2011.02.19 - Desiree puts on the pressure in Roseburg

[gitana1]

Thanks, PDX. I can get the video but not the sound. Just saw an update saying Desiree told KOBI-TV that she believes Kyron is dead and that Terri is responsible!

http://www.kgw.com/news/kyron-horman/Kyron-Hormans-mother-puts-pressure-116540373.html

(Hope people who act on Desiree's urging, and ask Terri where is Kyron have legal counsel before they get into it with TH. Bad, bad idea.)

This is completely legal. I remember two local radio talk show hosts from So.Cal (John and Ken) who went up to Modesto, parked in front of scott peterson's house and yelled at him via a bullhorn: "Where's Laci, Scott? Where'd ya' put her." That's much worse than urging the public to ask TH to spill. And they did not get in legal trouble for doing it, although I think they were asked to move along, eventually.

As long as DY doesn't stalk TH or harass her with threatening phone calls, etc., she can do this. I think if she sticks to passing out flyers and lawn signs and asking people to ask TH what she knows, she'll be alright. The only real thing TH could do was try to sue her for libel. But we all know TH would never do that because that would necessitate a trial during which TH would have to prove that the accusations are false.

I feel LE really needs to step in and say the status of this investigation.I want to hear from LE if they think Terri did something or not.

With respect, I don't think LE needs to a darn thing except what they're doing. They don't owe the public a thing. I'm sure they keep DY informed but ultimately, their responsibility is to Kyron and if keeping quiet is their strategy, I will not second guess them. They have all the info, they have all the experts advising them. We don't.

 

[Krisy]

The Missing KH FB page says this as an update about 10 minutes ago.

Desiree Horman just told KATU News she absolutely does NOT believe Kyron is dead, despite what another agency is reporting. We'll have her actions today in Roseburg at 6.

Just bumping this up!!

 

[mmmagique]

Then I have to wonder if she was looking at them objectively. I know if I read anything anyone says about my kids I have a hard time being objective. I couldn't imagine reading something that their father's new wife might say.

IMO, if they say outright, " I hate Kyron, he ruined my marriage " I will be surprised. It may well be something more along the lines of 'Kaine and I have been arguing a lot lately and we have very little alone time anymore, and Kyron is more needy than ever. " Something more along those lines.

If she really said " I HATE that kid, he is ruining my life" then I think she would have been named a suspect and even been arrested already. JMO

On what grounds?

 

[cluciano63]

On what grounds?

I think the use of the emails Desiree has referenced would be as circumstantial evidence in the event that Kyron is found in a place near where Terri's phone pinged. On their own, they are not that meaningful. They could be used to bolster other bits of circumstantial evidence. I don't think there is a chance of obtaining a confession, so that's probably the way this case will have to go. But I think they need to find him, as location may be the biggest piece of evidence.

 

[scandi]

If you are having trouble with the player, try a different browser. I used to have to watch all of KGW's in IE but they play in firefox now.

Raw video posted here, now: http://www.kgw.com/video/featured-v...uts-pressure-on-his-stepmother-116542953.html

We ask that any time you see Terri, ask her, "Where's Kyron?". Kyron's story is not one of a child that wandered away from his school & was abducted by a stranger. It was somebody who was brought into our family. There's one person who knows where he is. Terri Horman, where is Kyron?



This is powerful.. I will keep transcribing, but you've got to hear her (it's also not totally raw, I hear at least one edit)



Totally OT, but there is the most beautiful sunset of the year right now, and Portland's West Hills are lit up the most incredible shades of red, pink and gold.
Red Sky at night, let it be for Kyron's delight.

Hi PDX, Maybe it was a sign from God that there is new and bright light which will help find Kyron, and am putting that together with the recent searches and Desiree and Tony's very overt cry to call out who they believe is responsible for Kyron's going missing.

