2010.12.21 Stream of Motions - General Discussion

[Intermezzo]

They can still make a written argument. It's not like this would preclude or cancel the hearing. All it is is the defenses response to the states Motion to Show cause. It will be heard as part of that hearing.

I figure if nothing else it will make for some typically amusing reading.

bbm
I agree
Can't wait to read the excuse they came up with.

 

[Lera213]

Here is the youtube video of the call

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJ4eS-1I5iQ&feature=related[/ame]

 

[jennyb]

Nums has posted a link in the news thread to Bill S commenting on the jail vid and Maya. He states they will not be used because it may play into the defenses sad theory that KC was being set up by the sheriffs office and affect an appeal. It was KC's choice to make that first call home. She probably asked to make a call and called whom she wanted to call. No set up, just ICA's priorities taped for all the world to hear. I see no reason for it not to be entered into evidence. KC had a lawyer and the whatever ammendement right (Sorry Cdn here) to call and did.
They can play it while TonE testifies because you know the defense will attempt to shred him up and paint him as an accessory or the mastermind behind the accidental drowning. :twocents:

I DO think (hope) it will make it to trial (the jail vid with 'rents) just wasn't sure about it being viewed at the motion hearing.

But now I think it might.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Okay, I just relistened to Casey's phone call to Lee, and only Lee. Key points of interest --

-- Lee Anthony explains to Casey that everything is public record, this phone call, the jail visitations and says he would have asked things differently if he had known - and that they (the Anthony family) is 100% behind her. Agents of the State? I don't think so!

-- Lee asks Casey if there is anything that she can tell him. Casey has NOTHING!

-- Lee tells Casey that the "truth doesn't hurt." When Casey tells him that she plans to meet with detectives soon... which we know never happened.

-- Casey tells Lee that everyone has the same information. All spellings and information... she gave everyone the same information. More than once.

-- Her "gut" tells her that Caylee is okay. Blah... blah... blah... about a mother just "knowing."

-- Lee asks Casey if she has talked to Casey. Casey confirms, once again, that she did talk to Caylee on the afternoon (around noon) of July 15th, 2008 and the call came from a private number. She sticks to this story.

-- Lee wants Casey's log-in information on her AT&T account. Asks her if she has ever gotten a call from ZFG on this phone. Casey says, most definitely she has but can't remember any specific dates. Lee wants to know if she can remember an area code. Casey gives 954 as the last area code she knew ZFG to have, a Fort Lauderdale number. But there were also 407 and 231 area codes. ZFG had different numbers at different times, but the most recent being 954.

-- ZFG was programmed into her other phone... the Blackjack that she can't find. It is the same phone number as the phone she has now. Blah... blah... blah... about a Sim Card. Lee wants to know the story about the Blackjack phone and for Casey to help him with that. Casey says that the last time she had the phone was at Universal. Lee chimes in and asks if it was for work or otherwise - Casey answers that she was there talking to mutual friends - it wasn't for work - at that moment. She also had the phone at Jay Blanchard Park. It could have fallen out of her bag... out of her pocket. Lee wants to know how the phone was provided to her - she says through the AT&T store. Lee asks Casey if it is a personal phone and Casey replies back that, yes, it is a personal phone.

-- Lee wants to know if there was anyone outside of Jeff and Juliette who knew Caylee was missing. Casey says that no one outside of Jeff and Juliette knew Caylee was missing. He asks where Casey met Jeff and Juliette. Casey stays with the story that they were employees at Universal. Jeff was possibly through Kodack.

After this, the phone call comes close to an end... I love you's all around.

Nothing really earth shattering happened in this phone call other than the fact that Casey was sticking to most of her lies. The only noticable difference in this phone call from the statement she gave to LE (written and verbal) is that the Blackjack was now a personal phone and not a phone that was given to her from Universal.

I think the most blaring thing in this phone call is Casey still insisting that she talked to Caylee on July 15th, 2008.

 

[AZlawyer]

Maybe in chambers but not for the world to see. Not yet.

I should go ask AZ Lawyer on the other thread but I'm too lazy.

just wondering. When they play any videos to the jury during the trIal. Will they blot out all the F bombs KC expresses like they do for the tv audience. That goes for the rest of the family. I know CA uses that language also. Might not go over very well with a more mature jury.

The phone call home has already been released to the public. There's no reason to treat it as confidential at this point.

And no, the bad words will not be blotted out for the jury. The jury needs to know what was actually said.

 

[Lera213]

Couldn't the state bring an official from AT&T to show no such phone exsisted, showing proof ICA is a liar? To impeach her? I guess they could if and only if ICA takes the stand right?

 

[logicalgirl]

OK well as much as I hate to say it, I'm voting it will NOT BE PLAYED in open court.

