MH is in that area? So, if Haleigh died at the MH on Magnolia, well to our knowledge LE never checked that MH, nor did they ever check Ron, TN, Freddie Cummings, GGMS, or anyone else's vehicles for the exception of Tommy's/Hank Sr.'s red truck.

Last I heard Tommy/Hank Sr.'s truck was not in FL, but that came from a not so good source if ya know what I mean. It sounded as if LE still had that truck. So, just maybe LE found something in the red truck?

As for Jr.'s room, no they did not show that in the tour for some reason. If memory serves right, TN had mentioned that Haleigh and Jr. were used to sleeping in the same room as Ronald and that is why Haleigh's mattress was on the floor.

 

[lil momma]

What is interesting is that Ron thought that was a bunch of bunk (about the man dressed in black.)

Now if he was at work, he didn't know anything, why was he so positive that JR's version wasn't true?

Check out the duo interview he and Misty did on the "Today Show" Ron was almost pissed that the interviewer even asked the question. Now we may know why he was so pissed!

Very interesting.

Agreed Levi!

To me this makes a lot of sense. Ron will always deny anything to do with whatever happened prior to HaLeighs death, IMO.

Just like in the beginning Ron denied the fight over the gun with Joe. One of his first interviews, he says There was no fight with no cousin over no gun.....
Funny, b/c now he has told LE there was in fact a fight over a gun with cousin Joe.

IMO, when Ron says something 9 times out of 10 the truth is the opposite of what he is saying... (did that make sense?)

JMO