2011.03.02 Cindy Anthony's Testimony

[jennyb]

OK my memory's not all that bad after all. This was posted on Hinky by ellejay this evening. I don't understand why GA and CA both said Kelly didn't have anything to do with drafting the doc.

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---cindy OCSO interview----august 1/2008---

EE: Can I ask you while you're on that thought process... um because I know the
question keeps coming up about the father, the biological father maybe from
been right there at this uh and that was something get to toward the end but is
there any any conversation that would help us to identify that person so we can
answer those questions.

CA: Well Casey and George and I actually went to an attorney...

EE: Okay.

CA:And had urn um everything and you know put in urn legal will and all that stuff in
case something ever happened to Caylee...

YM: Is that Paul?

CA: Or Casey... I'm sorry?

YM: Paul?

CA: Paul didn't do it he sent us to one of his friends that does family um law...

YM: Who who is that?

CA: You know I I have it in the strong box I can pull it, I can't remember his name
but...

 

[Solace]

I just would like for everyone to think about this for one moment...



It is also extremely unfair to other witnesses. I watched George Anthony staring Yuri Melich down as he gave his testimony (day 2 I believe). I think he truely believed that his presense in that courtroom would be intimidating to Yuri Melich. Now, Yuri Melich is a seasoned detective... he isn't intimidated easily... but just look at that poor young deputy on the stand? He was a nervous wreck!!

Hi Lola,

I played his testimony on a big screen for some friends and they all agreed he was NOT intimidated and certainly not a nervous wreck. I don't know what you were watching, but the Yuri I saw held his own.

 

[Solace]

In all the media interviews George and Cindy have done, they've lied and no one has confronted them on their lies. Geoge and Cindy smugly believe they've pulled the wool over the eyes of the public.

When it comes to the trial, both George and Cindy will be asked direct questions and won't be allowed to elaborate with a long story that goes far afield of the question asked. If they answer the question differently than they've answered the same question in depositions or LE interviews, that will be brought to their attention. The state will show a transcript of what they had previously stated and will be pinning them down to a truthful answer.

I have confidence that after LDB or JA are through examining George and Cindy, their lies will be confronted and the truth will be known.

Exactly. And they should be there when appropriate. Their daughter is on trial and they have every right to be there.

 

[LiveLaughLuv]

Don't comment much, usually just read. This may be a dumb question but I'm curious if anyone knows. The people who are witnesses must stay out until they are called to testify. Are the witnesses segregated in Defense wits and Pros wits into rooms, or just on benches in the hall? Seems there would be some tenseness between witnesses and some intimidation tactics going on if they are all kept in one place. The only trial I have been involved in as a witness was a minor one and the witnesses just sat outside on a bench till called. I remember some tenseness and awkward moments. Just wondering if some of you have more insight than I do. TIA

Sorry if that question was off topic for this thread. But since we were talking about G&C staying out hope it was ok.

Welcome to WB. Fbinar...:seeya:

I'm no legal eagle but I would assume, they would separate witnessess, just for safekeeping...You're right, intimidation can be used, we've seen it play out with the defenses PI's allegations of tampering....and never apologize for asking a question....we might not know but we have some attorney's who would know and give a credible answer...JMHO

Justice for Caylee

 

[Solace]

I just would like for everyone to think about this for one moment...


Do you think that they could handle themselves as well as Yuri Melich on that stand as George's face gets red, Cindy throws her arms up in the air, both furiously shaking their heads?.

Lola,

I have never seen Cindy throw her arms up in the air and I have not seen them furiously shaking their heads. They do grimace and shake their heads no, but in this last hearing, Cindy stared at the floor - she also stayed when the closing arguments were played out and LDB left nothing out.

As far as the witnesses being intimidated, they do not have to look at George or Cindy and they are not under ten years old. This is not Russia or Nazi Germany, it is the USA and they have every right to be there.

But I think it is off topic.

 

[Aedrys]

Hi Lola,

I played his testimony on a big screen for some friends and they all agreed he was NOT intimidated and certainly not a nervous wreck. I don't know what you were watching, but the Yuri I saw held his own.

I think she was referring to the young deputy, I can't remember his name, but the one who was actually scared and nervous on the stand. Yuri definitely was not, but this other deputy really was. So we're talking about two different people here.

 

[Aedrys]

Exactly. And they should be there when appropriate. Their daughter is on trial and they have every right to be there.

