2011.02.19 - Desiree puts on the pressure in Roseburg

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There was a comment upthread that she was handing out Halloween candy and going to nightclubs. I didn't see where anyone said that was a rumor or not true.
 
Oh wow! I caught the Halloween candy part and totally missed the partying part. :whoosh: Thanks for cluing me in!
 
Shadowboy said:
"It was concerning, because we have knowledge that she's handing out Halloween candy to children, she's going into bars, and enjoying the holidays with her family -- all while Kyron is not here. We thought it was time to step it up a notch," she said."

GMA this morning
http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-hormans-mother-speaks-stepmother/story?id=12959936
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I think this deserves it's own thread, but I can't start a
new one from my phone. It doesn't sound like TH is suffering at all, and I can just imagine Desiree's reaction to finding this out.
 
Aedrys said:
I think this deserves it's own thread, but I can't start a
new one from my phone. It doesn't sound like TH is suffering at all, and I can just imagine Desiree's reaction to finding this out.
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Well, I imagine Terri is on the lookout for hubby #4. She's gotta get out there and mingle! Money...er...husbands don't grow on trees, ya know! :crazy:
 
When Kaine and Desiree appeared on Good Morning America in July they intimated TH had help in Kyron's disappearance:

PUBLIC CONDEMNATION'
http://newsblaze.com/story/20100710110812kays.nb/topstory.html

" . . . A turning point of epiphany in the Thursday 'skull session' was when D and K expressed their belief that Terri had help in the kidnapping of their seven-year-old son, Kyron. A reporter asked them "Do you think she did it alone?" Desiree's response was:

"I don't think so, because honestly she didn't take out a contract on her husband alone, so I think she would probably need help." Right when Desiree says this, the dynamic, the furtive glance, between the misbegotten parents is nothing short of a revelation. It's as if the two have thought through this theory of Terri conspiring with another party in Kyron's disappearance."

LE has also stated their belief there was an accomplice in the crime.

Terri's attny has kept her quiet and I don't think he would allow her to 'answer Desiree's call for an answer to 'Where is Kyron'.

I guess I'm wondering why D & K don't try another tacktic and put some focus on the possible accomplice angle. Try and make them nervous so they make a mistake - maybe try to contact Terri.

Just sayin'.
 
Emma Peel said:
Logical.

But ... gitana did not include much on that list regarding the things we believe we know about Terri.

Putting 50 pieces of information together that seem weak or unrelated on their own - but tell a story all together ... is how it works if you are left with nothing but a circumstantial case. Right?

Not to mention, we don't know half of what MCSO knows about Terri. IMO, if we know 50, they likely have at least 100 pieces of information ... circumstantial as each may be. And they're keeping the best stuff to themselves.

JMHO
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It really just doesn't work that way. You can't multiply weak evidence to get strong evidence. Nothing on the list actually adds up to the kind of circumstantial evidence that works in court when added up. That kind of evidence is: nobody saw her do it, but we saw her running away from the site with bloody clothes. Believe it or not, that is what is meant by circumstantial evidence, not "we don't know if we think her story is plausible enough".

Things you believe you may know are even less persuasive. The more vague your sense of how much there is becomes -- the more it feels to you like one big persuasive ball of weaker claims adding up to one strong one -- the more likely it is you have been led astray by something every single person can experience.

Again, there is a well-known effect which all human beings can experience -- regardless of intelligence, and if anything, more intelligent people are more susceptible. This psychological effect results in the perception of a stronger argument than empirically exists.

If I say to you "That man looks like a creep", you evaluate only that claim -- you look at him and see if you think he looks like a creep.

If I say "That man looks like a creep, and he did something creepy to me" you are now MUCH more likely to see him as looking creepy because your mind thinks it has evidence he behaves creepy.

If I say "That man looks like a creep, and he did something creepy to me, and I've heard he's done lots of creepy things" something odd happens. Now you will begin to filter everything you see him doing through the assumption that it is more likely to be creepy. Because we tend to perceive what we look for -- because it is extremely easy to make anyone look creepy if you assume they are creepy first -- then you start seeing all kinds of "evidence" that makes you absolutely certain he really is not just creepy but constantly and dangerously creepy.

But you still have the same evidence you started with -- unsubstantiated claims and subjective interpretations.

Terri may very well have been involved in some way. I have no idea what happened. But it's very clear to me that a whole lot of people at some point chose her as their POI and then began to make the facts fit their theory instead of the other way around.
 
jwinchester said:
Terri may very well have been involved in some way. I have no idea what happened. But it's very clear to me that a whole lot of people at some point chose her as their POI and then began to make the facts fit their theory instead of the other way around.
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I don't believe that is what happened at all. I think Terri's own behavior is what caused her to become the POI. I also believe there is WAAAAAY more evidence than what has been divulged to the public. I believe LE has very good reason to suspect Terri, and Terri is the one who gave them those reasons. I think the facts are driving the theory.
 
Shadowboy said:
"It was concerning, because we have knowledge that she's handing out Halloween candy to children, she's going into bars, and enjoying the holidays with her family -- all while Kyron is not here. We thought it was time to step it up a notch," she said."

GMA this morning
http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-hormans-mother-speaks-stepmother/story?id=12959936
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This doesn't sound like an innocent person suffering to me. I realized she must have some kind of life, but going to bars? enjoying the holidays? Would a truly innocent person be able to enjoy themselves and have a life like this? It's like she's already moved on, and Kyron is not on her mind in the least.