I have never seen anything like that sunset ~ ever. It was equal to the dramatic call from the Young's:

The sunset was the background for a very wide, bright and shining yellow swath of solid light that went straight up from the setting sun to the sky above, right thru the bright pinks and golds of the sunset. It actually rose above the highest part of the sunset and was a truly amazing sight. I've looked and can't find a photo yet. xox

 

[scandi]

A Bold move from a desperate mother:

"Terri Horman, Where is Kyron?" CBS 11 pm News




PS: TH has a note on her front door requesting privacy. :waitasec:

 

[gitana1]

Still, if they believe he is dead, I think there has to be more than just the length of time passed to have made LE believe this and since they have not changed the case to a murder case, and still put his picture on trucks...it is very confusing indeed.

I don't know. They have a missing kid, stepmom who apparently disliked him, was the last person to see him alive as far as they can determine, no clue that Kyron may be elsewhere, no sightings, no trace of him anywhere, their unnamed suspect clams up and hires one of the best criminal defense attorneys around, their unnamed suspect admits to driving around back country roads with a sick toddler at the time Kyron went missing, and she fails to fight for the right to see her child, not seeing her baby as a result for almost eight months, all because she's afraid that if she testifies, she may incriminate herself. Oh, and the unnamed suspect's cell phone may have pinged in the somewhat remote area of Sauvie Island, shortly after Kyron went missing.

It seems like a lot to indicate Kyron is no longer alive. And we don't know the rest of the evidence they have, like phone records, etc, that could point them to another person involved in hiding a live child but don't. I think their searches for Kyron kind of show they believe him to be dead. Their silence on the subject and earlier statements that they had no evidence he was dead is just strategy, I guess.

Wow, she went and knocked on Terri's door too...
I watched the video on KATU and there is nothing about Kyron being dead on that...

Yeah, I got an e-mail alert about the story and in it, the quote attributed to DY doesn't directly state she feels he's dead although it infers as much:
In an interview with reporters, Young was asked if she believes Kyron is still alive. "In the beginning of the case, I did believe that," she said. "I hope every day that Kyron comes through the door and that we find him okay. I want that with everything.
"But with the information and evidence that I have been presented against Terri, I'm confident that she probably did something to him."
http://www.nwcn.com/home/?fId=116540373&fPath=/news/local&fDomain=10202

I have a lot of suspicions about TH. I think there is a good chance she is guilty.

HOWEVER, unlike Josh Powell, for example, I do not see any REAL SOLID evidence that she was the one who is responsible for Kyron's disappearance. Maybe because I have not seen the e-mails that Desiree has spoken of. Anyway, what is it that has convinced Desiree and her LE husband that Terri is guilty?

TH essentially giving up rights to the custody of her baby, including any contact with her, in a manner that legally is likely to preclude her from ever having primary custody, or even joint physical custody, at any time in the future, unless Kaine is someday proven unfit. I think that probably did it, along with e-mails written by TH, evidencing her disdain for Kyron and desire that he be out of her life. That's enough for me.

 

[Peliman]

Well if TH feels so wronged she can always sue Desiree and we can bring this into the courts if she wants to. Hey, that might be a good idea actually. I just feel Desiree is a big girl and has weighted her risk. I salute her for trying...

 

[katydid23]

On what grounds?

You're right. There would not be any still. Just wishful thinking on my part. :banghead:

 

[mmmagique]

You're right. There would not be any still. Just wishful thinking on my part. :banghead:

We need to find Desiree and Kaine's angel. Once he's found, the rest will progress from there.

My heart just breaks. For what these children must have gone through, and for their loved ones, who can only pray and wait.

Speaking of angels, please Lord, send your angels to look after these children, and to lead us to the truth, whatever that may be.

 

[Ladybulldog]

Desiree has endured the worst nightmare a mother should never have to go through with the greatest of fortitude. She is a very DRIVEN and DETERMINED MOTHER to get JUSTICE for her son Kyron! I have the greatest admiration for her.

 

[DreamyEye]

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bbm, I find this comment reallly interesting. I guess it's obvious that LE, the GJ and the DA don't think they have "overwhelming evidence" or Terri's butt would be in jail. So who is WE? Tony is LE, so if he is the WE that thinks that. but the other LE in this case don't think so, I gotta wonder what they know that Desi & Tony have NOT been briefed on. There's gotta be some kind of wrench in the works.

Well, I'm starting to wonder if it's something like this: they have plenty of evidence against Terri ... but the plot goes enough beyond her that they are holding out till they get enough evidence against another person or group.

I mean, LE convinced Kaine that Terri had tried MFH. LE showed Desiree at least one email that broke Desiree's heart and led her to believe that Terri really could have harmed Kyron. Now Desiree describes the evidence as overwhelming. Kaire and Desiree are not stupid people. I don't think they're just reading wild meanings into what LE has shared with them. There has to be something here we're not seeing ... something we're not privy to.

 

[jwinchester]

I don't know. They have a missing kid,

True, but doesn't point to anyone.

stepmom who apparently disliked him,

Evidence?

was the last person to see him alive as far as they can determine,

Possibly not counting a minor.

no clue that Kyron may be elsewhere, no sightings, no trace of him anywhere,

True, but doesn't point to anyone.

their unnamed suspect clams up and hires one of the best criminal defense attorneys around,

Sorry, if you were accused of a crime but were innocent, you would hire a bad attorney?

their unnamed suspect admits to driving around back country roads with a sick toddler at the time Kyron went missing,

It's not a very strong alibi, but do you have any evidence it a false one? Evidence, not "common sense" which happens to support your theory.

and she fails to fight for the right to see her child, not seeing her baby as a result for almost eight months,

As you probably know, she has established through the court that she wishes very much to see her child, but that the previously cited "best" defense attorney around has determined it is not feasible. To suggest she has "disdain" for her child is to suggest she and her lawyer have committed serious perjury in going very clearly on the record to elaborate otherwise.

all because she's afraid that if she testifies, she may incriminate herself.

No, because she has a right not to be railroaded into giving testimony that may be twisted and used against her regardless of her guilt. You would want the same right.

Oh, and the unnamed suspect's cell phone may have pinged in the somewhat remote area of Sauvie Island, shortly after Kyron went missing.

Or maybe they did not. Equally likely, yet you weight the one that favors your theory.

It seems like a lot to indicate Kyron is no longer alive.

It does at that, but it certainly doesn't point to a suspect. Lists like the above --which, I notice, have evolved greatly over the course of this case -- are a way of creating a sense of an argument being stronger than it is. It uses highly charged emotional words and implies a whole plethora of other, unlisted evidence which doesn't exist. Additionally, the mind perceives a list of arguments as stronger when taken together than is equal to the actual sum of the strength of each individual argument. In other words, three weak arguments put together appear like one strong one, but they are not.

 

[LMax]

GMA is talking about this right now!

 

[LMax]

Desiree is on

 

[LMax]

What made you change your mind? We had a briefing before the holidays. She hated Kyron and expressed it in writing.

 

[LMax]

We have knowledge she was handing out halloween candy to children. Going to bars.

 

[LMax]

To Terri: I will be here each and every day to remind you of what you've done...

 

[dog.gone.cute]

A "liar" ... does NOT like to be CONFRONTED with the TRUTH !

Eventually ... the TRUTH will move all the lies out of the way !

 

[jadejazzkayla]

Desiree is not stalking/harrassing Terri. She went to her house to try and speak with her and Terri hid, like the coward she is. There is no law that states Desiree cannot go down to Roseburg and post signs/banners about her missing Son. Nor is there any law that states a person cannot ask other people to ask someone a mere question. She's not encouraging a riot, she's not encouraging violence. She's asking people to ask a question. If people take it further and become violent or aggressive that is their issue and THEY NEED TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR OWN BEHAVIOR....RIGHT TERRI? You cannot control anyone's behavior but your own. Encouraging people to ask questions of Terri about Kyron is in fact harmless and perfectly legal.

So, Terri.....Where's Kyron?

ita. and if an individual had it in their head that dy was responsible for kyron's disappearance and went to her home knocked on her door and asked "where is kyron?" it would not be considered stalking/harrassing.

if this person went to dy's house to try and speak with her and dy hid. i wouldn't call dy a coward for doing so.

there is no law that this person couldn't post signs and banners depicting dy and kyron. and nor is there a law that states this person can not ask other people to ask dy the mere question of "what have you done with kyron?"

Encouraging people to ask questions of dy would be perfectly legal and harmless.