I think so too, in that they should be there to face the truth. I just don't want them influencing other Anthonys testimony. I noticed George just about went off his rocker without Cindy there to stare him down into submission. That is what I want, the true Anthonys in court, not Anthonys afraid of saying the wrong thing in front other Anthonys. I don't think anyone else will be intimidated by them, but at the very least, they should not be allowed in court when any other Anthony is testifying, and that includes anyone in their family besides Lee, Cindy, and George too. They are not directing this trial. They will not control it in any way nor will they be allowed to have it come out the way they want to, and this needs to be drilled into their heads by not allowing them to influence other family members on the stand.

That's the entire problem with the Anthonys. They are not going to sit there and just hear the truth and be silently supportive of their daughter like countless other parents are in other cases. They are going to continue to try and interfere as much as possible so they don't have to face the truth. I don't think that should be allowed to happen. It's not right morally, and it's in total indifference to justice for Caylee.

 

[Solace]

I think she was referring to the young deputy, I can't remember his name, but the one who was actually scared and nervous on the stand. Yuri definitely was not, but this other deputy really was. So we're talking about two different people here.

Oh, thanks for the clarification Aedrys.

Still doesn't change the fact that the Anthonys have every right to be in that courtroom and I, for one, want them there.

 

[LambChop]

Lola,

I have never seen Cindy throw her arms up in the air and I have not seen them furiously shaking their heads. They do grimace and shake their heads no, but in this last hearing, Cindy stared at the floor - she also stayed when the closing arguments were played out and LDB left nothing out.

As far as the witnesses being intimidated, they do not have to look at George or Cindy and they are not under ten years old. This is not Russia or Nazi Germany, it is the USA and they have every right to be there.

But I think it is off topic.

Maybe you missed it but HHJP admonished them more than once in court. One time was while they were seated in the gallery. It is HHJP's decision, it's his courtroom. I just remember seeing CA throw her hands up to her face in horror when JB was describing the smell of death in the trunk of KC's car for Yuri. George also made comments and was shaking his head. So you are correct they have their rights but if they do not follow the court rules just like everyone else they will be outted. In the end, it's not CA & GA's courtroom, not KC's (as CM would have us believe), the courtroom while in session belongs to HHJP and he gets to decide who goes and who stays. :seeya: jmo

 

[pip]

Anyone remember those pics of Cindy and P Kelly gazing into each other's eyes like something right off a cheesy Harlequin novel cover? This could be a great time to take another look. Just sayin'.

I wonder what the neighbors description is of the man CA was seeing while George was on hiatus? And the plot potentially takes another twist.. LOL.

 

[Solace]

Maybe you missed it but HHJP admonished them more than once in court. One time was while they were seated in the gallery. It is HHJP's decision, it's his courtroom. I just remember seeing CA throw her hands up to her face in horror when JB was describing the smell of death in the trunk of KC's car for Yuri. George also made comments and was shaking his head. So you are correct they have their rights but if they do not follow the court rules just like everyone else they will be outted. In the end, it's not CA & GA's courtroom, not KC's (as CM would have us believe), the courtroom while in session belongs to HHJP and he gets to decide who goes and who stays. :seeya: jmo

He admonished them while they were seated in the gallery? I miss all the good stuff. That is just what I want to see. Is it the second or first day Yuri is on the stand. I have to check it out.

 

[Aedrys]

He admonished them while they were seated in the gallery?

He did say at one point that there were to be no facial expressions or gestures in the gallery. He didn't specifically bring up George or Cindy, but who else could he have possibly been talking about? They are the only ones in the gallery acting out of control at every turn.

And I am entitled to my opinion, as we all are. All opinions are respected at WS even if we don't agree with each other.

 

[Solace]

He did say at one point that there were to be no facial expressions or gestures in the gallery. He didn't specifically bring up George or Cindy, but who else could he have possibly been talking about? They are the only ones in the gallery acting out of control at every turn.

And I am entitled to my opinion, as we all are. All opinions are respected at WS even if we don't agree with each other.

Nobody said you were not entitled to your opinion, as am I.

Do you know whether it was the first or second day of Yuri's testimonY?

 

[LambChop]

He admonished them while they were seated in the gallery?

He certainly did. Told them no comments, no reacting to testimony, etc. Cameras went right to them. Not sure which day it was and I'm not sure he mentioned the gum chewing. Did not stop them as they continued to show their reactions but the camera was not on them when HHJP brought it up in court. The judge did say it will be done on a hearing by hearing basis up until the trial. How they behave next week will probably have a lot to do with his decision whether to keep them out or let them sit through the whole trial.