It would be like them showing the tape of her reaction to the remains being found in a motion hearing to keep it out.

It ain't gonna be played, folks.

(Hope I'm wrong but IMO there's no way)

Yup, agree - this case is going to be based on the actual physical evidence, not by soliciting opinions as to what someone meant by the words or tone of a phone call. Call - out.

 

[jennyb]

Yup, agree - this case is going to be based on the actual physical evidence, not by soliciting opinions as to what someone meant by the words or tone of a phone call. Call - out.

No no, LOL!

I don't think I was clear in my post. I absolutely think the Judge will and SHOULD allow the jailhouse calls with family into the trial -- I was simply talking about the motions hearing to keep them out.

THEY'RE vitally important IMO. They tell the whole story. Her words, attitude, lack of caring about anyone but herself. It's insane, the way she practically scoffs at anyone worried about Caylee.

OMG. They have to come in. They're extremely important evidence to me!

(And I think I was wrong about them not being played in the motions hearing. I realize they're already pretty much in the "public domain" so to speak... so let the show go on...)

 

[jennyb]

Oh, and LG, no one has to interpret those phone calls to the jury. It won't take a PhD. Anyone with a brain and a heart will be able to interpret them just fine. They stand alone as a chilling indictment of this woman and her lack of love for the baby.

 

[MD MOMMY]

No no, LOL!

I don't think I was clear in my post. I absolutely think the Judge will and SHOULD allow the jailhouse calls with family into the trial -- I was simply talking about the motions hearing to keep them out.

THEY'RE vitally important IMO. They tell the whole story. Her words, attitude, lack of caring about anyone but herself. It's insane, the way she practically scoffs at anyone worried about Caylee.

OMG. They have to come in. They're extremely important evidence to me!

(And I think I was wrong about them not being played in the motions hearing. I realize they're already pretty much in the "public domain" so to speak... so let the show go on...)

I think they will most definitely come in. It totally shows state of mind IMO. She's just been arrested for the murder of her child and this is how she acts? It IMO has nothing to do with her tone or foul language. It has to do with her words, plain and simple. Her words ARE important IMO.

 

[CarolinaMoon]

I have seen many trials where jail phone calls are played for one reason or another. There is no claim to privacy, we've learned that well in the motions the defense has filed over and over. If there is ONE audio or video that has to be played at trial, that first call home has to the the one.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Alright... I'm going in! I'm going to listen to all the jailhouse interviews, LE interviews AGAIN(Casey, Cindy, Lee and George)! Wish me luck!

 

[beach]

The phone call home has already been released to the public. There's no reason to treat it as confidential at this point.

And no, the bad words will not be blotted out for the jury. The jury needs to know what was actually said.

ITA. I can't think of a reason it would be kept out. It goes to her state of mind.

It is no different that Scott Peterson's calls to Amber Frye and they certainly came in and had a huge impact, imo.

 

[logicalgirl]

Alright... I'm going in! I'm going to listen to all the jailhouse interviews, LE interviews AGAIN(Casey, Cindy, Lee and George)! Wish me luck!

OMG - don't do it!!! I hear those things in my sleep!!!

 

[logicalgirl]

No no, LOL!

I don't think I was clear in my post. I absolutely think the Judge will and SHOULD allow the jailhouse calls with family into the trial -- I was simply talking about the motions hearing to keep them out.

THEY'RE vitally important IMO. They tell the whole story. Her words, attitude, lack of caring about anyone but herself. It's insane, the way she practically scoffs at anyone worried about Caylee.

OMG. They have to come in. They're extremely important evidence to me!

(And I think I was wrong about them not being played in the motions hearing. I realize they're already pretty much in the "public domain" so to speak... so let the show go on...)

Okay I misunderstood you - sorry - LOL. I wasn't speaking about whether or not I "feel" they should or whether or not her words imply she cares for no one but herself. Clearly she could care less about Caylee - it is chilling listening to her!

I was simply stating I don't believe they will. When Cindy's 911 call was admitted, it was because 1) it was an excited utterance and 2) she was talking about the smell of the car - which is a piece of evidence.

ICA's phone call is about her attitude. And I'm not sure that particularly piece of documentation can be directly linked to her killing Caylee. What she says tells us she did or it certainly sounds like she did, but I don't know if the SA can tie it in, because it doesn't speak to "intent" - if that makes any sense.

I would be completely happy if this conversation and the jailhouse tapes were admitted. I'm just wondering about the "how", or under what "acceptable title" they would be admitted under.

I mean it's not really even behavior afterwards - is it? (That's a question - not a statement).

 

[logicalgirl]

Oh, and LG, no one has to interpret those phone calls to the jury. It won't take a PhD. Anyone with a brain and a heart will be able to interpret them just fine. They stand alone as a chilling indictment of this woman and her lack of love for the baby.