It's even harder to think she's innocent at all now, at least to me. The picture of her has always been isolated and alone in her home with no internet or life, someone truly suffering because they are truly innocent. But no, that is not the case at all, and I am truly appalled and sickened.

We've seen in other cases how the guilty party reveals themselves because of how uncaring they are towards the victim. I imagine what Desiree did today was almost a direct result of finding out just how cold and uncaring TH really is. Kaine must be seething with rage too. How dare she have fun and live it up when Kyron is still missing! So much for missing her daughter and being isolated and alone. Terri, you might be silent, but your actions are speaking so much louder than your words ever could!

Opinions? Comments? What does this say about Terri's guilt or innocence? Is your opinon swayed or not by this disturbing news?
 
Shadowboy said:
"It was concerning, because we have knowledge that she's handing out Halloween candy to children, she's going into bars, and enjoying the holidays with her family -- all while Kyron is not here. We thought it was time to step it up a notch," she said."

GMA this morning
http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-hormans-mother-speaks-stepmother/story?id=12959936
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One more thought I was noodling...

One can understand how upsetting/concerning it is to Desiree that Terri lives in the comfort of her parent's home while refusing to help with regard to Kyron. I know I'd be upset about that every single day - not just the holidays - and I think Desiree is.

IMO, there's something else to this comment about holidays ...

If Terri's living with her parents during the holidays, wouldn't it only be logical that she participated in the holidays with them?

IMO, I'm wondering if that Halloween & Holidays comment was a not-so-subtle jab to a very specific audience. To wit - Terri's family.

In the past, Desiree (and, IIRC, Kaine) have reached out to Terri's family - tried to reason with them, to say they should know better, to suggest they should not be supportive of Terri at this time, and should ask her all the hard questions and get her to tell them everything she knows, and then that they should report what they have learned. IMO, it infuriates Desiree that Terri's family stands behind Terri.

As for the "out at bars" comment - similar thoughts. It's very concerning that every day that Terri is free she can and does choose to go about doing things like everything is normal while not helping to bring Kyron home. Every day and every thing she does. Not just the days she goes to bars.

But again - if you look at the bar comment it from the point of view of Desiree's indictment of Terri's family, IMO, I can hear Desiree saying that even though her family knows she has a drinking problem, they turn a blind-eye to Terri going to bars.

What else are Terri's parents turning a blind eye to?

That Desiree. She goes where so many would not dare to go. Attacking not only Terri, but Terri's family, right in their own front yard. And all for Kyron. Good on her. I just wish it would work.

PRESSssssshhhhhh-URE ON!

I could be wrong here, on Desiree's messaging. But I don't think so.
 
I started a new thread on the GMA comments. And yeah, totally agree the pressure is on. I hope it's enough! Kyron needs to be found!
 
I'd like to note that I have nothing but sympathy for Desiree, and while I can't applaud her choices, I also can't condemn them, because I understand how desperate and miserable she must be. I believe it would be impossible for her to act otherwise given what she believes, regardless of whether it turns out to be true.
 
More hatred being stirred up against TH, or re-newed hatred, whatever the case may be...none of it will make her more likely to decide suddenly to confess. If this makes Desiree feel even a little bit better, than she should go for it. But I hope she does not really think that Terri will answer the question "Where is Kyron?".
 
jwinchester said:
I'd like to note that I have nothing but sympathy for Desiree, and while I can't applaud her choices, I also can't condemn them, because I understand how desperate and miserable she must be. I believe it would be impossible for her to act otherwise given what she believes, regardless of whether it turns out to be true.
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Well, its truth the LE are telling Desiree that Terri probably did something bad to Kyron, so she has every right to cause this woman discomfort by posting the truth. Terri is not some duchess untouchable fancy pants holier than thou human being. I actually cant believe she has the never to think her explanation of just driving for an hour and a half should just be believed. She seems terribly arrogant, almost reminds me of Scott Peterson.
 
Young also said investigators presented her with new evidence that she said raises questions about Terri Horman's character.

"[The evidence] indicated that not only could Terri be capable of this, but it was clear that she hated Kyron, and blamed everything on Kyron -- and had expressed that on various occasions to friends and people that she knew," she said this morning.

This sounds to me that LE showed Desiree more emails, in regards to Terri's feelings about Kyron, in addition to the ones that she had already read.
 
It says exactly what I've thought about her from the beginning and I think gwenabob pretty much hit the nail on the head with her comments on the other thread - she's out looking for husband #4. Money must be getting pretty tight now. She has no children to worry about and no responsibilities. She has plenty of time to devote to the search for a new hubby and what better place to do that than a local bar? She has plenty of skills that she's ready to share with that certain somebody.

~jmo~
 
She reminds me a lot of Scott Peterson and Josh Powell. They are cut from the same deranged cookie cutter.
 
Yep, it's looking worse and worse for Terri. I almost had a smidgen of sympathy for her when I thought she was housebound and suffering. Apparently not. She is clearly moving on, Kyron be damned. All doubt is gone for me (and I only had a tiny bit left). I'm just done with her. As someone who's been following the Casey Anthony case closely, it really makes me livid that TH is acting just like her, except she had the smarts to stop talking once the heat was on her. I feel so bad for Desiree, knowing more than we do, and having to put up with the gall of this woman. She is far more restrained than I would be right now.

I really, really, REALLY would like to know how anyone can still think she's innocent after this news.
 
Is your opinon swayed or not by this disturbing news?
As for myself this news did not sway me in the least, I'm so far off that fence, I'm in a hole.
 
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