Because of their behavior on the stand when testifying and making such inappropriate comments, CA calling Linda by her first name when the judge's orders were made early on not refer to the attorneys by their first name, it's Ms. Burdsick or Mr. Baez. Then GA with his "Amber Alert" very disrespectful to an officer of the court. GA knows better so there is no excuse. They are clearly hostile and disruptive.

That being said and watching them sometimes is amazing. It does them no good to be in full public view while they have to endure what will be revealed to them at trial. If they were accepting that KC was responsible for whatever happened to their granddaughter they would have better control over their emotions. But they are not and are a hotbed of emotions that are about to explode and that has no place in the courtroom. Not good for KC, not fair to either defense or SA while they are trying to focus on their presentations. They just will not shut up, stop chewing their gum, or stop showing facial emotions, shaking their heads, saying "I did not say that". This is why the judge called them out. He will not tolerate it.

So they right now are under the microscope that GA so hates to be under. Next week are the Frye hearings and we shall see how they react. They are making their own bed and will be judged on their actions. jmo

 

[Solace]

He certainly did. Told them no comments, no reacting to testimony, etc. Cameras went right to them. Not sure which day it was and I'm not sure he mentioned the gum chewing. Did not stop them as they continued to show their reactions but the camera was not on them when HHJP brought it up in court. The judge did say it will be done on a hearing by hearing basis up until the trial. How they behave next week will probably have a lot to do with his decision whether to keep them out or let them sit through the whole trial.

Because of their behavior on the stand when testifying and making such inappropriate comments, CA calling Linda by her first name when the judge's orders were made early on not refer to the attorneys by their first name, it's Ms. Burdsick or Mr. Baez. Then GA with his "Amber Alert" very disrespectful to an officer of the court. GA knows better so there is no excuse. They are clearly hostile and disruptive.

That being said and watching them sometimes is amazing. It does them no good to be in full public view while they have to endure what will be revealed to them at trial. If they were accepting that KC was responsible for whatever happened to their granddaughter they would have better control over their emotions. But they are not and are a hotbed of emotions that are about to explode and that has no place in the courtroom. Not good for KC, not fair to either defense or SA while they are trying to focus on their presentations. They just will not shut up, stop chewing their gum, or stop showing facial emotions, shaking their heads, saying "I did not say that". This is why the judge called them out. He will not tolerate it.

So they right now are under the microscope that GA so hates to be under. Next week are the Frye hearings and we shall see how they react. They are making their own bed and will be judged on their actions. jmo

Thanks LambChop. Very helpful. Can't wait for the Frye's either or the whole trial for that matter. Thanks again.

 

[Amster]

Another bad habit that C and G need to break.....slamming out of the courtroom when they feel like it.

I believe the judge was also talking to PI Lyons when he made the admonishment about making faces and other disagreeable acts.

 

[Intermezzo]

Obviously when CA and GA went to do the papers for them to get custody of Caylee if something happened to KC they were faced with the dilemma of having the biological father sign the papers. Papers were never filed, ironically but the A's claim the father signed them but then died in an accident before they could file...(oopps, there goes that hinkey meter again).

ETD: Sorry I reread that article in the news thread and the A's were trying to get the father to sign over his parental rights to KC. He supposedly signed and then died in an accident. Still sounds hinky to me.

bbm

That's because IMO ICA gave them an Obit of a deceased young man, then they claim custody or guardianship papers were supposedly signed by the bio dad.. IF that is true that papers were signed ...IMO it was Casey who forged the siggy.

:twocents:

 

[Intermezzo]

I was upset when I read that article because I thought I remembered that P Kelly had said he had nothing on this custody business. So I went searching and the best I can come up with right now is this: Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community - View Single Post - New Docs Part 2

Does anyone else remember this? I will see if I can find more. . .

Yes I remember that as well...I remember this lawyer saying they met to discuss the matter but that the A's never followed up or something along those lines...

 

[Solace]

Another bad habit that C and G need to break.....slamming out of the courtroom when they feel like it.

I believe the judge was also talking to PI Lyons when he made the admonishment about making faces and other disagreeable acts.

Amster do you happen to know when this was. I can't find it during Yuri's testimony. Was it possibly when he admonishes the lawyers. There is a specific video on that?

 

[Aedrys]

Amster do you happen to know when this was. I can't find it during Yuri's testimony. Was it possibly when he admonishes the lawyers. There is a specific video on that?

I don't know the exact point as I couldn't watch the hearing, but I know it's in the hearing threads. It was specifically mentioned in those threads. You might be able to find it there.