Oh I agree, but does it (help) to prove she killed her. Lots of people express no love whatsoever for their kids, but they don't kill them.

 

[logicalgirl]

Sorry guys - this looks like I wait until every one has gone to bed and then I slip in and argue with everyone. But - er - um - I am three hours behind most of you.

Just wanted to take a moment to explain my questioning. The real problem is the way I think and how I problem solve. So pretend my problem, (or a presentation or a sales pitch or whatever) is a tree. My whole "thing" is clarity, then a logical process, then I add the do dads to flush an idea out and make it look "pretty".

So if the SA's case against is a tree with bark and a gazillion leaves, what I would do is strip everything off, including the bark, and just have it there naked. Then the most important evidence would be the bark I would add. Then as needed, I would put the details such as this conversation(although I think there are more important ones) back on one by one until I was satisfied the finished product was balanced, but not overloaded by too much so - haha - you couldn't see the forest for the tree.

I should probably just go to bed and quit trying to explain. I just know for sure that a lot of the times a lot of detail is just too much and overwhelms the listener, so basically they absorb little or nothing. :nevermind:


:countsheep:

 

[RR0004]

I think they will most definitely come in. It totally shows state of mind IMO. She's just been arrested for the murder of her child and this is how she acts? It IMO has nothing to do with her tone or foul language. It has to do with her words, plain and simple. Her words ARE important IMO.

Ah...but she wasn't arrested for murdering her child just yet. It will be interesting to see what exactly the State wants included.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Okay I misunderstood you - sorry - LOL. I wasn't speaking about whether or not I "feel" they should or whether or not her words imply she cares for no one but herself. Clearly she could care less about Caylee - it is chilling listening to her!

I was simply stating I don't believe they will. When Cindy's 911 call was admitted, it was because 1) it was an excited utterance and 2) she was talking about the smell of the car - which is a piece of evidence.

ICA's phone call is about her attitude. And I'm not sure that particularly piece of documentation can be directly linked to her killing Caylee. What she says tells us she did or it certainly sounds like she did, but I don't know if the SA can tie it in, because it doesn't speak to "intent" - if that makes any sense.

I would be completely happy if this conversation and the jailhouse tapes were admitted. I'm just wondering about the "how", or under what "acceptable title" they would be admitted under.

I mean it's not really even behavior afterwards - is it? (That's a question - not a statement).

I can't give any legal argument as to why or how this call should come in, but I can tell you that it absolutely goes to Casey's state of mind in the first 24-36 hours after she was finally confronted with where her two-year-old child was. I think it is very important that Casey cared so much about getting to talk to Tony, because she hadn't gotten a chance to talk to him since that morning, all while she hadn't talked to or seen her two-year-old baby in 31 days and she thinking calling them was a waste... a huge waste... because someone dare care enough about Caylee to want to DIE if anything happened to her.

I believe it 100% is behavior.

Behavior; 1) the manner of conducting oneself 2) the way in which someone functions or operates.

She has no problem using the F-bomb numerous times when talking to her mother. Showing that she has no respect and isn't as fearful of her mother as she would like us all to believe.

She is refusing to take any blame for where she is at... in jail for lying to Law Enforcement. We all know that she has already admitted, herself, that she has lied to LE about extremely important information that has to do with her missing baby. She even later when talking to Lee, and not on purpose, admits that there was nothing to find out... not even what she told Detectives. So, here she is, again in her own words, admitting that she has lied to Law Enforcement. There was nothing to find out... only later when she is talking to Kristina rant and rave that LE isn't listening to a word she is saying. So one minute there is nothing to find out... another minute... they are not listening to her.

When talking to Kristina, she gives information on Zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez. Again stating that she had left Caylee with this woman... that she was the last person she seen Caylee with. Kristina asks a very important question... why isn't Casey crying or showing any emotion for where Caylee is at... Casey gives us a good little explanation as to why she can't be crying every ten minutes (like she wants to). She has to stay composed to talk to detectives... and tell them things (where nothing could be found out). We're told that they need to look in the New York database... North Carolina database.

The phone call ends with Kristina asking if what she is telling her is the truth... Casey says... I don't know where Caylee is at... that is the truth. So what? Was everything else a lie? Is she again admitting that everything else was a lie?

I also think that it is extremely important that Casey was upset that all anyone cared about was Caylee. All they cared about was getting Caylee back... State. Of. Mind. She was upset that all anyone cared about was Caylee... a missing two-year-old baby. A baby that had been missing for 31 days before she was even reported missing... and she wasn't even reported missing by Casey herself... actually, Casey wanted... One. More. Day.

MOO.

 

[AZlawyer]

Is there actually a motion to keep out the jail call home?? :waitasec: