2011.03.02 Cindy Anthony's Testimony

[LambChop]

Amster do you happen to know when this was. I can't find it during Yuri's testimony. Was it possibly when he admonishes the lawyers. There is a specific video on that?

Oh, I think the slamming out of the courtroom was when JA was describing how Caylee may have died at a hearing last year. I could be wrong but I remember that. First CA went flying out and GA was right behind her. I don't think they have done it since and maybe their attorneys had a little chat with them about it afterwards. If that bothered them that much they had to jump up and leave the courtroom what will happen during opening statements. JA will not be kind just because the A's are in the gallery. jmo

 

[LambChop]

Yes I remember that as well...I remember this lawyer saying they met to discuss the matter but that the A's never followed up or something along those lines...

The A's wanted to make sure they were in line for custody should something happen to KC. They were advised that the bio dad needed to sign away his rights. My guess is they never intended to tell the real father so when someone who KC knew died it was a perfect storm for them. Show their attorney the death notice, say he had signed the papers but now we don't need them because the father is deceased. My guess is the paperwork was never noterized and this is why nothing was ever done.

Maybe the A's thought the death notice was enough to get the paperwork filed in court. Much more complicated than they had anticipated so they abandoned the project and put the dad is deceased story out there.

Eric, however, was much younger than KC, was he not? Wasn't he about 15 or 16 in 2004? Eric Baker was born March 8, 1989, died in May of 2007 and was still a high school student. So KC is saying she had a relationship with a 15 year old????

 

[pip]

The A's wanted to make sure they were in line for custody should something happen to KC. They were advised that the bio dad needed to sign away his rights. My guess is they never intended to tell the real father so when someone who KC knew died it was a perfect storm for them. Show their attorney the death notice, say he had signed the papers but now we don't need them because the father is deceased. My guess is the paperwork was never noterized and this is why nothing was ever done.

Maybe the A's thought the death notice was enough to get the paperwork filed in court. Much more complicated than they had anticipated so they abandoned the project and put the dad is deceased story out there.

Eric, however, was much younger than KC, was he not? Wasn't he about 15 or 16 in 2004? Eric Baker was born March 8, 1989, died in May of 2007 and was still a high school student. So KC is saying she had a relationship with a 15 year old????

I 100% agree with you. No doubts here that the father is alive and well and they all know who he is.

 

[krisskross]

I thought there was another Eric bandied around her facebook or myspace accounts. :waitasec:

RIP Eric James Baker
12/8/83-8/11/07

That would make him approaching his 22nd birthday when Caylee was born.

I doubt we will ever know who Caylee's bio father is. Given how this girl lies, could just as easily imo be some transient guy or a tourist. This guy either had no knowledge he had fathered a child or he just didn't want to know.

Point is............. Caylee never knew him.

 

[LambChop]

I thought there was another Eric bandied around her facebook or myspace accounts. :waitasec:

RIP Eric James Baker
12/8/83-8/11/07

That would make him approaching his 22nd birthday when Caylee was born.

I doubt we will ever know who Caylee's bio father is. Given how this girl lies, could just as easily imo be some transient guy or a tourist. This guy either had no knowledge he had fathered a child or he just didn't want to know.

Point is............. Caylee never knew him.

Wait, is he dead, too????

 

[Mendara]

I think KC never told the A's the truth abou the dad. they bugged her so much that she found some guy's obit and showed it to them and like always they pretended they believed her.

Sigh.

 

[pip]

Wait, is he dead, too????

Yep. Just one of three mentioned. ;( Too bad all of his family moved 'somewhere in Italy' so DCF/LE can't follow up, huh?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8412112/Casey-Anthony-Eric-Baker-death-certificate

 

[Intermezzo]

The A's wanted to make sure they were in line for custody should something happen to KC. They were advised that the bio dad needed to sign away his rights. My guess is they never intended to tell the real father so when someone who KC knew died it was a perfect storm for them. Show their attorney the death notice, say he had signed the papers but now we don't need them because the father is deceased. My guess is the paperwork was never noterized and this is why nothing was ever done.

Maybe the A's thought the death notice was enough to get the paperwork filed in court. Much more complicated than they had anticipated so they abandoned the project and put the dad is deceased story out there.

Eric, however, was much younger than KC, was he not? Wasn't he about 15 or 16 in 2004? Eric Baker was born March 8, 1989, died in May of 2007 and was still a high school student. So KC is saying she had a relationship with a 15 year old????

bbm
Yes, I agree
I just finished reading Cindy's Depo with the Prosecutors and she says the 3 of them (Cindy,George and Casey) decided they did not want anyone else to have Caylee.. something along those terms..that Casey and he mutually decided he would not be involved....and he was never part of Caylee's life...etc....

 

[Intermezzo]

I think KC never told the A's the truth abou the dad. they bugged her so much that she found some guy's obit and showed it to them and like always they pretended they believed her.

Sigh.

I agree.

 

[Intermezzo]

Yep. Just one of three mentioned. ;( Too bad all of his family moved 'somewhere in Italy' so DCF/LE can't follow up, huh?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8412112/Casey-Anthony-Eric-Baker-death-certificate

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/8412112/Casey-Anthony-Eric-Baker-death-certificate
LE went in search of Caylee's Bio dad. Using the bits and pieces of information they were getting...it was a wild goose chase..IMO

LE found an Eric F Baker who died in a car accident in Kentucky, was of mixed race, non-hispanic and 3 years younger than Casey..

Did Casey give Eric a middle name...was it James? Casey likes to give middle names to her made up people.

 

[jennyb]

The A's wanted to make sure they were in line for custody should something happen to KC. They were advised that the bio dad needed to sign away his rights. My guess is they never intended to tell the real father so when someone who KC knew died it was a perfect storm for them. Show their attorney the death notice, say he had signed the papers but now we don't need them because the father is deceased. My guess is the paperwork was never noterized and this is why nothing was ever done.

Maybe the A's thought the death notice was enough to get the paperwork filed in court. Much more complicated than they had anticipated so they abandoned the project and put the dad is deceased story out there.

Eric, however, was much younger than KC, was he not? Wasn't he about 15 or 16 in 2004? Eric Baker was born March 8, 1989, died in May of 2007 and was still a high school student. So KC is saying she had a relationship with a 15 year old????

I find it very odd that CA said she had an attorney draw up papers, that it was not Mr. Kelly, that it was someone he referred her to but she can't remember his name and would look in her lock-box.

Why in the world would she not readily give Mr. Kelly's name? And why would GA also say Mr. Kelly only helped him with his WC claim? Mr. Kelly himself said he was the one to draw up the papers. He flat out said it. And why not? What's the big deal over the attorney name? Makes sense, he was a friend of the family and also an attorney so he did them a favor.

But why would GA and CA deny Mr. Kelly's role when he himself acknowledges it without concern?

I'm just not seeing the logic or reasoning for this particular mis-truth. I've really tried. Anyone have a guess?

 

[Solace]

I find it very odd that CA said she had an attorney draw up papers, that it was not Mr. Kelly, that it was someone he referred her to but she can't remember his name and would look in her lock-box.

Why in the world would she not readily give Mr. Kelly's name? And why would GA also say Mr. Kelly only helped him with his WC claim? Mr. Kelly himself said he was the one to draw up the papers. He flat out said it. And why not? What's the big deal over the attorney name? Makes sense, he was a friend of the family and also an attorney so he did them a favor.

But why would GA and CA deny Mr. Kelly's role when he himself acknowledges it without concern?

I'm just not seeing the logic or reasoning for this particular mis-truth. I've really tried. Anyone have a guess?

bECAUSE THEY LIE 24 HOURS A DAY.:seeya:

 

[jennyb]

bECAUSE THEY LIE 24 HOURS A DAY.:seeya:

LOL! I know! I know!

But whenever they lie it's because they're trying to cover something up. Even if it's laughable and transparent, at least you can see where they're TRYING to go.

This one, this denial of Kelly as the attorney who drew up the docs, mystifies me. What were they trying to gain?

There is always a motive when someone lies. What's their motive here? They said they went to an attorney. So they're not covering that fact up. They just wouldn't say the attorney's name. CA even went to far as to say it was Mr. Kelly who referred her to another. So she didn't hesitate to bring him up to some extent.

What's the point???? I honestly don't get this one

 

[ClockWatcher]

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of document PK would have drafted??? In order for this "father" to relinquish his parental rights, he first has to be recognized as the "father."

In Florida, one establishes paternity by marriage to the mother, an Acknowledgment Form signed in the hospital or later, the Form of Acknowledgment that is witnessed by two or notarized and sent to the Bureau of Vital Statistics. Those three things all result with the "father's" name on the birth certificate.

Or you go through the Dept. of Revenue and they can provide the DNA test that proves paternity. They then will help the named father work out custody, visitation and support.

Or the private route. Do your own DNA testing, hire an attorney and petition for paternity and have the fathers name added to the birth certificate.

There is no "father" named on Caylee's birth certificate.

You can't terminate paternal rights through the court system with out first establishing paternity.

If the Anthony's were seeking an agreement outside a judges order or being named on the birth certificate, they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on later if the father came forward.

So, whatever they were up too, it was no good. If it was a serious attempt, they would have sought out a family law attorney and NOT a workman's comp. attorney. You just don't draft a document to have some guy relinquish his parental rights. Unless there were some talk of adoption, but even then if you don't go through the court system, it's PROBABLY illegal.

So, Mr. PK is either a big old dumb bunny and didn't have a clue as to what he was trying to accomplish or he's lying. And then we're right back to where we started... what was the point of the Anthony cover-up?

Does that help?

 

[LambChop]

My guess is he did not draft the document as I believe he would have to get a form from the court or print one from online. I believe it is up to the dad if he wants a DNA test done otherwise KC can say this person is the dad and he has signed away his parental rights. Now the court may require the father be there prior to filing so he can be asked officially if he is sure he wants to do this, otherwise anyone could take a signed document to the court.

It's a good question though. And what if parents talk their daughter into getting the father to sign and later another person steps forward and declares they are the real dad and has a DNA test done does that agreement now become void? I would think so.

 

[jennyb]

I'm still trying to figure out what kind of document PK would have drafted??? In order for this "father" to relinquish his parental rights, he first has to be recognized as the "father."

In Florida, one establishes paternity by marriage to the mother, an Acknowledgment Form signed in the hospital or later, the Form of Acknowledgment that is witnessed by two or notarized and sent to the Bureau of Vital Statistics. Those three things all result with the "father's" name on the birth certificate.

Or you go through the Dept. of Revenue and they can provide the DNA test that proves paternity. They then will help the named father work out custody, visitation and support.

Or the private route. Do your own DNA testing, hire an attorney and petition for paternity and have the fathers name added to the birth certificate.

There is no "father" named on Caylee's birth certificate.

You can't terminate paternal rights through the court system with out first establishing paternity.

If the Anthony's were seeking an agreement outside a judges order or being named on the birth certificate, they wouldn't have had a leg to stand on later if the father came forward.

So, whatever they were up too, it was no good. If it was a serious attempt, they would have sought out a family law attorney and NOT a workman's comp. attorney. You just don't draft a document to have some guy relinquish his parental rights. Unless there were some talk of adoption, but even then if you don't go through the court system, it's PROBABLY illegal.

So, Mr. PK is either a big old dumb bunny and didn't have a clue as to what he was trying to accomplish or he's lying. And then we're right back to where we started... what was the point of the Anthony cover-up?

Does that help?

OK I'll just say what's on my mind here. I don't think anyone drafted anything. At the most maybe there was a discussion, and I say MAYBE. For whatever reason the lie was told by the A's (specifically CA) IMO, in her depo and maybe during other LE interviews, don't know. I can't hazard a guess why. And then everyone else fell in line to help her out with this little mis-truth.

I don't care if you're an attorney specializing in dog licenses, you know enough about the law in general to know there's no point in drafting papers that have no legal standing. No point in even drafting them to placate someone (which I don't think happened either).

I don't know why they're all saying different things about these so-called docs but IN MY OPINION it never happened.

It's no big deal in the scheme of things (I guess) and has nothing to do with Casey terminating Caylee, but it's just another one of those endless stream of tall tales that make my head spin.

I never believed it in the first place, but forgot about it a long time ago. But then with the info released yesterday and the statements from Mr. Kelly compared with the statements of the A's ... well nothing makes sense.

 

[logicalgirl]

I find it very odd that CA said she had an attorney draw up papers, that it was not Mr. Kelly, that it was someone he referred her to but she can't remember his name and would look in her lock-box.

Why in the world would she not readily give Mr. Kelly's name? And why would GA also say Mr. Kelly only helped him with his WC claim? Mr. Kelly himself said he was the one to draw up the papers. He flat out said it. And why not? What's the big deal over the attorney name? Makes sense, he was a friend of the family and also an attorney so he did them a favor.

But why would GA and CA deny Mr. Kelly's role when he himself acknowledges it without concern?

I'm just not seeing the logic or reasoning for this particular mis-truth. I've really tried. Anyone have a guess?

Ducking and weaving so no one would go after Paul Kelly for the father's name which they suspected was not legit anyhow? Have you not noticed Cindy goes sideways with a lie when ever someone gets too close to something she fears?

 

[jennyb]

Wouldn't you keep a record in your files if you were an attorney drafting a document for a client? Even if it was a favor for a friend? It wasn't all that long ago in the scheme of things. I'd think an attorney would keep a record for at least 10 years.

Oh well. Just put it in the pile of "believe it or not".

 

[logicalgirl]

bbm
Yes, I agree
I just finished reading Cindy's Depo with the Prosecutors and she says the 3 of them (Cindy,George and Casey) decided they did not want anyone else to have Caylee.. something along those terms..that Casey and he mutually decided he would not be involved....and he was never part of Caylee's life...etc....

Huh - as if that's all it takes to waive parental rights - an agreement! Yeah - umhmm...Tell that one to the nearest judge.

 

[jennyb]

Ducking and weaving so no one would go after Paul Kelly for the father's name which they suspected was not legit anyhow?

Hmmm. Interesting.

So you think there were papers but they wanted the bio-dad's name kept secret. Kinda works for me. Because I think the A's do know who the father is.

But if they know who he is and he's alive they never would've gotten away with filing anything like this with the court. I don't see how PK could have approved of such a thing.

Back to being confuzzled.

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